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Our water tank holds something like 5,000 litres. Government water and rain water.
We have around 150 litres of fresh drinking water in the house usually.
Next door has lots of chickens and ducks….. We get the occasional one over wall which dog dispatches if he gets to it first. I guess, in event of food shortage, we’d have to encourage more to come over.
When Covid hit, lots of people lost their jobs. Very much a tourism based economy.
Government assistance was for basics only. Rice, oil etc. No furlough pay or cash to eat out.
The police mobilised more officers, taking some out of plain clothes and putting them in uniform and put armed officers on to the streets in strategic positions. In case of a crime wave or something like looting.
That lasted a few weeks. Crime during Covid in fact went down.
Poorer (or asset rich, cash poor) foreigners left the country to go back home to get benefits.
Families here have very strong ties so everybody mucked in to help others. Bear in mind there were multi-generational houses where every working person had lost their jobs.
We live in quite a mixed area and learnt early on not to try to offer money to anyone struggling. An offer of cash even if done in a roundabout way was usually rejected, what we did in the end was buy in cooking oil and say ‘hey we have a couple of bottles we got given, don’t need them, any use to you?’ These would be accepted.
People took up farming. In fact seaweed farming has had a resurgence since Covid.
Hotel GMs with no salary making food to sell on outside their home to neighbours. Lots of entrepreneurial activities happened.
Society became stronger in many ways. In event of some global emergency I really don’t see the ‘two weeks until society breaks down’ happening.
We have around 150 litres of fresh drinking water in the house usually.
Next door has lots of chickens and ducks….. We get the occasional one over wall which dog dispatches if he gets to it first. I guess, in event of food shortage, we’d have to encourage more to come over.
When Covid hit, lots of people lost their jobs. Very much a tourism based economy.
Government assistance was for basics only. Rice, oil etc. No furlough pay or cash to eat out.
The police mobilised more officers, taking some out of plain clothes and putting them in uniform and put armed officers on to the streets in strategic positions. In case of a crime wave or something like looting.
That lasted a few weeks. Crime during Covid in fact went down.
Poorer (or asset rich, cash poor) foreigners left the country to go back home to get benefits.
Families here have very strong ties so everybody mucked in to help others. Bear in mind there were multi-generational houses where every working person had lost their jobs.
We live in quite a mixed area and learnt early on not to try to offer money to anyone struggling. An offer of cash even if done in a roundabout way was usually rejected, what we did in the end was buy in cooking oil and say ‘hey we have a couple of bottles we got given, don’t need them, any use to you?’ These would be accepted.
People took up farming. In fact seaweed farming has had a resurgence since Covid.
Hotel GMs with no salary making food to sell on outside their home to neighbours. Lots of entrepreneurial activities happened.
Society became stronger in many ways. In event of some global emergency I really don’t see the ‘two weeks until society breaks down’ happening.
jameswills said:
Totally disagree with that, there was a massive thing to rebel against, it was to “save the NHS”, that was drummed in very early and the mantra is still being propagated. They even managed to get people to stand outside and bash a wooden spoon against a pan every Thursday, that is the very definition of a psyop for a cause. During it, the people I knew that didn’t play along were those that still had to work, the actual “working class”. The same will happen again. People who don’t have real jobs, middle management, trading, insurance, sales, they will be eaten alive.
Your definition of “top” is clearly different to mine, and it’s not related to bank balance or size of your house. It’s about your usefulness, and those you define at “the top”, are the most useless in reality
Again, you have a very narrow outlook and that is making you think it was a class thing. It very obviously wasn't. You have an obsession with class and that is clouding your reality. It also makes you highly susceptible to the whole faux mantra of meek inheritance which is used to turn people into foot soldiers to do other's bidding. Your definition of “top” is clearly different to mine, and it’s not related to bank balance or size of your house. It’s about your usefulness, and those you define at “the top”, are the most useless in reality
The other thing people always forget about the current feral elements of a society is that they only exist because the laws exist to protect them from the majority. Once those laws evaporate that feral minority doesn't suddenly become lords and masters but instead lose all that has been protecting them from the masses. Again, just look to history and you see how it differed from the movies. Those people become slaves to the smart or defenestrated by the masses. It's the preppers fantasy to try and believe otherwise.
Dog Star said:
I would have thought that if you are in a location that is bigger than a tiny hamlet or live in proximity to a town, city, residential area etc it’s almost totally down to having the ability to take stuff from those who have got it and making sure others can’t take yours. That’s the ability you’ll need, not 200 tons of beans. I’m coming for YOUR beans.
I suspect many rural villages would fare relatively well, as farmers etc. tend to be pretty well armed/equipped and know their land/area very well.I live in such a village* and last year when one of the village dogs (an elderly miniature schnauzer) went missing - triggering an all-hands, village-wide search - I was amazed at the number of people who had thermal imaging equipment on hand to help locate it. Clearly there's plenty of high end hunting kit tucked away in the houses around here, owned by folks who know how to use it.
I think that in a disaster scenario, if an urban gang turned up expecting to help themselves to the locals' beans/water/fuel then it might not go to plan.
'*Of course, I realise that my neighbours are the same people who would come and take my beans, but that's beside the point...
chemistry said:
I suspect many rural villages would fare relatively well, as farmers etc. tend to be pretty well armed/equipped and know their land/area very well.
I live in such a village* and last year when one of the village dogs (an elderly miniature schnauzer) went missing - triggering an all-hands, village-wide search - I was amazed at the number of people who had thermal imaging equipment on hand to help locate it. Clearly there's plenty of high end hunting kit tucked away in the houses around here, owned by folks who know how to use it.
I think that in a disaster scenario, if an urban gang turned up expecting to help themselves to the locals' beans/water/fuel then it might not go to plan.
'*Of course, I realise that my neighbours are the same people who would come and take my beans, but that's beside the point...
It's also used to keep tabs on travellers and similar so they can be scared away with less chance of one jumping you on his way off the farm. They've become quite violent in recent years as they're a protected species with no natural predators. I live in such a village* and last year when one of the village dogs (an elderly miniature schnauzer) went missing - triggering an all-hands, village-wide search - I was amazed at the number of people who had thermal imaging equipment on hand to help locate it. Clearly there's plenty of high end hunting kit tucked away in the houses around here, owned by folks who know how to use it.
I think that in a disaster scenario, if an urban gang turned up expecting to help themselves to the locals' beans/water/fuel then it might not go to plan.
'*Of course, I realise that my neighbours are the same people who would come and take my beans, but that's beside the point...
Other rural folk have the equipment because they're perverts who go out into the fields at night or sneaking around trying to look at schnauzers.
Dog Star said:
LimaDelta said:
Which is why in reality, any post-apocalyptic world will be dominated by those who already have no respect for the rule of law, and use violence to get what they want. The sort of bloke who will push a pint glass into your face for 'looking at his bird', or pour a kettle of boiling water over your child to get your RS6 keys is not going to hold back while society collapses around them. The overweight incel 'sheepdog' with a basement full of baked beans and special forces cosplay kit is not suddenly going to rise to the occasion to save the sheep, no matter how many YouTube airsoft videos they watch.
Yep. The apex predators of the new order are going to be caravan dwelling scamps, the populations of rough council estates and those scooter chavs you see nicking Ducatis in London brandishing an axe. Middle classes: you’re f
ked. We got the tiniest taste of what will happen when during Covid all the idiots panic bought as much food as they could and then ended up throwing it away as they couldn't eat it all. That is the average middle class, Guardian reading, National Trust member clearing the shelves in Waitrose, imagine what the full council Bully XL owning types will get up to in an apocalypse.
It will be the survival of the fittest, having gone to private school and working in IT is really not going to cut it.
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Absolutely this. Do you really think you will just sit in your McMansion surrounded by your food, water etc. and be left alone? Or will more likely the people above kick the door in, murder you and take all your stuff?
We got the tiniest taste of what will happen when during Covid all the idiots panic bought as much food as they could and then ended up throwing it away as they couldn't eat it all. That is the average middle class, Guardian reading, National Trust member clearing the shelves in Waitrose, imagine what the full council Bully XL owning types will get up to in an apocalypse.
It will be the survival of the fittest, having gone to private school and working in IT is really not going to cut it.
Except it wasn't was it. It was across the whole of society and the majority of toilet roll Rutgers were, as is the norm, rutting outside the discount outlets. And as always, whenever there is the whiff of anything it's Morrisons et al that has its shelves cleared in seconds. We got the tiniest taste of what will happen when during Covid all the idiots panic bought as much food as they could and then ended up throwing it away as they couldn't eat it all. That is the average middle class, Guardian reading, National Trust member clearing the shelves in Waitrose, imagine what the full council Bully XL owning types will get up to in an apocalypse.
It will be the survival of the fittest, having gone to private school and working in IT is really not going to cut it.
This obsession with the faux belief that somehow the concept of the Stout English Yeoman exists is as much a farce as it was when Shakespeare first mocked it.
Tim Cognito said:
I'm inclined to believe the survivors will be the mix of brains, brawn and brutality, class or occupation doesn't come into it.
Precisely. The humans who are best suited for a particular environment are not defined by the fictional tales of entertainers or preachers. jameswills said:
From what I’ve experienced over the whole Covid made up nonsense, I’d say your paradigm should be inverted. The people that actually behaved normally and could be trusted were the “working class” and didn’t go along with any of the bullst, and it was the middle classes that lapped it up and just stayed at home and obeyed orders. They will be the first to go if there was anything like an apocalyptic event, as they are utterly useless to society. No one needs a trader or insurance broker. But they do need a mechanic or electrician.
If the apocalypse comes and the power goes out I'm not sure how much use an electrician will be... t, and it was the middle classes that lapped it up and just stayed at home and obeyed orders. They will be the first to go if there was anything like an apocalyptic event, as they are utterly useless to society. No one needs a trader or insurance broker. But they do need a mechanic or electrician.
Zetec-S said:
If the apocalypse comes and the power goes out I'm not sure how much use an electrician will be...
Faraday cages and torture systems. But you won't have to pay big cash but half a rotten chicken or 5 minutes with one of your pigs. Of course, this all ignores the reality that there won't be any government requirement for certified work so no one will actually need an electrician so most will just go in the cooking pot along with all the mechanics who'll be serving no purpose as there will be no servicing rules, MOTs or any of the things that would keep them employed. 
DonkeyApple said:
Faraday cages and torture systems. But you won't have to pay big cash but half a rotten chicken or 5 minutes with one of your pigs. Of course, this all ignores the reality that there won't be any government requirement for certified work so no one will actually need an electrician so most will just go in the cooking pot along with all the mechanics who'll be serving no purpose as there will be no servicing rules, MOTs or any of the things that would keep them employed.
Zetec-S said:
jameswills said:
From what I’ve experienced over the whole Covid made up nonsense, I’d say your paradigm should be inverted. The people that actually behaved normally and could be trusted were the “working class” and didn’t go along with any of the bullst, and it was the middle classes that lapped it up and just stayed at home and obeyed orders. They will be the first to go if there was anything like an apocalyptic event, as they are utterly useless to society. No one needs a trader or insurance broker. But they do need a mechanic or electrician.
If the apocalypse comes and the power goes out I'm not sure how much use an electrician will be... t, and it was the middle classes that lapped it up and just stayed at home and obeyed orders. They will be the first to go if there was anything like an apocalyptic event, as they are utterly useless to society. No one needs a trader or insurance broker. But they do need a mechanic or electrician.Had there been no furlough/free cash during Covid, then we would have seen a lot more unrest, civil disobediance and violent crime. I know a few people took up clay shooting for the first time ever, just in case they had to make their house look less attractive than their neighbours.
jshell said:
Had there been no furlough/free cash during Covid, then we would have seen a lot more unrest, civil disobediance and violent crime. I know a few people took up clay shooting for the first time ever, just in case they had to make their house look less attractive than their neighbours.
I think you are, we were also very lucky with the weather…it could have been a lot worse.jshell said:
Had there been no furlough/free cash during Covid, then we would have seen a lot more unrest, civil disobediance and violent crime. I know a few people took up clay shooting for the first time ever, just in case they had to make their house look less attractive than their neighbours.
Thing is learning to shoot and actually shooting someone are entirety different things.There are people out there who exist purely by taking whatever they want off others sometimes by force.
Pretty much everyone on here isn't that sort of person and isn't going to change overnight.
egor110 said:
jshell said:
Had there been no furlough/free cash during Covid, then we would have seen a lot more unrest, civil disobediance and violent crime. I know a few people took up clay shooting for the first time ever, just in case they had to make their house look less attractive than their neighbours.
Thing is learning to shoot and actually shooting someone are entirety different things.There are people out there who exist purely by taking whatever they want off others sometimes by force.
Pretty much everyone on here isn't that sort of person and isn't going to change overnight.
matrignano said:
I’m far, far away from being a prepper, but l love the idea, if I ever manage to build or renovate a house, of a hidden room mainly used as a man cave but that could work as a panic room as well.
Anyone’s got something along these lines??
You know we wouldn't tell you if we did?Anyone’s got something along these lines??
jshell said:
Had there been no furlough/free cash during Covid, then we would have seen a lot more unrest, civil disobediance and violent crime. I know a few people took up clay shooting for the first time ever, just in case they had to make their house look less attractive than their neighbours.
See my post a little back in this thread.We had no furlough or free cash.
People were provided some staple foods, via government and charities.
Crime rate, mostly petty stuff anyway, actually dropped.
No discussions, as I recall, on how to defend our properties.
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