Saab 9-5 BHP Output?

Saab 9-5 BHP Output?

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Vroom101

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828 posts

132 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Currently looking for a large estate and Saab 9-5s have cropped up on my radar.

I'd be after a manual, petrol 2.3 but I'm not too clued up about the various power outputs.

I've seen this car, a 2.3T Turbo Edition, and Autotrader says it has 256bhp, but I'm not so sure. I thought only the Aero models had that sort of power.

http://www.mouselow.co.uk/used-cars/saab-9-5-2-3-t...

Is there a definitive guide to 9-5s and the various power outputs they produce, or can anybody here shed some light on it?

Also, are there any particular things I should look out for with these Saabs when going to view them?

Fattyfat

3,301 posts

195 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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2.3 Turbo edition is 180BHP IIRC

From memory the lower output 2.0 and 2.3 used a Garrett GT1752 turbo and the Aero used a Mitsubishi TD04

Been a while since I had a Saab but that should give you an idea.

DavidY

4,458 posts

283 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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2.3 Turbo circa 185bhp
2.3T Turbo circa 220 bhp (only available on alter model cars)
2.3 Aero circa 250bhp

griffin dai

3,194 posts

148 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Few 9-5's for sale here on UKSaabs:

http://uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewforum.php?f=14

Vroom101

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828 posts

132 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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Thanks for the replies, everyone.

I'm still a little confused though. I found this quote on another thread...

tdm34 said:
Job38 said:
I'm confused and in need of guidance.....

I'm after a 2005-on 95 Aero estate, can someone please explain what is the difference between an Aero and a 2.3 Turbo Edition?
I thought the Aero HOT was the one I was after but the 2.3 Turbo Edition would appear to have the same engine?
The 2.3 Turbo Edition is an Aero with SatNav, Harman Kardon Speakers, Memory for drivers seat and different wheels iirc
I've had one for six months and I love it...
Any ideas?


tdm34

7,365 posts

209 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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The 2.3T edition is an Aero with memory seats, Harman Kardon audio and sat nav and a full 260bhp... All the bright work is satin finished rather than chrome , they're a hoot to drive not great around corners but straights are a different matter

Vroom101

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828 posts

132 months

Friday 27th May 2016
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DavidY said:
2.3 Turbo circa 185bhp
2.3T Turbo circa 220 bhp (only available on alter model cars)
2.3 Aero circa 250bhp
tdm34 said:
The 2.3T edition is an Aero with memory seats, Harman Kardon audio and sat nav and a full 260bhp... All the bright work is satin finished rather than chrome , they're a hoot to drive not great around corners but straights are a different matter
So the 2.3T Turbo has a different power output from the 2.3T Edition (220bhp vs 260bhp)?

DavidY

4,458 posts

283 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Look here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_9-5#Engines_2

As I said before.....the last run out Aero's had 260bhp, not the 2.3T

There's just confusion over the nomenclature. If it's not badged areo it will have 220 bhp or less!

Vroom101

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828 posts

132 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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DavidY said:
Look here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_9-5#Engines_2

As I said before.....the last run out Aero's had 260bhp, not the 2.3T

There's just confusion over the nomenclature. If it's not badged areo it will have 220 bhp or less!
Ah, forgive my ignorance, it's just that I found this post on the Saab Scene forum, which kind of goes against what Wiki says...

GrumpGriffin said:
Some cars badged as Turbo Editions are actually full Aero’s marketed as Turbo Edition's and registered as Turbo Editions by the selling dealer but the Saab SMS system has them recorded as full Aero's! This was probably a way of getting some bonus out of Saab and allowing them to be sold for a considerably reduced price when new. Others are were in fact built and marketed as 2.3T Turbo Editions though they are in fact Aero's minus some badging. An easy way to determine whether a car started life as an Aero or as a Turbo Edition is to check the two front door kick plates, a car that started out as an Aero will have the Saab Aero logo on the kick plates and the Aero logo on the boot, ones that were built as 2.3 Turbo Edition's have a 2.3T logo on the boot lid and either plain front kick plates or kicplates with the Vector Logo on them!


I suppose without going to see the actual car, I'm not going to be sure. It's a shame the car is 170 odd miles away. It's not like I can just pop over to make sure smile One other problem is that my current car - a Mondeo TDCi estate - has only 130bhp (on a good day!), so I'm not 100% certain I'll be able to differentiate between 220/260bhp if I drive it. All I will know is that it will be much quicker than mine!

DavidY

4,458 posts

283 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Ok then I think you have

2.3t. 185bhp
2.3T. 220bhp
Aero 235-260 depending on year
2.3 Turbo Edition 260bhp, will be a very late model

Vroom101

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828 posts

132 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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DavidY said:
Ok then I think you have

2.3t. 185bhp
2.3T. 220bhp
Aero 235-260 depending on year
2.3 Turbo Edition 260bhp, will be a very late model
That's looks about right. I've done a bit more digging, and it seems that the Aero name was dropped for the 2009.5 model year, and was replaced with the 2.3T Edition. The car I'm interested in was registered in December 2009, so that makes a bit more sense smile

Just want to go and have a drive of the damn thing now! Unfortunately bank holiday, my kid's birthday, half term and work are getting in the way! That and the fact it's 170 miles away rolleyes

paulmakin

653 posts

140 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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i think (but more than happy to be corrected) that in later years "Aero" became a "lesser" model in the range with it's focus on performance enhancements rather than additional toys.

the later the car the more confused i get but a late aero need not have the spec one might expect whereas the earlier aero's were range-topping

paul

addey

1,029 posts

166 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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Vroom101 said:
DavidY said:
Look here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_9-5#Engines_2

As I said before.....the last run out Aero's had 260bhp, not the 2.3T

There's just confusion over the nomenclature. If it's not badged areo it will have 220 bhp or less!
Ah, forgive my ignorance, it's just that I found this post on the Saab Scene forum, which kind of goes against what Wiki says...

GrumpGriffin said:
Some cars badged as Turbo Editions are actually full Aero’s marketed as Turbo Edition's and registered as Turbo Editions by the selling dealer but the Saab SMS system has them recorded as full Aero's! This was probably a way of getting some bonus out of Saab and allowing them to be sold for a considerably reduced price when new. Others are were in fact built and marketed as 2.3T Turbo Editions though they are in fact Aero's minus some badging. An easy way to determine whether a car started life as an Aero or as a Turbo Edition is to check the two front door kick plates, a car that started out as an Aero will have the Saab Aero logo on the kick plates and the Aero logo on the boot, ones that were built as 2.3 Turbo Edition's have a 2.3T logo on the boot lid and either plain front kick plates or kicplates with the Vector Logo on them!


I suppose without going to see the actual car, I'm not going to be sure. It's a shame the car is 170 odd miles away. It's not like I can just pop over to make sure smile One other problem is that my current car - a Mondeo TDCi estate - has only 130bhp (on a good day!), so I'm not 100% certain I'll be able to differentiate between 220/260bhp if I drive it. All I will know is that it will be much quicker than mine!
The quoted bit from GrumpGriffin fits with my car - I have a 2010 Turbo Edition that is badged 2.3T (and has the vector kickplates!) and has 260bhp so is effectively an aero. I have the original brochure which shows all the specs for the various Turbo Editions, happy to scan and post if anyone is interested.

ETA - Just looked at the advert you've linked and that looks identical to mine - same wheels, subwoofer in the right of boot, memory seat etc. Picked mine up in February privately for £5k although I've had to spend a bit since sorting a few issues frownmad



Edited by addey on Sunday 29th May 21:40

Vroom101

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828 posts

132 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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addey said:
The quoted bit from GrumpGriffin fits with my car - I have a 2010 Turbo Edition that is badged 2.3T (and has the vector kickplates!) and has 260bhp so is effectively an aero. I have the original brochure which shows all the specs for the various Turbo Editions, happy to scan and post if anyone is interested.

ETA - Just looked at the advert you've linked and that looks identical to mine - same wheels, subwoofer in the right of boot, memory seat etc. Picked mine up in February privately for £5k although I've had to spend a bit since sorting a few issues frownmad



Edited by addey on Sunday 29th May 21:40
Thanks for the info Addey. If you don't mind me asking, what is yours like to drive, and what problems have you encountered?

Vroom101

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828 posts

132 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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madmadmad

The car's been sold. Grrrrrr......normal life in the way! Apparently some chap is travelling from Dorset to pick it up. And I thought I was far away in Essex!

The search continues....

addey

1,029 posts

166 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Shame you missed out on that one, they don't come up very often! When I got mine I'd pretty much given up looking for a newer one (09/10 reg) but happened to check on autotrader one day and mine had literally just been listed so called up.

Vroom101 said:
Thanks for the info Addey. If you don't mind me asking, what is yours like to drive, and what problems have you encountered?
So my reply might be academic now.....! This is my 2nd aero, I've also got a 2004 estate (that I really need to sell!) that I had for 5.5 years / 70k miles. For my needs they are the perfect car, plenty of space, comfortable, quick and great value for money. I like the fact they are a bit heavy and barge-like to drive with pedals and gearbox to match! Mid range power is great for effortless overtaking.

My new one was due a service/MOT when I bought it and ended up needing a couple of new tyres and 2 rear shock absorbers, so I guess wear and tear items, just a shame I was paying for them and not the previous owner! Obviously you probably wouldn't have those issues on a dealer-purchased car. More annoying though is I've had issues with the turbo and ended up having it sent off and reconditioned a couple of weeks ago. Something still isn't right so I'm speaking to the garage this week. Think I've been unlucky as this doesn't seem to be a common problem on the newer cars. My other aero is still on its original turbo after 12 years and 170000 miles!





highway

1,930 posts

259 months

Wednesday 1st June 2016
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I bought my 09 Turbo Edition saloon from the first owner 18 months ago when it had covered 12k. It's now showing 20k and going for an mot later. It's a big comfortable car with great seats and lots of spec. It's thirsty around town-low 20's and demands super unleaded. I don't know how it runs on lesser fuel, I've never tried it and the chap I bought it firm insisted that super was the only way to go.

It doesn't inspire confidence cornering hard as its softly sprung feeling uncomfortable when pushed. It does have surprising 3rd gear wallop though and the stereo, air con, nav and heated front and rear seats make it a nice place to sit.

I fancy a change but there is a dearth of low mileage, privately owned cars available. I want a family sized car as my daily and a change to a 4 or 5 year old 5 series would cost triple that of my Saab whilst offering little more. I saw me of the newer model 9-5's in the gym car park on Monday which look really nice. They have held their value remarkably when you consider the marque is redundant now.

highway

1,930 posts

259 months

Wednesday 1st June 2016
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I bought my 09 Turbo Edition saloon from the first owner 18 months ago when it had covered 12k. It's now showing 20k and going for an mot later. It's a big comfortable car with great seats and lots of spec. It's thirsty around town-low 20's and demands super unleaded. I don't know how it runs on lesser fuel, I've never tried it and the chap I bought it firm insisted that super was the only way to go.

It doesn't inspire confidence cornering hard as its softly sprung feeling uncomfortable when pushed. It does have surprising 3rd gear wallop though and the stereo, air con, nav and heated front and rear seats make it a nice place to sit.

I fancy a change but there is a dearth of low mileage, privately owned cars available. I want a family sized car as my daily and a change to a 4 or 5 year old 5 series would cost triple that of my Saab whilst offering little more. I saw me of the newer model 9-5's in the gym car park on Monday which look really nice. They have held their value remarkably when you consider the marque is redundant now.

tdm34

7,365 posts

209 months

Wednesday 1st June 2016
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addey said:
Vroom101 said:
DavidY said:
Look here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_9-5#Engines_2

As I said before.....the last run out Aero's had 260bhp, not the 2.3T

There's just confusion over the nomenclature. If it's not badged areo it will have 220 bhp or less!
Ah, forgive my ignorance, it's just that I found this post on the Saab Scene forum, which kind of goes against what Wiki says...

GrumpGriffin said:
Some cars badged as Turbo Editions are actually full Aero’s marketed as Turbo Edition's and registered as Turbo Editions by the selling dealer but the Saab SMS system has them recorded as full Aero's! This was probably a way of getting some bonus out of Saab and allowing them to be sold for a considerably reduced price when new. Others are were in fact built and marketed as 2.3T Turbo Editions though they are in fact Aero's minus some badging. An easy way to determine whether a car started life as an Aero or as a Turbo Edition is to check the two front door kick plates, a car that started out as an Aero will have the Saab Aero logo on the kick plates and the Aero logo on the boot, ones that were built as 2.3 Turbo Edition's have a 2.3T logo on the boot lid and either plain front kick plates or kicplates with the Vector Logo on them!


I suppose without going to see the actual car, I'm not going to be sure. It's a shame the car is 170 odd miles away. It's not like I can just pop over to make sure smile One other problem is that my current car - a Mondeo TDCi estate - has only 130bhp (on a good day!), so I'm not 100% certain I'll be able to differentiate between 220/260bhp if I drive it. All I will know is that it will be much quicker than mine!
The quoted bit from GrumpGriffin fits with my car - I have a 2010 Turbo Edition that is badged 2.3T (and has the vector kickplates!) and has 260bhp so is effectively an aero. I have the original brochure which shows all the specs for the various Turbo Editions, happy to scan and post if anyone is interested.

ETA - Just looked at the advert you've linked and that looks identical to mine - same wheels, subwoofer in the right of boot, memory seat etc. Picked mine up in February privately for £5k although I've had to spend a bit since sorting a few issues frownmad



Edited by addey on Sunday 29th May 21:40
Mine's a 2010 Turbo edition estate, it's done 125k and feels like it'd do the same again, it flew through its MOT last month without an advisory of any kind, it's fun round corners you just have to be a bit brave, grip is good but it rolls a bit in a straight line it's brilliant once you get into second, as a Civic TypeR owner found out to his cost a couple of nights ago wink Tuning is incredibly easy 300bhp/450nm is only about £550 (3" Downpipe, 3.5 bar fuel pressure regulator and a NOOB stage 3 map) really wakes them up, both Abbott racing and Neo Brothers market a Bilstein B12 kit that really makes a difference, the engines are incredibly robust as long as you fit forged pistons and rods, I have a pal with a very anonymous looking 2002 Aero Saloon, the only indication that it's not stock is a set of 18" Hirsch alloys, a 10mm suspension drop and a set of Maptun 4 pots on the front axle, but under the bonnet it has a hybrid turbo, big intercooler, forged pistons/rods Quaife LSD, cams and a Stage 7 NOOB map, all of that results in just over 450bhp and nearly 600nm! it handles well the quaife makes a big difference but in a straight line it's utterly bonkers, it won't take full throttle in first but in second in the dry it's surreal and from then on it'll humble some real exotica ......

Vroom101

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828 posts

132 months

Friday 3rd June 2016
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highway said:
I bought my 09 Turbo Edition saloon from the first owner 18 months ago when it had covered 12k. It's now showing 20k....

....I fancy a change but there is a dearth of low mileage, privately owned cars available. I want a family sized car as my daily and a change to a 4 or 5 year old 5 series would cost triple that of my Saab whilst offering little more. I saw me of the newer model 9-5's in the gym car park on Monday which look really nice. They have held their value remarkably when you consider the marque is redundant now.
If you fancy getting rid of it in the next month or so, send me a PM smile

Edit: As long as it's a manual!

Edited by Vroom101 on Friday 3rd June 06:19