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boyse7en said:
rovermorris999 said:
This outfit was on our local news last night:
https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
"Every year, hundreds of people go missing in Lincolnshire",https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
Do they really? We don't get that many going missing on Exmoor, which I would think is a bit more potentially dangerous than the famously flat county of Lincolnshire.
Not the same as rocking up to the village show in cowboy boots to 'manage comms' IMO.
We had a lowland search team knock on the door once, wanting to check our hedges & outbuildings for a vulnerable missing person.
It's surprisingly common to read in the local news about people going missing and it's arguably better that this lot look for them than diverting police from their regular duties or having to send up the helicopter.
The ones I met certainly registered on the Waltometer but their hearts were in the right place.
It's surprisingly common to read in the local news about people going missing and it's arguably better that this lot look for them than diverting police from their regular duties or having to send up the helicopter.
The ones I met certainly registered on the Waltometer but their hearts were in the right place.
PurpleAki said:
boyse7en said:
"Every year, hundreds of people go missing in Lincolnshire",
Do they really? We don't get that many going missing on Exmoor, which I would think is a bit more potentially dangerous than the famously flat county of Lincolnshire.
Lincolnshire. The new Bermuda Triangle.Do they really? We don't get that many going missing on Exmoor, which I would think is a bit more potentially dangerous than the famously flat county of Lincolnshire.
PurpleAki said:
The biggest cock this thread discovered.
I wonder why he's selling? Perhaps he's been told to "cease & desist" by people with real authority.
I have to agree with your assessment of him. I watched the video of the Facebook page, where he had "deployed" (I believe that is the term they use) because of a car on fire. I think the raging inferno was fairly obvious as a hazard, without some self important prick causing a further obstruction with his mobile disco.I wonder why he's selling? Perhaps he's been told to "cease & desist" by people with real authority.
Edited by PurpleAki on Thursday 9th March 09:28
Disastrous said:
To be fair, they seem to be doing a genuinely good job. In that news piece, the police spoke very highly of them and I can immediately see their value to those who are suffering from dementia etc.
Not the same as rocking up to the village show in cowboy boots to 'manage comms' IMO.
Very true, their hearts are in the right place but these sorts of teams do attract a certain type, at least the ones I met/worked with as a Coastguard did. They do a good job but aspects of their publicity are a little cringeworthy at times. Still, each to their own, it's the end result that counts.Not the same as rocking up to the village show in cowboy boots to 'manage comms' IMO.
markmullen said:
Lowland teams do a good job, yet more uninformed t
ttishness this thread delivers.
If you knew what you were talking about, instead of spouting bks freely you'd know that many people go missing who don't get reported, despondents, dementia sufferers, all sorts, which don't make the news. The police usually don't have enough manpower to form a large search team (I'm qualified in search techniques so know how what resources this takes) to go after each and every one, so Lowland teams step in to take up the slack.
Lowland teams don't get the high profile jobs that Mountain Rescue teams do, the highline winches off snow covered mountains which make good TV, but they do an awful lot of good, at no cost to the public. If your old parents got dementia and shambled out into the wilds in the middle of the night, even in flat Lincolnshire, it is likely a Lowland team would be the ones to go find them.
Well bloody said, keep up the good work. Cue the "oh we're only joking and taking the piss of 3rd man on the balcony Walts" defence. ttishness this thread delivers.If you knew what you were talking about, instead of spouting b
ks freely you'd know that many people go missing who don't get reported, despondents, dementia sufferers, all sorts, which don't make the news. The police usually don't have enough manpower to form a large search team (I'm qualified in search techniques so know how what resources this takes) to go after each and every one, so Lowland teams step in to take up the slack.Lowland teams don't get the high profile jobs that Mountain Rescue teams do, the highline winches off snow covered mountains which make good TV, but they do an awful lot of good, at no cost to the public. If your old parents got dementia and shambled out into the wilds in the middle of the night, even in flat Lincolnshire, it is likely a Lowland team would be the ones to go find them.
Willy Nilly said:
That's a bit st. boyse7en said:
rovermorris999 said:
This outfit was on our local news last night:
https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
"Every year, hundreds of people go missing in Lincolnshire",https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
Do they really? We don't get that many going missing on Exmoor, which I would think is a bit more potentially dangerous than the famously flat county of Lincolnshire.
We run a lot on exmoor/quantocks and if there looking for somebody it would be a good idea to put info out with a contact number so you could have more people out looking.
markmullen said:
boyse7en said:
rovermorris999 said:
This outfit was on our local news last night:
https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
"Every year, hundreds of people go missing in Lincolnshire",https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
Do they really? We don't get that many going missing on Exmoor, which I would think is a bit more potentially dangerous than the famously flat county of Lincolnshire.
ttishness this thread delivers.If you knew what you were talking about, instead of spouting b
ks freely you'd know that many people go missing who don't get reported, despondents, dementia sufferers, all sorts, which don't make the news. The police usually don't have enough manpower to form a large search team (I'm qualified in search techniques so know how what resources this takes) to go after each and every one, so Lowland teams step in to take up the slack.Lowland teams don't get the high profile jobs that Mountain Rescue teams do, the highline winches off snow covered mountains which make good TV, but they do an awful lot of good, at no cost to the public. If your old parents got dementia and shambled out into the wilds in the middle of the night, even in flat Lincolnshire, it is likely a Lowland team would be the ones to go find them.
Opportunity for west country walts to start the Somerset Levels Lowland Squad though.
egor110 said:
Down here in Somerset the exmoor search and rescue are called in by the police if they need more people .
Opportunity for west country walts to start the Somerset Levels Lowland Squad though.
You're too late:Opportunity for west country walts to start the Somerset Levels Lowland Squad though.
https://www.wessex4x4response.org.uk/
markmullen said:
boyse7en said:
rovermorris999 said:
This outfit was on our local news last night:
https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
"Every year, hundreds of people go missing in Lincolnshire",https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
Do they really? We don't get that many going missing on Exmoor, which I would think is a bit more potentially dangerous than the famously flat county of Lincolnshire.
ttishness this thread delivers.If you knew what you were talking about, instead of spouting b
ks freely you'd know that many people go missing who don't get reported, despondents, dementia sufferers, all sorts, which don't make the news. The police usually don't have enough manpower to form a large search team (I'm qualified in search techniques so know how what resources this takes) to go after each and every one, so Lowland teams step in to take up the slack.Lowland teams don't get the high profile jobs that Mountain Rescue teams do, the highline winches off snow covered mountains which make good TV, but they do an awful lot of good, at no cost to the public. If your old parents got dementia and shambled out into the wilds in the middle of the night, even in flat Lincolnshire, it is likely a Lowland team would be the ones to go find them.
I didn't have a go at any of the guys who make up the search team/squad. I was genuinely surprised that Lincolnshire had so many missing people that it required a dedicated team to go out looking for them.
We get a few people go missing around here, especially from further afield (it's a popular place for city-dwellers to come and throw themselves of a cliff with a nice view) but don't have a search team for the non-moorland places.
helix402 said:
All went very well, with the missing person alive and well. It was an urban search so no need for off-road driving, but the vehicle height meant we could see over parked vehicles more easily and cover a lot of ground with the searchers on board, dropping off people as necessary to check areas.Just had to highlight that...
helix402 said:
egor110 said:
Down here in Somerset the exmoor search and rescue are called in by the police if they need more people .
Opportunity for west country walts to start the Somerset Levels Lowland Squad though.
You're too late:Opportunity for west country walts to start the Somerset Levels Lowland Squad though.
https://www.wessex4x4response.org.uk/
egor110 said:
boyse7en said:
rovermorris999 said:
This outfit was on our local news last night:
https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
"Every year, hundreds of people go missing in Lincolnshire",https://www.facebook.com/Lincolnshire-Lowland-Sear...
According to the video (scroll down) they need more members as they only have four bikes.
Do they really? We don't get that many going missing on Exmoor, which I would think is a bit more potentially dangerous than the famously flat county of Lincolnshire.
We run a lot on exmoor/quantocks and if there looking for somebody it would be a good idea to put info out with a contact number so you could have more people out looking.
There are tens of thousands of mountain bikers all over the land. I'm pretty sure the majority of them would happily turn out to help find a member of the community who went missing. I have my own bike, my own safety kit, and make my own decisions on what to wear/carry based on weather forecasts and trail conditions. I accept that some form of training in helping the vulnerable might be a damned good idea, and that it might be necessary to be CRB checked. But at the end of the day, you don't need to ride as a team of four to cover ground and spot people. Would they turn away a volunteer who hadn't bee trained? Surely mobilizing the local MTB trail club, handing out some 2-way radios, and a briefing by a police officer would get more people out looking, and find the missing person sooner?
It's the pseudo-uniform, the hierarchy, and the faux-military 'comms and protocol' nonsense that makes these "4th emergency service" types divisive and exclusive, rather than inclusive and welcoming to most ordinary folk. So if I spotted an appeal for volunteers to assist the police in a missing person search, sure, I'd volunteer. But to be sorted, organised, and ordered around by some social misfit in ill-fitting hi-vis? No, sorry, but I'm not up for that. And after spending half my life on a 3 hour notice pager for 5 years, I know what REAL on-call means, and what it can do to you after a while. So no, I'm not willing to sleep with one eye open, nor be contactable 24 hours a bloody day either. It's not assisting, or volunteering that puts people off helping. I really do think it's the attitude of many of the folk who have appointed themselves to run the show that makes others reluctant to help. If they'd just chill out a bit, and quit blowing their own trumpet quite so damned hard, I think more people would be willing to sacrifice some of their free time to help out...
Exactly , so if there was some system where they could tap into the local mtb/running clubs with just 2 pieces of info .
1- this person has gone missing , last seen at place x ( obviously with a photo)
2- if you happen to bump into them can you ring this number then we can send the police/mountain rescue to your location
they'd get more bodies on the ground , and no need for all this 4th emergency services rubbish , no need for high viz.
Re the training helping the vulnerable i don't think that's essential , just if you find them follow them and keep the trained people informed where you are would do the trick.
1- this person has gone missing , last seen at place x ( obviously with a photo)
2- if you happen to bump into them can you ring this number then we can send the police/mountain rescue to your location
they'd get more bodies on the ground , and no need for all this 4th emergency services rubbish , no need for high viz.
Re the training helping the vulnerable i don't think that's essential , just if you find them follow them and keep the trained people informed where you are would do the trick.
Edited by egor110 on Thursday 9th March 23:11
egor110 said:
Exactly , so if there was some system where they could tap into the local mtb/running clubs with just 2 pieces of info .
1- this person has gone missing , last seen at place x ( obviously with a photo)
2- if you happen to bump into them can you ring this number then we can send the police/mountain rescue to your location
they'd get more bodies on the ground , and no need for all this 4th emergency services rubbish , no need for high viz.
Re the training helping the vulnerable i don't think that's essential , just if you find them follow them and keep the trained people informed where you are would do the trick.
Yup, that would work too. 1- this person has gone missing , last seen at place x ( obviously with a photo)
2- if you happen to bump into them can you ring this number then we can send the police/mountain rescue to your location
they'd get more bodies on the ground , and no need for all this 4th emergency services rubbish , no need for high viz.
Re the training helping the vulnerable i don't think that's essential , just if you find them follow them and keep the trained people informed where you are would do the trick.
The thing is, these days you don't even need individual phone numbers or cascade contact lists to mobilize a local MTB group. They're almost all on a Facebook group anyway, contact one or two key individuals and within an hour or so you'd have forty people or more available to assist. It's not like riding a bike is a chore to a MTB group member. "Sorry love. Missing person out in the woods. All hands to the pump I'm afraid, so I can't sit in and watch Eastenders with you tonight. Could be a late one too..." All volunteering needs to be to attract volunteers is attractive. Ditch the negative stereotypes and cast around for some 'regular folk' who just want to help out, have a pint to celebrate, then go home to bed. We're out here, and willing. But we just don't see the need to bling it up into something it isn't...
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