Christians on PH?

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Nanook said:

MarshPhantom said:

I don't think anyone has a problem with Christians. Just believers in general. Christians obviously make up the vast majority of believers in this country and on PH, so wrongly believe they are come in for more criticism than say Zoroastrians.

If a non-believing Jew mocked another Jew for believing, would that be anti-Semitic?

A what-now?

How does that work?

Jewishness is defined by your birth mother, not your beliefs.

[mhurley]

I've often wondered what makes people "religious", my guess is they are:
a) because their parents were and went through some sort of childhood indoctrination
or
b) they have experienced some sort of nervous breakdown and sought comfort in a particular religion

Is there a 3rd option??

Matt

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Noodle1982 said:

Serious question time to any believers...

I class myself as an atheist but if I was to experience jesus/god/anything supernatural I would hold my hands up and say ok I've been wrong all along. When I say experience I mean in the cold light of day, fully awake, sober with witnesses.

Would any of you Christians (or anyone religious) be as accepting if there ever was concrete evidence of how the world/universe/life began, disproving everything you've been taught and believed in religion?

Does that specific argument not, to some extent I think, presuppose that Christians believe literally the book of Genesis story?
Neither the Church of England (Anglican), nor the Roman Catholic Church makes any such requirement of their congregations.

Certain USA based, especially it appears in the deep south, churches do seem to insist upon this I agree.
Often times these churches also appear to be acting without any guidance from trained priests of any faith (i.e. a graduate of a theological college or university), but are led by 'ministers' of little or no actual qualification.
That may be a bit too broad as an explanation, but it does seem to fit.

[clio007]

Noodle1982 said:

Serious question time to any believers...

I class myself as an atheist but if I was to experience jesus/god/anything supernatural I would hold my hands up and say ok I've been wrong all along. When I say experience I mean in the cold light of day, fully awake, sober with witnesses.

Would any of you Christians (or anyone religious) be as accepting if there ever was concrete evidence of how the world/universe/life began, disproving everything you've been taught and believed in religion?

I do notice a lot of people tend to expect a supernatural/miracle experience to want to have faith in a higher being. With the greatest of respect who do you or think we are that we should receive an experience of such? We are born pooping in our diapers and reliant on others and we grow old pooping in our diapers reliant on others. In between we think we are somebody or something special that we demand a miracle.

If you are looking for a miracle, look at yourself in the mirror. Look at your fingers tips - 7.5 billion people in the world eeach with an individual fingerprint? Look at your eyes and sight you have, with the advancement in technology, we cannot yet replicate an eye.

Regarding your final point, it may be concrete proof now, but what about in 30 or 40 years when we have further advancements in research? That concrete proof may change.

Just my 2 cents on a cold Monday morning. Oh and I am not Christian FYI but I have utmost respect for any person who has a belief in God in the current times.

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mhurley said:

I've often wondered what makes people "religious", my guess is they are:
a) because their parents were and went through some sort of childhood indoctrination
or
b) they have experienced some sort of nervous breakdown and sought comfort in a particular religion

Is there a 3rd option??

Matt

I would imagine that most people adopt the faith of their parents, if they are raised in it's traditions and instruction.
So I think mostly option 'a'.

Option 'b' suggesting a crisis of some kind is probably too strong (though little doubt that this occurs, perhaps even regularly).
I once worked with quite a few white English born Muslims. None noted any incident(s) or issues that moved them to become Muslims. Some at least, had been raised (at least broadly) as Christians.

Some convert to a religion, including Christianity, because they have associated closely with people of said religion, and found themselves admiring the people and their way of life.
So yes, I think there is a 'c'.

[Low Pro]

I'm still here!! Sunday's are a busy day for me 3 church services!!
However I am amazed at the response haha brilliant have loved the banter too, if Jesus drove a car... Have asked that question myself but came down in favour of he would be hitch hiker as he never owned anything material.

Would love to invite you guys to my church, would be a right laugh, I didn't expect quite so many responses though, turns out Christiananty is very popular on PH, even if your not a Christian.

Keep the topic going, try not to throw too much hate at Christians I understand that some of you guys really have a issue with Christ, but ask questions if you really want to know more.

To those asking about other Faiths, I already do outreach to Muslims and Atheists and anyone else but I am interested in reaching those into cars, hence why I'm here....

Keep posting

Low Pro

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Nanook said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Jewishness is defined by your birth mother, not your beliefs.

So if you're born to a Jewish mother, that's it, you're Jewish? You have no say? You cannot convert, or leave?

Equally, no-one can convert to Judaism, you must be born one?

Really?

I am sure there must be many non-practising Jews.

I don't think it is any more possible to stop being Jewish than it is to stop being a White Anglo-Saxon male (if one is one).

As to officially leaving or converting to the Jewish faith, we will have to rely upon someone more expert than myself. Though I am sure Google will provide answers.
I am quite sure people have converted to the faith, but the faith does not actively search out converts in the same way many other faiths do.

[Low Pro]

Noodle1982 said:

Serious question time to any believers...

I class myself as an atheist but if I was to experience jesus/god/anything supernatural I would hold my hands up and say ok I've been wrong all along. When I say experience I mean in the cold light of day, fully awake, sober with witnesses.

Would any of you Christians (or anyone religious) be as accepting if there ever was concrete evidence of how the world/universe/life began, disproving everything you've been taught and believed in religion?

It's hard to answer your second question but the life of the Christian is based upon Gods word, aka the Bible.
However in answering the first question is a little more easy,
Pharisees would ask the same question of Jesus, we would believe with some kind of miracle, however it was a attude of the heart that stopped them from believing.

A good place to start with any interest in Christ is the Gospel of John, you can read it for free here:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+...

[AW111]

mybrainhurts said:

What sort of car would Jesus drive?

Seeing as he was a chippy (in his day job), a Hilux ute would fit the bill.

[AH33]

I'm a Satanist

[Eric Mc]

AH33 said:

I'm a Satanist

You can go to hell

(Presumably that's your ambition )

[Simon Brooks]

mybrainhurts said:

trickywoo said:

I fear the Jesus spring when I'm working on cars if that helps.

Is that like the Arab Spring, only Jewish?

Only Arab Spring I know of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkKunAUkPS4

[AW111]

As for the OP, I am another christian on here.

The "sky fairy" stuff does get a bit tedious and facile, so I generally don't bother reacting.

For the record, I find Dawkins' militant and pompous atheism just as annoying as the Mormons and JW's.

[308mate]

I wonder if because an enthusiasm for machines such as cars usually entails a basic understanding of physics and therefore an acceptance of science, its hard to reconcile with belief in holy ghosts etc?

I'm an atheist, leaning towards agnostic, really. And yet I have deities on my desk at work in the form of Valentino Rossi trinkets, I followed the word of Peter Brock and other of my motorsport heroes and most Sundays I spend an hour just watching and absorbing motorsport of various types because it brings me comfort, I identify with it and I believe in its principles. So I have to conclude that I am as religious as anyone else and instead think harder about how exactly to define religion.

[andrewrob]

Low Pro said:

if Jesus drove a car... Have asked that question myself but came down in favour of he would be hitch hiker as he never owned anything material.


Keep posting

Low Pro

Surely something on PCP would work?

Another one here, and quite a few of my friends from church are petrol heads too.
Have just come back from a christian event and there was a nice lineup of cars on display, so we don't all drive boring stuff like Peugeot 307s and Vauxhall Zafiras (although most seem to)

[Civpilot]

NeMiSiS said:

Not sure, but 40 virgins sounds good.

Be careful with that one... pretty sure the sex of the 40 virgins is not actually specified

[AH33]

Eric Mc said:

You can go to hell

(Presumably that's your ambition )

Interesting. Where's that then?

[andrewrob]

NeMiSiS said:

andrewrob said:

Surely something on PCP would work?

Another one here, and quite a few of my friends from church are petrol heads too.
Have just come back from a christian event and there was a nice lineup of cars on display, so we don't all drive boring stuff like Peugeot 307s and Vauxhall Zafiras (although most seem to)

What is a Christian event - tell me more, please.

It's all on here http://thegatheringformen.com/

[Eric Mc]

AH33 said:

Eric Mc said:

You can go to hell

(Presumably that's your ambition )

Interesting. Where's that then?

Being a Satanist, I was sure you'd have done all the research.

[Turquoise]

andrewrob said:

It's all on here http://thegatheringformen.com/

An ambiguous name for an event...