Christians on PH?
Discussion
EnglishTony said:
Is there a Christian site with a Lounge in it with people asking questions about cars?
If the multiverse theory is correct - then yes.I'd like to believe that it is, however, of course firm evidence and proof is required.
You know how it's best to get proper evidence before you 'believe'?
Fundamentalist atheists are just as tedious as hard line Christians, only replace being insufferably smug about the afterlife with being insufferably smug about being "right".
It just makes you look like a petty, pathetic little spoilt brat of a child.
I'm an atheist. I have friends who are religious. We just agree to disagree about such matters instead of acting like wannabe public school debating champs and trying to prove each other wrong all the time.
It just makes you look like a petty, pathetic little spoilt brat of a child.
I'm an atheist. I have friends who are religious. We just agree to disagree about such matters instead of acting like wannabe public school debating champs and trying to prove each other wrong all the time.
Colonial said:
Fundamentalist atheists are just as tedious as hard line Christians, only replace being insufferably smug about the afterlife with being insufferably smug about being "right".
It just makes you look like a petty, pathetic little spoilt brat of a child.
I'm an atheist. I have friends who are religious. We just agree to disagree about such matters instead of acting like wannabe public school debating champs and trying to prove each other wrong all the time.
I would suggest this is not the thread for you then! You can see how it's going to go as soon as the word 'Christian' pops up.It just makes you look like a petty, pathetic little spoilt brat of a child.
I'm an atheist. I have friends who are religious. We just agree to disagree about such matters instead of acting like wannabe public school debating champs and trying to prove each other wrong all the time.
It's okay, I'm sure we all have friends of various persuasions of belief and non-belief. Some of those we'll definitely discuss it with and some we won't.
This, however, is an Internet forum - it's not real life. People will say things on here they wouldn't say to another's face. It's how it works.
I'll put some arguments over and take the mickey out of those with bonkers (to my mind) beliefs. They can respond back, we can all join in....some will get upset but most will realise it's just an Internet forum and not actually that important.
It's fun!
I am, I think. Last time I checked. Not exactly a practicing one.
I'm curious to how many emergency service employees are Christians. Mainly the ones who need to scrape up people from the road, turn off life support for kids sort of stuff.
I'm not here to bash, genuine curiosity for those who deal with death on a (almost) daily basis.
FWIW, any of them I have spoken to are fully in the "lot o pish" camp.
I'm curious to how many emergency service employees are Christians. Mainly the ones who need to scrape up people from the road, turn off life support for kids sort of stuff.
I'm not here to bash, genuine curiosity for those who deal with death on a (almost) daily basis.
FWIW, any of them I have spoken to are fully in the "lot o pish" camp.
Eric Mc said:
Although I don't think the OP wanted a debate as such on this thread. Being PH, he was probably expecting too much.
In reality there have been dozens of quite animated debates on religion on PH so it would be nice if this one didn't descend into a slanging match.
It may be a little late for this but I completely agree.In reality there have been dozens of quite animated debates on religion on PH so it would be nice if this one didn't descend into a slanging match.
Having said that there are many Christians who have a rock solid foundation in their Christian faith, often from an actual experience, meaning that any slagging off is just like water from a ducks back.
2.5pi said:
DrSteveBrule said:
I find Christopher Hitchins truly inspirational when it comes to debating religion. A great knowledge of religion used to fight against religion. Never knew the chap but I'm genuinely sad he's no longer with us.
He's not the force he was sadly http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture...2.5pi said:
I'm not sure who has stepped up to the mark as a successor though, his brutally elegant prose is sadly missed.
Totally agree, they are big boots to fill. Between the three of them Sam Harris, Dawkins and Krause have the knowledge, though none have the rapier reflexes and surgical precision disguised behind a seemingly harmless louche facade.MarshPhantom said:
stuartmmcfc said:
Unfortunately, being persecuted and ridiculed goes with the territory and always has
Are you saying Christians face persecution in the UK in this day and age? Seems like you have it a lot easier than other faiths we could mention.if a similar amount and style of 'humour' were directed towards the Muslim or Jewish faiths, how many people would feel as comfortable with posting in the fashion they have done so far? Further more how long would it be before the comments were branded as either inciting racial / religious hatred, or being anti-Semitic?
Goaty Bill 2 said:
MarshPhantom said:
stuartmmcfc said:
Unfortunately, being persecuted and ridiculed goes with the territory and always has
Are you saying Christians face persecution in the UK in this day and age? Seems like you have it a lot easier than other faiths we could mention.if a similar amount and style of 'humour' were directed towards the Muslim or Jewish faiths, how many people would feel as comfortable with posting in the fashion they have done so far? Further more how long would it be before the comments were branded as either inciting racial / religious hatred, or being anti-Semitic?
If a non-believing Jew mocked another Jew for believing, would that be anti-Semitic?
Edited by MarshPhantom on Monday 27th June 09:58
Goaty Bill 2 said:
MarshPhantom said:
stuartmmcfc said:
Unfortunately, being persecuted and ridiculed goes with the territory and always has
Are you saying Christians face persecution in the UK in this day and age? Seems like you have it a lot easier than other faiths we could mention.if a similar amount and style of 'humour' were directed towards the Muslim or Jewish faiths, how many people would feel as comfortable with posting in the fashion they have done so far? Further more how long would it be before the comments were branded as either inciting racial / religious hatred, or being anti-Semitic?
If a non-believing Jew mocked another Jew for believing, would that be anti-Semitic?
Edited by MarshPhantom on Monday 27th June 10:12
Serious question time to any believers...
I class myself as an atheist but if I was to experience jesus/god/anything supernatural I would hold my hands up and say ok I've been wrong all along. When I say experience I mean in the cold light of day, fully awake, sober with witnesses.
Would any of you Christians (or anyone religious) be as accepting if there ever was concrete evidence of how the world/universe/life began, disproving everything you've been taught and believed in religion?
I class myself as an atheist but if I was to experience jesus/god/anything supernatural I would hold my hands up and say ok I've been wrong all along. When I say experience I mean in the cold light of day, fully awake, sober with witnesses.
Would any of you Christians (or anyone religious) be as accepting if there ever was concrete evidence of how the world/universe/life began, disproving everything you've been taught and believed in religion?
MarshPhantom said:
I don't think anyone has a problem with Christians. Just believers in general. Christians obviously make up the vast majority of believers in this country and on PH, so wrongly believe they are come in for more criticism than say Zoroastrians.
There is no doubt a good deal of truth in your response. Yet the references generally used are quite specific to the actions of Christian churches and members of those Churches.There have been some references to Jehovah's Witnesses as well, but following a two hour doorstep debate with some visitors to my house on one occasion, I could find no evidence that they are actually "Christian" by any accepted definition.
MarshPhantom said:
If a non-believing Jew mocked another Jew for believing, would that be anti-Semitic?
My understanding of that is, that anti-Semitism is hatred towards Jewish people, irrespective of any actual belief or faith.On that basis I think my question still stands.
Apologies, as that may seem a bit of hair splitting there, but I think the label itself, or more to the point; fear of the label being used, might bring the discussion to a halt rather more quickly.
I will readily concede, that many people who are believers in one faith or another will also use derogatory speech in reference to other faiths.
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