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Some Gump said:
Crossflow Kid said:
What about everyone you don't know?
A lot of people, especially those in smaller or shared accommodation rely on virtually a daily resupply.
Course there's also the issue of people "wanting" their favourite products. Just take a look at the totally overwhelming variety of that most basic foodstuff, bread, in your nearest supermarket.
There'd have to be an awful lot of people with no food at all to have a max of 3 days food supply in all of London. 3 days until you ran out of certain items? Maybe. Probably. 3 days until no food left? No chance. Just checked the kitchen. We have 5 or 6 boxes of cerial, plus the weetabix and porridge that lives in jars. It might not be premium, but just brekkie would keep the 3 of us going for 2 weeks if needed. So, to offset _just the breakfast cupboard_, 7 people would need to have no food whatsoever for the 3 days tat to be right. I have other cupboards. There's shops, resteraunts, etc etc.A lot of people, especially those in smaller or shared accommodation rely on virtually a daily resupply.
Course there's also the issue of people "wanting" their favourite products. Just take a look at the totally overwhelming variety of that most basic foodstuff, bread, in your nearest supermarket.
Tl;dr? The 3 day thing is balls.
You say there'd have to be an awful lot of people with no food.......well guess what, there are an awful lot of people in general so it goes without saying that a proportion of them will be hungry and that's where the problem starts.
What you need to also bear in mind is that although you may have plenty of scoff stashed away, others won't have, and they'll happily take yours. With force if they really hungry. It's not just about scuffles in the supermarket aisles.
Plus you also need to consider the effect of panic buying, I mean just look at the last week in the run up to Christmas. I don't subscribe to it but there are mongs running round supermarkets like the world is ending so how would they be if it really was ending?
Some Gump said:
Crossflow Kid said:
What about everyone you don't know?
A lot of people, especially those in smaller or shared accommodation rely on virtually a daily resupply.
Course there's also the issue of people "wanting" their favourite products. Just take a look at the totally overwhelming variety of that most basic foodstuff, bread, in your nearest supermarket.
There'd have to be an awful lot of people with no food at all to have a max of 3 days food supply in all of London. 3 days until you ran out of certain items? Maybe. Probably. 3 days until no food left? No chance. Just checked the kitchen. We have 5 or 6 boxes of cerial, plus the weetabix and porridge that lives in jars. It might not be premium, but just brekkie would keep the 3 of us going for 2 weeks if needed. So, to offset _just the breakfast cupboard_, 7 people would need to have no food whatsoever for the 3 days tat to be right. I have other cupboards. There's shops, resteraunts, etc etc.A lot of people, especially those in smaller or shared accommodation rely on virtually a daily resupply.
Course there's also the issue of people "wanting" their favourite products. Just take a look at the totally overwhelming variety of that most basic foodstuff, bread, in your nearest supermarket.
Tl;dr? The 3 day thing is balls.
Plus I think the comments more about what supermarkets have in reserve - most are continuously re-stocked from out-of-city warehouses, as soon as the distribution fails they'd empty within a few days (and thats without panic buying)
Crossflow Kid said:
5 or 6 boxes of cereal?! Are you running a B&B or something?
You say there'd have to be an awful lot of people with no food.......well guess what, there are an awful lot of people in general so it goes without saying that a proportion of them will be hungry and that's where the problem starts.
What you need to also bear in mind is that although you may have plenty of scoff stashed away, others won't have, and they'll happily take yours. With force if they really hungry. It's not just about scuffles in the supermarket aisles.
Plus you also need to consider the effect of panic buying, I mean just look at the last week in the run up to Christmas. I don't subscribe to it but there are mongs running round supermarkets like the world is ending so how would they be if it really was ending?
You clearly don't have family! 2 are ones I like, 2 are her gluten ones, one the MIL likes when she visits, plus the sugar free ones for the boy. You say there'd have to be an awful lot of people with no food.......well guess what, there are an awful lot of people in general so it goes without saying that a proportion of them will be hungry and that's where the problem starts.
What you need to also bear in mind is that although you may have plenty of scoff stashed away, others won't have, and they'll happily take yours. With force if they really hungry. It's not just about scuffles in the supermarket aisles.
Plus you also need to consider the effect of panic buying, I mean just look at the last week in the run up to Christmas. I don't subscribe to it but there are mongs running round supermarkets like the world is ending so how would they be if it really was ending?
I am aware that in the event of the total breakdown of society, I might not win the fight. However, that's not the claim. The claim I am specifically disputing is the one the other poster already poured custard on when he raised it - that London would run out of food in 3 days. It's just not true. With panic buying etc, the shops might run out after 3 days, but that's not the claim that was made...
Some Gump said:
Crossflow Kid said:
5 or 6 boxes of cereal?! Are you running a B&B or something?
You say there'd have to be an awful lot of people with no food.......well guess what, there are an awful lot of people in general so it goes without saying that a proportion of them will be hungry and that's where the problem starts.
What you need to also bear in mind is that although you may have plenty of scoff stashed away, others won't have, and they'll happily take yours. With force if they really hungry. It's not just about scuffles in the supermarket aisles.
Plus you also need to consider the effect of panic buying, I mean just look at the last week in the run up to Christmas. I don't subscribe to it but there are mongs running round supermarkets like the world is ending so how would they be if it really was ending?
You clearly don't have family! 2 are ones I like, 2 are her gluten ones, one the MIL likes when she visits, plus the sugar free ones for the boy. You say there'd have to be an awful lot of people with no food.......well guess what, there are an awful lot of people in general so it goes without saying that a proportion of them will be hungry and that's where the problem starts.
What you need to also bear in mind is that although you may have plenty of scoff stashed away, others won't have, and they'll happily take yours. With force if they really hungry. It's not just about scuffles in the supermarket aisles.
Plus you also need to consider the effect of panic buying, I mean just look at the last week in the run up to Christmas. I don't subscribe to it but there are mongs running round supermarkets like the world is ending so how would they be if it really was ending?
I am aware that in the event of the total breakdown of society, I might not win the fight. However, that's not the claim. The claim I am specifically disputing is the one the other poster already poured custard on when he raised it - that London would run out of food in 3 days. It's just not true. With panic buying etc, the shops might run out after 3 days, but that's not the claim that was made...
Anyhow, the "Nine meals from anarchy" theory dates back way further than aspirant Chief Constables. It's an Ancient Greek idea IIRC. It's isn't about people going hungry per se or that the food would run out, but about people fighting over what's left when they realise it's running out, or doing similar to get what they want as opposed to what they need.
Crossflow Kid said:
You're making the mistake of assuming everyone lives like you. They don't.
Anyhow, the "Nine meals from anarchy" theory dates back way further than aspirant Chief Constables. It's an Ancient Greek idea IIRC. It's isn't about people going hungry per se or that the food would run out, but about people fighting over what's left when they realise it's running out, or doing similar to get what they want as opposed to what they need.
I deed. Which is why my prep involves having a mostly full larder and living in an area full of pensioners. Anyhow, the "Nine meals from anarchy" theory dates back way further than aspirant Chief Constables. It's an Ancient Greek idea IIRC. It's isn't about people going hungry per se or that the food would run out, but about people fighting over what's left when they realise it's running out, or doing similar to get what they want as opposed to what they need.
That'll get me and the family thrpugh the first few weeks (pensioners but lots of tinned goods and taste liks pork whilst putting up less of a fight than pigs).
One that runs out, it's time to find a protector with a big gun. I can touch my toes, and my arse is tight enough for the prick of anyone who has a big gun...
When I was a kid we'd usually have several power cuts every winter, occasionally lasting several days, and on at least one occasion it took the council snow ploughs a week to reach us after a big snowfall. This has lead me to keeping some candles and torches around the house, and we have a couple of camping stoves in the loft. Any level of "prepping" beyond that I do find a little weird.
Mind you have got a large proportion of the items on this thread but not because I think I'll need them to survive the apocalypse
Mind you have got a large proportion of the items on this thread but not because I think I'll need them to survive the apocalypse
jdw100 said:
Off the grid.
Bugging out.
Two phrases that if someone uses in day to day conversation, especially in the UK, mean you should probably steer clear of them.
I'm finding this all quite entertaining, so will sleep with one eye on this thread.
It's the kind of mental demise that starts with one eye on the phone before shifting to both eyes open 24/7 and a total breakdown that sees a chap depriving his family of limited resources and life opportunity by spending time and money that should be invested in them in living an extreme mental health fantasy. Bugging out.
Two phrases that if someone uses in day to day conversation, especially in the UK, mean you should probably steer clear of them.
I'm finding this all quite entertaining, so will sleep with one eye on this thread.
And in response to 'no one cares for your family like you do'. Well, there's a chap your wife will eventually get to know who will care a lot more than you do.
'Prepping' is understandable in the US as it is a byproduct or rampant consumerism, excessive debt and lifestyles combined with a people of short history who cling to what roots they have through the pioneer movement. Add in massive mental health issues, poor education and a historically weak gene pool and it's easy to see how it has come about. In the UK less so but the root causes are the same, low education, insecurity and an unusual mental disposition.
Nanook said:
5ohmustang said:
Before you buy any of this gear the number 1 prep is to be financially stable. That means getting out of all debt, budgeting, minimizing expenditure and maximising income.
Why?When the economy melts down, your mortgage will disappear!
I'm not even slightly worried
Brother in law produces 8% of the UK's potatoes (circa 18,000,000kg (yup millions of kg) per year. ~1/2mill kg of onions and 2-3million of carrots. plus grain enough to feed all livestock for 2-3 years Also has 100 head of cattle as a hobby. there's 200 sheep somewhere too. backed up with a frightening amount of firearms.
I have a rather excessive booze collection so we've done a deal!
head to Shug's and wait for it all to blow over.
Brother in law produces 8% of the UK's potatoes (circa 18,000,000kg (yup millions of kg) per year. ~1/2mill kg of onions and 2-3million of carrots. plus grain enough to feed all livestock for 2-3 years Also has 100 head of cattle as a hobby. there's 200 sheep somewhere too. backed up with a frightening amount of firearms.
I have a rather excessive booze collection so we've done a deal!
head to Shug's and wait for it all to blow over.
RizzoTheRat said:
When I was a kid we'd usually have several power cuts every winter, occasionally lasting several days, and on at least one occasion it took the council snow ploughs a week to reach us after a big snowfall. This has lead me to keeping some candles and torches around the house, and we have a couple of camping stoves in the loft. Any level of "prepping" beyond that I do find a little weird.
Mind you have got a large proportion of the items on this thread but not because I think I'll need them to survive the apocalypse
This.Mind you have got a large proportion of the items on this thread but not because I think I'll need them to survive the apocalypse
Most people who live in the country already have everything they need to survive quite normally for a week or two in the event of a huge snowfall. Could be easily stretched out to a month or two in an extreme situation. I like to think I live a pretty normal life, by no means any kind of survivalist, but we've got a few acres, grow our own veg, private water supply, a few animals of our own, but in an 'extreme' situation, easy access to a few thousand of our neighbours sheep. All we need extra is some way to protect what we have against the starving hordes like a gun or two... oh wait....
walm said:
DonkeyApple said:
Add in massive mental health issues, poor education and a historically weak gene pool and it's easy to see how it has come about.
Don't hold back. Why not tell the yanks what you really think of them!?vanordinaire said:
This.
Most people who live in the country already have everything they need to survive quite normally for a week or two in the event of a huge snowfall. Could be easily stretched out to a month or two in an extreme situation. I like to think I live a pretty normal life, by no means any kind of survivalist, but we've got a few acres, grow our own veg, private water supply, a few animals of our own, but in an 'extreme' situation, easy access to a few thousand of our neighbours sheep. All we need extra is some way to protect what we have against the starving hordes like a gun or two... oh wait....
And every few days there will be a family from the city who bring out loads of provisions for you. Most people who live in the country already have everything they need to survive quite normally for a week or two in the event of a huge snowfall. Could be easily stretched out to a month or two in an extreme situation. I like to think I live a pretty normal life, by no means any kind of survivalist, but we've got a few acres, grow our own veg, private water supply, a few animals of our own, but in an 'extreme' situation, easy access to a few thousand of our neighbours sheep. All we need extra is some way to protect what we have against the starving hordes like a gun or two... oh wait....
I remember when a topic like this came up last time, someone linked to a preppers website and there was a bloke that had been prepping for a while and lived in one of the areas hit by the New York flooding. Only trouble is his generators and everything else were stored in his basement so he was screwed and I think had to have drinking water and other supplies off his non prepper neighbours.
Prepping is just a cult for men who lack the sexual confidence to join a conventional social cult. When a man's solution is to run off and hide in a hole in the ground living off his own urine and he actually goes to the effort of diverting income away from his family to prepare for doing this then it is clearly a mental health issue.
Humans are social, that is the norm. The best way for humans to survive a significant crisis is by working together rather than all running off to private holes to drink your own pee. This prepping malarkey is simply a byproduct of a society lost in excess, the stresses of urban living and a lack of confidence and excessive fear.
Humans are social, that is the norm. The best way for humans to survive a significant crisis is by working together rather than all running off to private holes to drink your own pee. This prepping malarkey is simply a byproduct of a society lost in excess, the stresses of urban living and a lack of confidence and excessive fear.
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