Kids quad HELP
Discussion
novhead said:
Thanks so much for your time typing this reply. I am concerned about safety. No, the budget doesn't necessarily include kit. he has a helmet (a proper one) and I have already told him he needs to wear the right gear, which we will get him.
Not mechanically minded at all, BUT my husband is in the military and we have assistance from the mechanics on camp, so that's a BIT of a help! Reality is he will mainly ride on camp (the airfield) -its HUGE.
its still MOD land - with associated legal and insurance obligations not to mention the issue that if he, a boy, did end up injured on MOD land.Not mechanically minded at all, BUT my husband is in the military and we have assistance from the mechanics on camp, so that's a BIT of a help! Reality is he will mainly ride on camp (the airfield) -its HUGE.
Also - who gave permission and if that permission is valid or even well thought out career wise if an injury to a boy does occur on the airfield? (as opposed to your private two acres which is where I would limit it to.)
Edited by superlightr on Wednesday 4th May 12:50
Edited by superlightr on Wednesday 4th May 16:10
novhead said:
Do I seem happy to get a quad? I don't think you have read the thread in that case.
I'm not 'happy' to get a quad OR a bike, but I wanted advice from people more in the know than myself as to the pros and cons and makes / models of machines.
I'd never, ever start anyone off on a quad, they are too skittish. I'd strongly consider something with lower centre of gravity like the raised go-kart + knobbly tyres. I've ridden bikes, go-karts and quads and even raced go-karts at a local level some years ago. Quads need some solid experience of vehicle behaviour first.I'm not 'happy' to get a quad OR a bike, but I wanted advice from people more in the know than myself as to the pros and cons and makes / models of machines.
Origin Unknown said:
OP, I grew up racing schoolboy motocross from the age of around 7/8 and retiring at the grand old age of 16. My younger sister started racing at 5. We also had a quad bike that was generally used as a tool rather than for fun. We did however, take it with us to practice tracks at times for various duties.
Firstly, as others have said, do not get your boy started on a quad. They may feel safer than a bike but believe me, they go over easy. At any speed. And they weigh significantly more than a bike. Your son will get caught under it at least once, falling off is inevitable. Depending on the camber when they come off, there is a possibility it will roll and your boy will be under it.
Some might accuse me over being overly risk adverse but when you've ridden them safely, have a good reading of the terrain and how that will affect the machine, and still have one go over you, you realise how dangerous they are. Stick with mx bikes.
Secondly, your budget is nowhere near what you need for your son to safely ride. I'm, perhaps incorrectly, assuming your budget will include all kit. That budget might just stretch to the kit alone. You must get him correctly fitting MX boots, not wellies, not anything else. New, correctly fitting helmet. Goggles. Correct gloves, pants and shirt. Body armour is a must for a young lad. Get proper guidance from a MX shop.
Next, forget the quad, if he wants to ride off road, the bike. How mechanically minded are you? You'll need to ensure that bike is absolutely 100% maintained and safe. You need to ensure all guards are in place, the chain in the right tension, throttle cable is in great condition, brakes, the list goes on and on. Back when I raced schoolboy MX, there was no requirement for chain guards until too many lads and lasses lost fingers. Something as benign looking as a chain guard can have life changing consequences.
As for an actual bike, I would suggest something like a Yamaha PW50/80 as a starter bike. There are various alternatives and if you are serious, respond and I'll make some suggestions.
Finally, this land you have. I hate to say this but nuisance riding is killing the sport I love. I now ride enduro (similar to MX bikes but with lights and various other changes) and the club I ride for is finding it increasingly difficult to find land for us to race on. Bottom line, people don't want their days interrupted with the sound of 2 strokes and 4 strokes screaming through the countryside. I race with an organised and well run private club on private land around the country with the landowner's permission and yet still it's a never-ending battle. I could spend the rest of my life arguing against the entitled attitude of those complaining and campaigning to have our tracks closed. Tracks that have been established and in use long before they were born. But it's futile.
All I ask is that whatever land you use, please consider your neighbours as the image of men and kids riding MX/Enduro/Trails bikes is already, and will forever be associated with chavvy scum riding stolen bikes and the scourge of society. Don't give these people more excuses.
Anyway, your call, if you want advice, happy to PM you my mobile number for a chat.
This is a really good post.Firstly, as others have said, do not get your boy started on a quad. They may feel safer than a bike but believe me, they go over easy. At any speed. And they weigh significantly more than a bike. Your son will get caught under it at least once, falling off is inevitable. Depending on the camber when they come off, there is a possibility it will roll and your boy will be under it.
Some might accuse me over being overly risk adverse but when you've ridden them safely, have a good reading of the terrain and how that will affect the machine, and still have one go over you, you realise how dangerous they are. Stick with mx bikes.
Secondly, your budget is nowhere near what you need for your son to safely ride. I'm, perhaps incorrectly, assuming your budget will include all kit. That budget might just stretch to the kit alone. You must get him correctly fitting MX boots, not wellies, not anything else. New, correctly fitting helmet. Goggles. Correct gloves, pants and shirt. Body armour is a must for a young lad. Get proper guidance from a MX shop.
Next, forget the quad, if he wants to ride off road, the bike. How mechanically minded are you? You'll need to ensure that bike is absolutely 100% maintained and safe. You need to ensure all guards are in place, the chain in the right tension, throttle cable is in great condition, brakes, the list goes on and on. Back when I raced schoolboy MX, there was no requirement for chain guards until too many lads and lasses lost fingers. Something as benign looking as a chain guard can have life changing consequences.
As for an actual bike, I would suggest something like a Yamaha PW50/80 as a starter bike. There are various alternatives and if you are serious, respond and I'll make some suggestions.
Finally, this land you have. I hate to say this but nuisance riding is killing the sport I love. I now ride enduro (similar to MX bikes but with lights and various other changes) and the club I ride for is finding it increasingly difficult to find land for us to race on. Bottom line, people don't want their days interrupted with the sound of 2 strokes and 4 strokes screaming through the countryside. I race with an organised and well run private club on private land around the country with the landowner's permission and yet still it's a never-ending battle. I could spend the rest of my life arguing against the entitled attitude of those complaining and campaigning to have our tracks closed. Tracks that have been established and in use long before they were born. But it's futile.
All I ask is that whatever land you use, please consider your neighbours as the image of men and kids riding MX/Enduro/Trails bikes is already, and will forever be associated with chavvy scum riding stolen bikes and the scourge of society. Don't give these people more excuses.
Anyway, your call, if you want advice, happy to PM you my mobile number for a chat.
I started off when I was five years old, back in the mid 1970s, on a little Malaguti like this...
I was lucky because my Grandad had a farm, so there was plenty of space to ride. My parents bought me a little Kangol open faced helmet, but it was soon discarded because it made your head sweat.
I always dressed for the ride and not the crash. Jeans, trainers and a tee shirt.
I fell off plenty of times, but my worst injury was a burned leg when the bike landed on top of me.
Dad spent a lot of time straightening forks, changing sprockets and chains, or replacing broken levers. I sat there passing him the spanners and watching how it was done.
I inevitably moved on to bigger and more powerful bikes and I'm still riding at the ripe old age of 47.
As a middle aged bloke, I look back with a wry smile at the casual attitudes to safety, but I had a huge amount of fun and learned so much about maintaining bikes and cars.
Anyway, enough sentimental crap.
What you need to know is this:
1. Forget the quad. They are dangerous. Your son will get hurt.
2. If it has to be four wheeled, then an off road buggy is miles better.
3. The thing to get is a small Japanese off road bike. Preferably a four stroke, as it will be quieter.
4. Get the right protective kit.
5. Have regard for other people. I love bikes, but get pissed off with the local chavs making a din.
6. Make sure you have a tame mechanic on hand. If it is used properly, it will need plenty of fixing.
7. Make sure you have somewhere secure to keep it. These things are always being nicked.
8. Finally, and in case I haven't made this clear, forget the quad. They are crap.
I would strongly encourage your lad's interest. I regret not getting involved in organised motorsport when I was a kid. But I am glad I started riding so young. I learned a lot, got to spend loads of time with my Dad and became confident with spanners. Was one of the best things I ever did.
Go on then I'll bite.
Mini Ex got a quad for xmas some ten years ago. Seemed to love it. Only rolled it once and that was because he leaned out on a corner whilst power sliding it.
Little Ex came along and rode it many times. All great fun. He took to it like a fish in water.
We had access to lots of free land, big hills, open fields.
The large front gravel drive way was ace for use to race to around. Adults had a lot of fun on it too.
Nobody died.
It was Chinese made (against all recommendations I was given here).
It broke a lot.
Finally it got stolen by the
s.
Little Ex still wants another one.
Mini Ex got a quad for xmas some ten years ago. Seemed to love it. Only rolled it once and that was because he leaned out on a corner whilst power sliding it.
Little Ex came along and rode it many times. All great fun. He took to it like a fish in water.
We had access to lots of free land, big hills, open fields.
The large front gravel drive way was ace for use to race to around. Adults had a lot of fun on it too.
Nobody died.
It was Chinese made (against all recommendations I was given here).
It broke a lot.
Finally it got stolen by the
s.Little Ex still wants another one.
I suspect £600 isn't enough to do the job properly. For the same amount we bought our daughter one of these:
http://pegperegousa.com/toys/polaris-ranger-rzr-re...
...and that's far from being as fast as quad/MX bike/buggy – but she is only 4.
Hopefully it doesn't need saying again but avoid a quad. My wife escaped a potentially serious accident a few years ago when the one she was riding started to tramline in dried mud tracks, straight towards the edge of a 30ft drop. She didn't have the physical strength to get the thing back on course, and she jumped off seconds before it went tumbling over the side. It's one of the few things I've witnessed that when I think back, it makes my blood run cold. She was this close to ending up in hospital or a mortuary.
As a farm tool, great. As a toy... not so much. And they are a bit council unless ridden by a ruddy-faced farm-worker.
http://pegperegousa.com/toys/polaris-ranger-rzr-re...
...and that's far from being as fast as quad/MX bike/buggy – but she is only 4.
Hopefully it doesn't need saying again but avoid a quad. My wife escaped a potentially serious accident a few years ago when the one she was riding started to tramline in dried mud tracks, straight towards the edge of a 30ft drop. She didn't have the physical strength to get the thing back on course, and she jumped off seconds before it went tumbling over the side. It's one of the few things I've witnessed that when I think back, it makes my blood run cold. She was this close to ending up in hospital or a mortuary.
As a farm tool, great. As a toy... not so much. And they are a bit council unless ridden by a ruddy-faced farm-worker.
DrSteveBrule said:
Hopefully it doesn't need saying again but avoid a quad. My wife escaped a potentially serious accident a few years ago when the one she was riding started to tramline in dried mud tracks, straight towards the edge of a 30ft drop. She didn't have the physical strength to get the thing back on course, and she jumped off seconds before it went tumbling over the side. It's one of the few things I've witnessed that when I think back, it makes my blood run cold. She was this close to ending up in hospital or a mortuary.
W.T.F? What was she doing near a 30ft drop? Rolling a silage clamp? Did the brakes not work? Could she not stop before she jumped off?E.T.A
What made the tram lines towards the 30ft drop? How did they get on?
novhead said:
Troubleatmill said:
And driving it around some poor sods field without their permission will end badly.
I have seen broken glass specifically positioned (sorry I mean accidentally dropped) by some fed up landowners.
We have two acres ourselves and I said an AIRfield, not a field. I have seen broken glass specifically positioned (sorry I mean accidentally dropped) by some fed up landowners.
As a lawyer Im well aware of the legalities. That wasn't the question, the query was recommendations / ideas on models, makes etc
thanks
Especially as it is your kids.
Pax.
Don't waste your money on a cheap Chinese quad or indeed an expensive new quad! Get a real nice and tidy (not easy to find) Suzuki LT50 if he is small or LT80 if bigger.
The LTs are the best out there, they really are. Completely bullet proof, and pretty much depreciation proof, it may even go up in value. A new one is like £1900, so buy a nice tidy not messed about with 2005 model for say your £600, (50) let him get used to it, and if he likes it and wants more power, sell it next year and get him an 80CC version. I'd be surprised if you don't get your money back on it. They make strong money and there is a very good reason for that!
The LT50 is great to learn on as it has a cut out plug on the back and a lanyard that you can hold onto and run around after them, if they go too fast, pull it and it cuts the motor. Also a throttle stop on the thumb throttle to limit speed etc. Best kids quad by far, it is not worth thinking about anything else. And if you are worried he will think it is 2nd hand etc, for £50 or 60 quid you can get him custom sticker kits made up with his name etc on it, it will look like new and he will love it.
The LTs are the best out there, they really are. Completely bullet proof, and pretty much depreciation proof, it may even go up in value. A new one is like £1900, so buy a nice tidy not messed about with 2005 model for say your £600, (50) let him get used to it, and if he likes it and wants more power, sell it next year and get him an 80CC version. I'd be surprised if you don't get your money back on it. They make strong money and there is a very good reason for that!
The LT50 is great to learn on as it has a cut out plug on the back and a lanyard that you can hold onto and run around after them, if they go too fast, pull it and it cuts the motor. Also a throttle stop on the thumb throttle to limit speed etc. Best kids quad by far, it is not worth thinking about anything else. And if you are worried he will think it is 2nd hand etc, for £50 or 60 quid you can get him custom sticker kits made up with his name etc on it, it will look like new and he will love it.
TheExcession said:
DrSteveBrule said:
Hopefully it doesn't need saying again but avoid a quad. My wife escaped a potentially serious accident a few years ago when the one she was riding started to tramline in dried mud tracks, straight towards the edge of a 30ft drop. She didn't have the physical strength to get the thing back on course, and she jumped off seconds before it went tumbling over the side. It's one of the few things I've witnessed that when I think back, it makes my blood run cold. She was this close to ending up in hospital or a mortuary.
W.T.F? What was she doing near a 30ft drop? Rolling a silage clamp? Did the brakes not work? Could she not stop before she jumped off?E.T.A
What made the tram lines towards the 30ft drop? How did they get on?
The climb wasn't steep and we weren't going fast – simply following the guide. The drop was big though, and after the first 30ft it levelled out for about 10ft then dropped again. The drop had been broken up into tiers (terraces - I'm sure there's a correct word) to make it less severe. We were making our way back to the start of this 'quad safari' when hers started to follow these deep ruts caused by tractors or 4x4s. Whatever made them, they were deep enough to keep the quad's wheels in place. The quad started to head towards the edge. The tracks didn't lead off the edge, but got pretty close. She started to panic and after hours on these things in the Ibiza heat she didn't have the energy to get it out of the rut. I recall shouting 'Just jump!' and she left off while the quad vanished over the edge. She had a nasty cut on her shin due to the flints – the scar is still there.
The shock kicked in shortly after. The quad tour operator was called and he picked us up from a spot just a little further along where the track met the road. He was begging us not to tell the holiday company. I peeked over and saw bits of the quad scattered on the first tier. I've no idea how they were planning on getting it back other than sending someone down with a rope and pulling it up. It looked written off to my untrained eye, perhaps they left it there.
While there was a degree of operator error and an even larger disregard for health & safety in general, it was very sobering to see how quickly these things can run away with you.
DrSteveBrule said:
TheExcession said:
DrSteveBrule said:
Hopefully it doesn't need saying again but avoid a quad. My wife escaped a potentially serious accident a few years ago when the one she was riding started to tramline in dried mud tracks, straight towards the edge of a 30ft drop. She didn't have the physical strength to get the thing back on course, and she jumped off seconds before it went tumbling over the side. It's one of the few things I've witnessed that when I think back, it makes my blood run cold. She was this close to ending up in hospital or a mortuary.
W.T.F? What was she doing near a 30ft drop? Rolling a silage clamp? Did the brakes not work? Could she not stop before she jumped off?E.T.A
What made the tram lines towards the 30ft drop? How did they get on?
The climb wasn't steep and we weren't going fast – simply following the guide. The drop was big though, and after the first 30ft it levelled out for about 10ft then dropped again. The drop had been broken up into tiers (terraces - I'm sure there's a correct word) to make it less severe. We were making our way back to the start of this 'quad safari' when hers started to follow these deep ruts caused by tractors or 4x4s. Whatever made them, they were deep enough to keep the quad's wheels in place. The quad started to head towards the edge. The tracks didn't lead off the edge, but got pretty close. She started to panic and after hours on these things in the Ibiza heat she didn't have the energy to get it out of the rut. I recall shouting 'Just jump!' and she left off while the quad vanished over the edge. She had a nasty cut on her shin due to the flints – the scar is still there.
The shock kicked in shortly after. The quad tour operator was called and he picked us up from a spot just a little further along where the track met the road. He was begging us not to tell the holiday company. I peeked over and saw bits of the quad scattered on the first tier. I've no idea how they were planning on getting it back other than sending someone down with a rope and pulling it up. It looked written off to my untrained eye, perhaps they left it there.
While there was a degree of operator error and an even larger disregard for health & safety in general, it was very sobering to see how quickly these things can run away with you.
Playing devil's advocate in a go-kart/buggy it'd have been much harder for her to get off in the same situation so in the instance you describe, being on a quad could well have saved her life!
Edited by The Moose on Thursday 5th May 08:29
The Moose said:
I'm not being funny but it sounds like a bit more than 'a degree of operator error'.
Playing devil's advocate in a go-kart/buggy it'd have been much harder for her to get off in the same situation so in the instance you describe, being on a quad could well have saved her life!
Fair point but it was the way it went from managable to unmanagable that caught her unawares. The margin of error was quite small. The quad could have – probably would have – rolled on top of her. A buggy at least has a roll cage.Playing devil's advocate in a go-kart/buggy it'd have been much harder for her to get off in the same situation so in the instance you describe, being on a quad could well have saved her life!
Edited by The Moose on Thursday 5th May 08:29
We bought one for our son 2 years ago he is 7 now - we live in kent.
70cc Chinese thing second hand - £250.
The problem I found was that riding it up and down next doors field - we have permission - soon became a little boring.
I did find club that had a meet every month in a wooded area near Tonbridge - £25 a go. There was basic first aid available and guidance / advice.
This was great fun, there were paths in the woods and a specific area for children - speed was no longer the be all and end all, it introduced a degree of control and skill, they had a seesaw that worked fine, best of all there were other 6 year olds that he could follow / ride with, which made it much better.
Riding it up and down a field will become boring quite quickly.
del
70cc Chinese thing second hand - £250.
The problem I found was that riding it up and down next doors field - we have permission - soon became a little boring.
I did find club that had a meet every month in a wooded area near Tonbridge - £25 a go. There was basic first aid available and guidance / advice.
This was great fun, there were paths in the woods and a specific area for children - speed was no longer the be all and end all, it introduced a degree of control and skill, they had a seesaw that worked fine, best of all there were other 6 year olds that he could follow / ride with, which made it much better.
Riding it up and down a field will become boring quite quickly.
del
Ok I'll bite too, I bought my daughter this http://www.funbikes.co.uk/FunBikes_Toxic_800w_Blac... and she's had great fun on it.
We went electric so not to annoy our neighbours and it's got speed settings so she can learn at a sensible pace.
As has been mentioned, they can be great fun if used with care.
We went electric so not to annoy our neighbours and it's got speed settings so she can learn at a sensible pace.
As has been mentioned, they can be great fun if used with care.
novhead said:
Hi. hope Im posting in the right place here...im a newbie...
My 8 year old son is hankering after a quad for his birthday in two weeks. I was reluctant because of safety issues but its literally ALL he wants.
I've had a good look around and really didn't want to buy a used one, again for safety but also reliability...
I saw that there were some decent ones around and was looking at the Polaris range BUT they are looking way too expensive.
We are limited to @ £600.
He doesn't want to race it, just wants to ride around on it. I was looking at 50cc and I want to be able to limit the throttle too. Really needing some help as Im just bogged down and not very in-the-know. Had Suzuki LT%)(I think)? recommended by a friend but they look old? also looked at Polaris 50cc but too expensive! I don't want to buy cheap Chinese cr&p.
Any help would be HUGELY appreciated
Just get a cheap Chinese one.My 8 year old son is hankering after a quad for his birthday in two weeks. I was reluctant because of safety issues but its literally ALL he wants.
I've had a good look around and really didn't want to buy a used one, again for safety but also reliability...
I saw that there were some decent ones around and was looking at the Polaris range BUT they are looking way too expensive.
We are limited to @ £600.
He doesn't want to race it, just wants to ride around on it. I was looking at 50cc and I want to be able to limit the throttle too. Really needing some help as Im just bogged down and not very in-the-know. Had Suzuki LT%)(I think)? recommended by a friend but they look old? also looked at Polaris 50cc but too expensive! I don't want to buy cheap Chinese cr&p.
Any help would be HUGELY appreciated
he will either outgrow it size wise, or just lose all interest.
300 GBP gets you a nice looking one, and you should get 12 months out of it easily enough.
Other than that a Dingo cart
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Off-Road-Go-Kart-Buggy-/...
100 GBP
Belt driven variable speed drive, like the older DAF car things.
Edited by uk_vette on Thursday 5th May 16:26
novhead said:
Troubleatmill said:
And driving it around some poor sods field without their permission will end badly.
I have seen broken glass specifically positioned (sorry I mean accidentally dropped) by some fed up landowners.
We have two acres ourselves and I said an AIRfield, not a field. I have seen broken glass specifically positioned (sorry I mean accidentally dropped) by some fed up landowners.
As a lawyer Im well aware of the legalities. That wasn't the question, the query was recommendations / ideas on models, makes etc
thanks
£600 max to spend on kids quad bike
ahm ooot
Pat H said:
This is a really good post.
I started off when I was five years old, back in the mid 1970s, on a little Malaguti like this...
I was lucky because my Grandad had a farm, so there was plenty of space to ride. My parents bought me a little Kangol open faced helmet, but it was soon discarded because it made your head sweat.
I always dressed for the ride and not the crash. Jeans, trainers and a tee shirt.
I fell off plenty of times, but my worst injury was a burned leg when the bike landed on top of me.
Dad spent a lot of time straightening forks, changing sprockets and chains, or replacing broken levers. I sat there passing him the spanners and watching how it was done.
I inevitably moved on to bigger and more powerful bikes and I'm still riding at the ripe old age of 47.
As a middle aged bloke, I look back with a wry smile at the casual attitudes to safety, but I had a huge amount of fun and learned so much about maintaining bikes and cars.
Anyway, enough sentimental crap.
What you need to know is this:
1. Forget the quad. They are dangerous. Your son will get hurt.
2. If it has to be four wheeled, then an off road buggy is miles better.
3. The thing to get is a small Japanese off road bike. Preferably a four stroke, as it will be quieter.
4. Get the right protective kit.
5. Have regard for other people. I love bikes, but get pissed off with the local chavs making a din.
6. Make sure you have a tame mechanic on hand. If it is used properly, it will need plenty of fixing.
7. Make sure you have somewhere secure to keep it. These things are always being nicked.
8. Finally, and in case I haven't made this clear, forget the quad. They are crap.
I would strongly encourage your lad's interest. I regret not getting involved in organised motorsport when I was a kid. But I am glad I started riding so young. I learned a lot, got to spend loads of time with my Dad and became confident with spanners. Was one of the best things I ever did.
Really fab and helpful reply I started off when I was five years old, back in the mid 1970s, on a little Malaguti like this...
I was lucky because my Grandad had a farm, so there was plenty of space to ride. My parents bought me a little Kangol open faced helmet, but it was soon discarded because it made your head sweat.
I always dressed for the ride and not the crash. Jeans, trainers and a tee shirt.
I fell off plenty of times, but my worst injury was a burned leg when the bike landed on top of me.
Dad spent a lot of time straightening forks, changing sprockets and chains, or replacing broken levers. I sat there passing him the spanners and watching how it was done.
I inevitably moved on to bigger and more powerful bikes and I'm still riding at the ripe old age of 47.
As a middle aged bloke, I look back with a wry smile at the casual attitudes to safety, but I had a huge amount of fun and learned so much about maintaining bikes and cars.
Anyway, enough sentimental crap.
What you need to know is this:
1. Forget the quad. They are dangerous. Your son will get hurt.
2. If it has to be four wheeled, then an off road buggy is miles better.
3. The thing to get is a small Japanese off road bike. Preferably a four stroke, as it will be quieter.
4. Get the right protective kit.
5. Have regard for other people. I love bikes, but get pissed off with the local chavs making a din.
6. Make sure you have a tame mechanic on hand. If it is used properly, it will need plenty of fixing.
7. Make sure you have somewhere secure to keep it. These things are always being nicked.
8. Finally, and in case I haven't made this clear, forget the quad. They are crap.
I would strongly encourage your lad's interest. I regret not getting involved in organised motorsport when I was a kid. But I am glad I started riding so young. I learned a lot, got to spend loads of time with my Dad and became confident with spanners. Was one of the best things I ever did.
Thank you.
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