Christians on PH?

[julian64]

Low Pro said:

Thanks to those who have posted, cant help but find it funny how this topic has attracted far more non believers, just a note if you do want to know more about the hope Christians have in Christ and why let me know

You aren't answering the obvious question which has attracted the comments. Why do you need a Christian to talk about cars with when you are on a internet forum full of car enthusiasts. It isn't like Jesus had an opinion on them to link to.

Its also interesting you think people who have made these comments are non-believers.

So you make a very odd post which is akin to saying something like I'm heterosexual and like cars, are there any other heterosexuals out there who like cars and would like to meet up. And then you find it funny when people comment on this and assume they are all non heterosexuals.

Its an odd post and an even odder reaction to the obvious question you have posed.

[Mopey]

Mr. H said:

Another one here.

If anyone has questions or wants to know a bit more then a good book I can recommend is Tim Keller: The Reason for God.
It goes through the most common objections to Christianity and talks about them and the Christian perspective on each. Reading it may not change your opinion but it will help you to better understand both why people don't believe and why people do believe.

+1 on Keller. And contrary to some of the posts this is a man with very high intelligence and hasn't as far as I know had a nervous breakdown that has led to his faith... In fact he might even be considered a regular bloke!

[Low Pro]

Cupradupra said:

Northern Irish Christian here!

Glad to see a topic on this and great to see so many other Christians replying!

Over here we have churches that organise Car Meets with BBQ's etc and use that as a great way to meet other Christians who love cars and Jesus. It's also a great for outreach as many people who aren't Christians come along and have a great time.

In my church, we have plenty of petrolheads - One with a nice XKr, Range Rover Overfinch, CLA AMG, myself with my 208 GTi to name but a few!

As it has been mentioned before on this topic regarding persecution and making fun of Christians, if it were a topic on homosexual people who love cars or Muslims who love cars, etc and people went on and posted as they have here, it wouldn't be too long before the thread was closed and users were banned...

To those Christians who have posted, good on you!

That's brilliant!!! I would love to organise that for my church, the thing is the CofE which I am part of, has no blokes my age and statistically the 20-30 male age group is the lowest it ever has been in church, and I see that PH is a good tool for outreach. It's encouraging tho to read posts like yours cheers!!

[Low Pro]

[quote=ciege]Christian here...

Once a TVR owner
Once a Landrover Series owner
Once a Reliant Scimitar owner/quote]

You must have walked to church then ;-)

Thanks again for the posts guys

Quick note for those who have questions about the Old Testament, when you read OT scripture you need to see it in the light of Jesus and the cross because he came to fulfill the law of the OT.

Better to ask questions about the Gospels.... Easier to answer ;-) lol

Keep posting all in good spirit (pardon the pun)

[Low Pro]

julian64 said:

Low Pro said:

Thanks to those who have posted, cant help but find it funny how this topic has attracted far more non believers, just a note if you do want to know more about the hope Christians have in Christ and why let me know

You aren't answering the obvious question which has attracted the comments. Why do you need a Christian to talk about cars with when you are on a internet forum full of car enthusiasts. It isn't like Jesus had an opinion on them to link to.

Its also interesting you think people who have made these comments are non-believers.

So you make a very odd post which is akin to saying something like I'm heterosexual and like cars, are there any other heterosexuals out there who like cars and would like to meet up. And then you find it funny when people comment on this and assume they are all non heterosexuals.

Its an odd post and an even odder reaction to the obvious question you have posed.

I read this twice and still don't get it, but I did explain that there are not many Christians into cars, although I have been proved wrong here, but also I like telling people about Christ and this is exactly that!!!!

[Cupradupra]

Low Pro said:

That's brilliant!!! I would love to organise that for my church, the thing is the CofE which I am part of, has no blokes my age and statistically the 20-30 male age group is the lowest it ever has been in church, and I see that PH is a good tool for outreach. It's encouraging tho to read posts like yours cheers!!

This wasn't organised for just the church, they had flyers made and promoted it on Facebook and stuff! I would say that 75% of the people who turned up had nothing to do with church. Maybe set up a few prizes for cleanest car, car of the show, most modified etc...

If you can, rope in a few people who have something exotic to come and display - This church contacted a specialist 2nd hand dealership to come and display a few cars....Aerial Atom, 911 GT3 and stuff! Made for a great day!

It's now a yearly thing and gets bigger every year!

[Digger]

Should this be moved to the Classifieds?

[kowalski655]

Eric Mc said:

Agree with practically everything in that list - apart from your choice of cars.

Well with that list, no wonder he started praying..if only just to actually get home

[TwigtheWonderkid]

MarshPhantom said:

If a non-believing Jew mocked another Jew for believing, would that be anti-Semitic?

Edited by MarshPhantom on Monday 27th June 09:58

I doubt mockery in general counts as anti Semitism. Certainly mocking Judaism isn't. A religion is not a person, it's an organisation. I can mock Judaism, Islam, Christianity etc. just as I can mock the BBC or British Gas.

When it comes to mocking people re their beliefs, it would depend on how the mockery was conducted. If it was hateful or encouraged hatred or violence, then that's not on. If it's just laughing at someone's beliefs, that's perfectly legal.

Life of Brian and Book of Mormon being examples of the latter.

With the freedom to worship how you want comes the freedom of others to mock you. That's the price you pay for religious freedom. A point sadly lost on some British Muslims I think.

[Eric Mc]

kowalski655 said:

Eric Mc said:

Agree with practically everything in that list - apart from your choice of cars.

Well with that list, no wonder he started praying..if only just to actually get home

Absolutely - divine encouragement would have been needed.

We all know God drives a Caterham anyway.

[DonkeyApple]

Adam B said:

Low Pro said:

This is Slightly obscure and I know some people may wish hate on me, but oh well.
I was wondering out of all the population of PH are there any Christians who are both follows of Christ and lovers of cars?? I work for a church in London but Christians who are seriously into cars are a rare find. If you are the above please post, maybe we could arrange a meet

Why can't you meet people who are Muslim or atheists and chat about cars?

Maybe he just doesn't like Mercs or Toyotas?

Anyway, as both a TVR and Land Rover owner I probably pray to God more often than the average vicar and shout 'Jesus Christ' louder than any evangelist.

[SpeckledJim]

andrewrob said:

It's all on here http://thegatheringformen.com/

Surely that's not real? Some bishop somewhere has decided the church needs to connect with the common man?

"bunch of guys"

"cool cars"

"scalextric"

"make top ten lists"

"hanging out with a ton of blokes"

"in a field near Swindon"


...have I been trolled?

[smn159]

Mopey said:

DrSteveBrule said:

Low Pro said:

I understand that some of you guys really have a issue with Christ, but ask questions if you really want to know more.

I've got a question:

If we were eating lunch and you started to choke on some food, would you want me to carry out the Heimlich manoeuvre or pray?

Just because you have a belief that God can heal you so therefore pray, It doesn't mean switching off your head. Of course you would use the heimlich manoeuvre if someone choked.
Just as if I'm ill I will see the doctor it might be that by those means I get better. I will pray also, but it's not exclusively one or the other.

But why would you pray? Studies of intercessory prayer show that it has at best no effect and at worse a negative effect on the subject, assuming that they know that they are being prayed for, and so is ultimately a selfish act.

[Goaty Bill 2]

DrSteveBrule said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

DrSteveBrule said:

I've got a question:

If we were eating lunch and you started to choke on some food, would you want me to carry out the Heimlich manoeuvre or pray?

I think this sort of question stems more from television dramas than reality, but accepting that the question certainly has come up in the real world.
The precept being that a Christian will pray for God to heal him rather than accept treatment from a doctor? ]

No, the point being who has the greater power. I, an antitheist, would be physically able to save a life but if their god is merciful and omnipresent a quick prayer by the choking person should be enough right? I shouldn't need to intervene.

This could lead onto a discussion on creation vs evolution and why, if we were created, do we have such a faliable system for breathing and eating...

Out of curiosity, do you specifically use "antitheist" which presumably indicates antitheism, as actively opposing religion (or a specific religion) compared to atheism, being simply a lack or absence of belief?


Some people believe that God does or should directly intervene with day to day life.
Others simply accept that free will and fate take the greater part, whether they believe in a specific faith or not.

I might respond with "why would anyone think that a God would agree to perform 'tricks' on command?".

It might also lead us to ask; if God directly intervened in every moment of every life, what point would there be to being a person as compared to an animal?
It would effectively remove free will, choice, and even the need or desire to reason.

[Goaty Bill 2]

DonkeyApple said:

Anyway, as both a TVR and Land Rover owner I probably pray to God more often than the average vicar and shout 'Jesus Christ' louder than any evangelist.

There are no atheists in a poorly behaving TVR

[irish boy]

Cupradupra said:

Northern Irish Christian here!

Glad to see a topic on this and great to see so many other Christians replying!

Over here we have churches that organise Car Meets with BBQ's etc and use that as a great way to meet other Christians who love cars and Jesus. It's also a great for outreach as many people who aren't Christians come along and have a great time.

In my church, we have plenty of petrolheads - One with a nice XKr, Range Rover Overfinch, CLA AMG, myself with my 208 GTi to name but a few!

As it has been mentioned before on this topic regarding persecution and making fun of Christians, if it were a topic on homosexual people who love cars or Muslims who love cars, etc and people went on and posted as they have here, it wouldn't be too long before the thread was closed and users were banned...

To those Christians who have posted, good on you!

Same here! Shankill church of Ireland. Where do you go? Couple of superb church car shows in lurgan that are attended by a wide section of people on both sides of the community.

[SpeckledJim]

Cupradupra said:

Northern Irish Christian here!

Glad to see a topic on this and great to see so many other Christians replying!

Over here we have churches that organise Car Meets with BBQ's etc and use that as a great way to meet other Christians who love cars and Jesus. It's also a great for outreach as many people who aren't Christians come along and have a great time.

In my church, we have plenty of petrolheads - One with a nice XKr, Range Rover Overfinch, CLA AMG, myself with my 208 GTi to name but a few!

As it has been mentioned before on this topic regarding persecution and making fun of Christians, if it were a topic on homosexual people who love cars or Muslims who love cars, etc and people went on and posted as they have here, it wouldn't be too long before the thread was closed and users were banned...

To those Christians who have posted, good on you!

How does a God-fearing Christian sleep at night having spent £100,000 on a car, when a malaria net is £2.50 and saves lives?

Aren't they honestly worried about justifying decisions like that to St Peter?

[skeggysteve]

My school vicar was a proper petrolhead - he owned 2 Morgan three wheelers and five (yes five, check out the prices of them!) Brought Superior motor bikes.

He held Morgan club meeting on the vicarage paddock - I remember one Saturday evening about 11pm, lots of his home brew having been drunk he said - 'If you didn't want to come to the Sunday service it's your loss not mine', needless to say everyone went!

RIP Mike.

[Pints]

Checking in. Although I'm a truly awful one.

Always trying to do better though.

[anonymous-user]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Out of curiosity, do you specifically use "antitheist" which presumably indicates antitheism, as actively opposing religion (or a specific religion) compared to atheism, being simply a lack or absence of belief?

Correct; extra ordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and as yet there is none to indicate any sort of divine entity. If there was (for any religion, not just Christianity) it would be presented at any given opportunity.

I accept that people believe but I don't for a second think that what they claim exists does, or what they claimed happened to iron-age, illiterate Middle-Eastern shepherds really happened.

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Some people believe that God does or should directly intervene with day to day life. Others simply accept that free will and fate take the greater part, whether they believe in a specific faith or not.

That sounds a little like deism; a creative force who made things then let it run it's course. Still not provable but a more palatable concept than an ever-present being who can read your every private thought throughout your entire life and continues to watch you for eternity when you're dead. And seemingly punish you for mere thought-crimes. All the time demanding unfailing devotion and constant praise. Sounds great.

Goaty Bill 2 said:

I might respond with "why would anyone think that a God would agree to perform 'tricks' on command?".

If a god wanted anyone to believe all they would have to do is perform some small, significant 'miracle' on a personal level. Trouble is that people who do claim to hear the voice of God in their head quite often turn out to be psychopaths. I find it odd that 2000 years ago miracles of great importance were happening all the time, yet since the advent of radio, TV, newspapers, emails, camera-phones etc. there's been nothing.

Goaty Bill 2 said:

It might also lead us to ask; if God directly intervened in every moment of every life, what point would there be to being a person as compared to an animal? It would effectively remove free will, choice, and even the need or desire to reason.

He doesn't need to intervene in the life of the converted; they live in a state of fear an oppression and even thinking there might be no god or even that there might be another god is a sin. There is no free will or choice; it's a celestial North Korea (to quote Hitchins). Reasoning is the last thing religious people are happy to do! Their claims do not stand up to any significant reasoning what so ever.