Christians on PH?

[smn159]

princealbert23 said:

agnostic.

Cop out

[daemon]

princealbert23 said:

daemon said:

princealbert23 said:

Aggressive atheism appears to be a whole new religion ironically, with a ready supply of zealots.

Its not a religion its a conclusion.

Quite frankly the fact that grown ups think they have an invisible friend in the sky is bad enough, however to make it other peoples problem by enforcing their religion onto my life is when it starts to get up my nose.

Religion is like a willy. Dont wave it about in public and dont force it down childrens throats.

This thread started as one persons shout-out to others who share his faith. It is as simple as that. To the militant atheists the mere sight of them existing and talking to each other is mere provocation and an invitation to all those stupid 'well what about the dinosaurs etc. how do you prove that......?' The fact that it has been hijacked is testament to the zealotry and evangelism of the anti-believers. Oh and don't think this is another god-squad member with thin skin- I am firmly agnostic.

As i said, dont wave it about in public, and nobody gets outraged.

Simples.

[PBDirector]

FWIW I find the idea that sensible, rational people would believe in a God - in this day and age, with such access to information - absolutely rediculous, nonsensical and often abbhorent.

But... I don't think it's fair that non-Christian people jump into this thread, when the guy started it perfectly civilly and just wanted to create a thread in which he could share his view with other likeminded people.

Just my 2c

[Ossiantoad]

I'm a bit late to the party but in response to the OP and the very first post, yes, I'm a Christian and a car fan. Like to go down to Goodwood once a year, enjoy a track day, spend a bit too much time browsing the PH classifieds.

In general response to some of the other themes that have arisen, with regards to shellfish and polyester, you must remember that context is crucial. A large chunk of the old testament law is Civil Law, specifically for the Israelite nation of that time, three millennia ago. That nation no longer exists and as we are not citizens of that nation the laws no more apply to us than speed limit on British roads applies to a Peruvian driving through Lima.

I'm sure that PH will agree that a law against eating shellfish was pretty sensible for a nation that lived in a desert without access to refrigeration or modern healthcare.

Another very important point. The vast majority of religions in the world (including many that come under the 'Christian'banner) are systems for earning God's favour. Keep our rules, obey our holymen, worship in our buildings, wear our clothes and perform our tasks. If you do then God will be pleased and will reward you when you die.

The teaching of the Bible is fundamentally different. Jesus taught that all men are sinners (and He acknowledged that that is an offensive thing to say to people). We cannot ultimately please God by our own efforts however hard we try and no one ever has. Salvation is a gift, not something we earn. Forgiveness is what we need and that comes through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

The God of the Bible is perfectly holy and cannot allow any sin to go unpunished and therefore Jesus Christ came to Earth, lived a sinless life and then was offered as a sacrifice to pay the price for the sins of His people so that they don't have to.

True Christians therefore try to live good lives, not because they think that will earn them salvation, but in gratitude for the salvation they have already received as a free gift.

Massively offensive? Of course. That's why so many have been killed for saying it. But just because it is offensive that doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Blib]

There are those who believe and have faith in a God. But, see no need to belong to any particular religion.

Of course, that's another discussion entirely.

[coopedup]

Blib said:

Of course, there are those who believe and have faith in a God. But, see no need to belong to any particular religion.

Of course, that's another discussion entirely.

You say A God, surly there is only one true God? Serious BTW.

[Blib]

coopedup said:

Blib said:

Of course, there are those who believe and have faith in a God. But, see no need to belong to any particular religion.

Of course, that's another discussion entirely.

You say A God, surly there is only one true God? Serious BTW.

If you read my post once more, you'll see that your point is moot.

[smn159]

coopedup said:

Blib said:

Of course, there are those who believe and have faith in a God. But, see no need to belong to any particular religion.

Of course, that's another discussion entirely.

You say A God, surly there is only one true God? Serious BTW.

You're saying that because you happen to have been born in the West. A Hindu would no doubt see it differently. Why is he / she wrong and you right?

[anonymous-user]

Ossiantoad said:

But just because it is offensive that doesn't mean it isn't true.

That's a non sequitur. You'll be able to provide evidence then?

[mybrainhurts]

The OP, spotted earlier today.....

[Mopey]

daemon said:

princealbert23 said:

daemon said:

princealbert23 said:

Aggressive atheism appears to be a whole new religion ironically, with a ready supply of zealots.

Its not a religion its a conclusion.

Quite frankly the fact that grown ups think they have an invisible friend in the sky is bad enough, however to make it other peoples problem by enforcing their religion onto my life is when it starts to get up my nose.

Religion is like a willy. Dont wave it about in public and dont force it down childrens throats.

This thread started as one persons shout-out to others who share his faith. It is as simple as that. To the militant atheists the mere sight of them existing and talking to each other is mere provocation and an invitation to all those stupid 'well what about the dinosaurs etc. how do you prove that......?' The fact that it has been hijacked is testament to the zealotry and evangelism of the anti-believers. Oh and don't think this is another god-squad member with thin skin- I am firmly agnostic.

As i said, dont wave it about in public, and nobody gets outraged.

Simples.

But other people's worldview is perfectly acceptable!? Whether that be atheism, humanism whatever.
Or your moral compass/ethical code is allowed but not a Christian view as if we share somehow it's forcing it down people's throats.

There is a serious lack of tolerance to people holding different views and wanting to discuss them. Especially as from a Christian point of view it has serious ramifications if what we say is true.

[anonymous-user]

Mopey said:

Especially as from a Christian point of view it has serious ramifications if what we say is true.

How so?

[Mopey]

desolate said:

Mopey said:

Especially as from a Christian point of view it has serious ramifications if what we say is true.

How so?

I meant the worldview. As in if what we say is true, if what Jesus claimed is true then it's important, and not something that should be swept under the carpet because we have an angry atheist who doesn't tolerate a different opinion to his own.

[anonymous-user]

Mopey said:

I meant the worldview. As in if what we say is true, if what Jesus claimed is true then it's important, and not something that should be swept under the carpet because we have an angry atheist who doesn't tolerate a different opinion to his own.

What are the ramifications? Furious vengeance?

[Mopey]

The just penalty for the hash that humanity has made of the world?

What I wanted to come across was that we should be able to discuss this quite freely and be free to share it with whoever. Just as you are free to share your two pence on the world...

[EnglishTony]

Do any of the Christians here seriously think the Atheists wouldn't have a go at other religious beliefs if some of their adherents turned up here?

Of course they would.

Assuming otherwise is deeply delusional.

Catch 22 there I suspect.

[anonymous-user]

Mopey said:

The just penalty for the hash that humanity has made of the world?

What I wanted to come across was that we should be able to discuss this quite freely and be free to share it with whoever. Just as you are free to share your two pence on the world...

Absolutely.
So you did mean furious vengeance.

Crack on - up you what you think and you won't get punished for me being a heathen.

[Huff]

desolate said:

So you did mean furious vengeance.

Oh, at least quote it correctly; it's 'great vengeance and furious anger', Jules.

[anonymous-user]

Huff said:

Oh, at least quote it correctly; it's 'great vengeance and furious anger', Jules.

OK - sorry was working from memory so I apologise.

Still it's not much to worry about is it?

[Huff]

Other than being 'a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfker before I popped a cap in his ass', no