Train derailed automatically Paddington

Train derailed automatically Paddington

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JeremyH5

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1,569 posts

134 months

Friday 17th June 2016
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Is this a thing now? Train passed a red signal and there is a system that automatically derails it?
No passengers involved apparently but could be surely. Sounds odd to me
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-365550...

Gareth1974

3,408 posts

138 months

Friday 17th June 2016
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Rich1973

1,191 posts

176 months

Friday 17th June 2016
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Catch points have existed for a very long time.

davebem

746 posts

176 months

Friday 17th June 2016
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Catch points are normally there to protect an errant train joining a busier/main line, e.g. if passed a red signal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5EztEPJS8

Edited by davebem on Friday 17th June 10:14

JeremyH5

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1,569 posts

134 months

Friday 17th June 2016
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Ah thanks, I had thought it was on main line; obviously not.

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Saturday 18th June 2016
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JeremyH5 said:
Ah thanks, I had thought it was on main line; obviously not.
It was the link line from Royal oak sidings into Platform one. It's a new(old) shunt that has started to appear on our diagrams. Soon as I heard about us doing the move again I l0oked at my route maps.

This was a PQA1 driver (again!, Plymouth collision was too) 6months from pass out. Apparently A HST was seconds from getting the RA from Plt1 so it stopped a head on and the emergency call stopped all train movements.

We also have catch points at Berwyn sidings, Basingstoke and in Kenney bridge loop and hungerford loop amongst others.



Edited by RemyMartin on Saturday 18th June 14:42

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th June 2016
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RemyMartin said:
It was the link line from Royal oak sidings into Platform one. It's a new(old) shunt that has started to appear on our diagrams. Soon as I heard about us doing the move again I l0oked at my route maps.

This was a PQA1 driver (again!, Plymouth collision was too) 6months from pass out. Apparently A HST was seconds from getting the RA from Plt1 so it stopped a head on and the emergency call stopped all train movements.

We also have catch points at Berwyn sidings, Basingstoke and in Kenney bridge loop and hungerford loop amongst others.
I thought someone else was the chief of technospeak in this forum

DanL

6,177 posts

264 months

Saturday 18th June 2016
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RemyMartin said:
It was the link line from Royal oak sidings into Platform one. It's a new(old) shunt that has started to appear on our diagrams. Soon as I heard about us doing the move again I l0oked at my route maps.

This was a PQA1 driver (again!, Plymouth collision was too) 6months from pass out. Apparently A HST was seconds from getting the RA from Plt1 so it stopped a head on and the emergency call stopped all train movements.

We also have catch points at Berwyn sidings, Basingstoke and in Kenney bridge loop and hungerford loop amongst others.

Edited by RemyMartin on Saturday 18th June 14:42
Not sure what all that means, but I was on the 18:13 train from platform 1. We set out, made it 20-30 feet and then stopped, still in the station. Driver informed us that it was an emergency stop, and that he was waiting more information.

It wasn't an HST, but a 3 carriage (should have been 5) "regular" train. It was supposed to be a fast service - first stop Slough, can't remember the rest as that's where I get off. Took me 4 hours to get home to Windsor that night, what with needed to get back to Slough to pick up the car.

texaxile

3,289 posts

149 months

Saturday 18th June 2016
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I'll have a very poor attempt at translation smile

"It was the link line from Royal oak sidings into Platform one. It's a new(old) shunt that has started to appear on our diagrams. Soon as I heard about us doing the move again I l0oked at my route maps".

It was on a stretch of track from Royal Oak railway sidings (where they store wagons etc) into the running or regularly used piece of track towards Platform one of Paddington. It (the stretch of track) was previously disused or out of use, but still exsisted, but it has recently been brought back into service for either storage or shunting purposes, so RemyMartin took out his old maps to familiarise himself with it as he might be called to enter the sidings in the future.

"This was a PQA1 driver (again!, Plymouth collision was too) 6months from pass out. Apparently A HST was seconds from getting the RA from Plt1 so it stopped a head on and the emergency call stopped all train movements".

It was a probationary driver (guess there) recently passed out. A High Speed Train was seconds from getting the Route Authorisation out of Platform 1 of Paddington, so it stopped a head on collsion. The emergency call stopped all movements within that area (With the new GSMR system, they are equipped with an emergency button which notifies the Signalbox and stops all train movements within that area).

"We also have catch points at Berwyn sidings, Basingstoke and in Kenney bridge loop and hungerford loop amongst others".

There are points which can derail an engine or train at the above areas.

We have them on our infrastructure as well and have been used in anger once, much to the chagrin of the Loco driver at the time who was rather late home for his tea.

HTH, I'm only a lowly shunter so apologies for any mistakes.







RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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My bad. It was the Henley flyer. Indeed lucky it was a 3 car instead of 5 this delayed the train. Otherwise could have been worse.

It was a new driver 6 months out from being allowed to drive on his.

HappyMidget

6,788 posts

114 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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I stand corrected. I too thought it was bks. Bloody stupid positioning though.

legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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RemyMartin said:
My bad. It was the Henley flyer. Indeed lucky it was a 3 car instead of 5 this delayed the train. Otherwise could have been worse.

It was a new driver 6 months out from being allowed to drive on his.
To be fair, even though the first two years post qualified present a slightly raised risk (hence the enhanced post qualified assessments) this can and does happen to drivers of all ages and experiences.

Human factors.

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Sunday 19th June 2016
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legzr1 said:
RemyMartin said:
My bad. It was the Henley flyer. Indeed lucky it was a 3 car instead of 5 this delayed the train. Otherwise could have been worse.

It was a new driver 6 months out from being allowed to drive on his.
To be fair, even though the first two years post qualified present a slightly raised risk (hence the enhanced post qualified assessments) this can and does happen to drivers of all ages and experiences.

Human factors.
agreed.

The closing up signals fitted at Reading station being a clear example of this.

The signal to platform 13 SPAD'd in the space of two weeks by both a newbie 7months experience and a man with 40years.

Even so, there is a monumental amount of incidents on our network 85% are PQA drivers. Not good at all.

TommoAE86

2,659 posts

126 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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RemyMartin said:
The signal to platform 13 SPAD'd in the space of two weeks by both a newbie 7months experience and a man with 40years.

Even so, there is a monumental amount of incidents on our network 85% are PQA drivers. Not good at all.
Sorry is SPAD = running/almost running a red light? nevermind, googled it!

What is the alternative for PQA drivers? Is it longer training? Longer accompanied time? Different routes when you're a PQA - e.g. lower traffic lines for a bit before going anywhere super busy. However surely even branch lines would end up at a busy hub at some point.

Sorry if the above has been covered/is stupid, I'm not in the industry, find it all fascinating though smile

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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In our company. Answer is to make it harder to join and stop employing dozy tts.

Rick101

6,959 posts

149 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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SPAR these days. Keep up old boy.

blueg33

35,577 posts

223 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Why put catch points in a location where the derailed train will hit a pylon supporting overhead cables?

Clearly someone didn't have their thinking hat on that day.


RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Quite simply, catch points location not new. OLE structure is, serious fail in predicting a trains trajectory at 20-25mph.

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Rick101 said:
SPAR these days. Keep up old boy.
Only if it's a cat B, C or D. This is still a SPAD as it was an A

rs1952

5,247 posts

258 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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RemyMartin said:
Rick101 said:
SPAR these days. Keep up old boy.
Only if it's a cat B, C or D. This is still a SPAD as it was an A
Now I am well aware that you two are in the trade now, as it were, whilst I gave it up as a bad job in the 1970s.

But why do you need two different acronyms for a signal passed at danger (or red)?

Surely a SPAD is a SPAD is a SPAD?

At the moment I am being reminded of the motorist who was caught by Plod running a red light:

"I'm sorry about that officer, only I don't live around here"

"I see Sir. What colour are red lights where you live?"

smile