Christians on PH?
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Some Gump said:
What the f
k is wrong with you s?
I'm an athiest. OP is a Christian. I have no desire to change his beliefs - why would I? It doesn't affect me one jot.
Athiests preaching that Atheism is the one true god is just as wky as any other belief preaching. Have a word with yourselves, some of you - you're acting like tts.
Ah, "it doesnt affect me" - "sure what harm does religion do?"k is wrong with you s?I'm an athiest. OP is a Christian. I have no desire to change his beliefs - why would I? It doesn't affect me one jot.
Athiests preaching that Atheism is the one true god is just as w
ky as any other belief preaching. Have a word with yourselves, some of you - you're acting like tts.Christianity is the religion of this country.
Religion affects me daily.
Children are brainwashed from birth by religion, it removes free choice.
Christianity has been responsible for some of the greatest horrors the world has seen since its inception, not least the dark ages. Religion and specifically christianity has set humanity back hundreds of years in development.
Millions upon millions of people have died because of the Catholic churchs refusal to condone the use of condoms in third world AIDS stricken Africa.
Religion prevents free thinking.
Religion prevents people from living their lives, based on false promises of a better life to come.
Religion is the cause of most of the wars in the world today.
Religion has an irrational hatred of homosexuality
Christianity, Islam and Judaism all embody bizarre animal sacrifice rituals in their holy texts and thus involve animal cruelty to this day.
And finally, for clarification - atheism isnt a religion, its a conclusion.
In fact, atheism is a tag used by religions to describe the unreligious. I dont need a tag thanks - i'm a regular person. They're the ones with the problem - not me.
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Some Gump said:
What the fk is wrong with you s?
I'm an athiest. OP is a Christian. I have no desire to change his beliefs - why would I? It doesn't affect me one jot.
Athiests preaching that Atheism is the one true god is just as wky as any other belief preaching. Have a word with yourselves, some of you - you're acting like tts.
Agree strongly.k is wrong with you s?I'm an athiest. OP is a Christian. I have no desire to change his beliefs - why would I? It doesn't affect me one jot.
Athiests preaching that Atheism is the one true god is just as w
ky as any other belief preaching. Have a word with yourselves, some of you - you're acting like tts.For what its worth, I don't know what I believe in, I certainly think there is more to people than being bags of meat governed by electrical or chemical impulses and I believe that different levels of existence are a possibility (infinite number of universes and all that). I also believe that, even though we like to convince ourselves otherwise, that what we don't know about life, the universe and everything vastly outweighs what we do know so the possibilities are endless.
Am I deluded... maybe, I prefer to think of it as open minded. I consider myself a Christian in how I go about living my life because I try to live by the simple ethos of 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you', I don't do this as an offering to God or anything its just how I choose to live as the world has enough people trying to make life harder or hating people for various reasons. I prefer to respect and be respected.
I think the philosophy that Jesus brought to Earth, based on what is in the Bible is a good thing, over the past 2000 years some of mankind and the human organisation of the church has corrupted this for their own needs. But cut through all the crap and the fundamental message of Christianity and a Christian way of life is still valid today.
To all those atheists, It takes as much faith on your part to believe in the THEORY of Evolution and Faith in the other theories.
In our day and age with the technology we have, you would think someone would have been able to have proven evolution and thus there being no God. Still there is only theories.
Take the "Big Bang" Theory for example, that one day there was a huge explosion and there just happened to be a planet that had conditions just so perfect that we were able to exist. Ever so slightly closer to the sun and we would just burn and die, ever so slightly further away from the sun and we would just freeze and die.
When has anyone out there ever seen a massive explosion create anything so perfect and finely balanced. Lets take for example the last few Big Bangs/Explosions we have heard about.....
Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
The Bible tells us that we only have to look around us to see proof that He exists.
In our day and age with the technology we have, you would think someone would have been able to have proven evolution and thus there being no God. Still there is only theories.
Take the "Big Bang" Theory for example, that one day there was a huge explosion and there just happened to be a planet that had conditions just so perfect that we were able to exist. Ever so slightly closer to the sun and we would just burn and die, ever so slightly further away from the sun and we would just freeze and die.
When has anyone out there ever seen a massive explosion create anything so perfect and finely balanced. Lets take for example the last few Big Bangs/Explosions we have heard about.....
Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
The Bible tells us that we only have to look around us to see proof that He exists.
shakotan said:
Which is another cop-out.
"Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
You're right, it's not an Easter egg hunt. The trees, sky, rain, sun, mountains, seas etc are all in plain sight. I only have to look at them and see the immense detail in even the smallest leaves of the smallest trees, to see that my God Created these things so perfectly."Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
Cupradupra said:
When has anyone out there ever seen a massive explosion create anything so perfect and finely balanced. Lets take for example the last few Big Bangs/Explosions we have heard about.....
Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
The Bible tells us that we only have to look around us to see proof that He exists.
I think that is what is called a non-sequitur.Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
The Bible tells us that we only have to look around us to see proof that He exists.
Cupradupra said:
shakotan said:
Which is another cop-out.
"Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
You're right, it's not an Easter egg hunt. The trees, sky, rain, sun, mountains, seas etc are all in plain sight. I only have to look at them and see the immense detail in even the smallest leaves of the smallest trees, to see that my God Created these things so perfectly."Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
That God's perfect creation too?
Is cancer God's 'perfect' creation?
Cupradupra said:
To all those atheists, It takes as much faith on your part to believe in the THEORY of Evolution and Faith in the other theories.
In our day and age with the technology we have, you would think someone would have been able to have proven evolution and thus there being no God. Still there is only theories.
Take the "Big Bang" Theory for example, that one day there was a huge explosion and there just happened to be a planet that had conditions just so perfect that we were able to exist. Ever so slightly closer to the sun and we would just burn and die, ever so slightly further away from the sun and we would just freeze and die.
When has anyone out there ever seen a massive explosion create anything so perfect and finely balanced. Lets take for example the last few Big Bangs/Explosions we have heard about.....
Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
The Bible tells us that we only have to look around us to see proof that He exists.
You NEED to go and check what the word theory means in a scientific context before you go any further down this deeply embarrassing road.In our day and age with the technology we have, you would think someone would have been able to have proven evolution and thus there being no God. Still there is only theories.
Take the "Big Bang" Theory for example, that one day there was a huge explosion and there just happened to be a planet that had conditions just so perfect that we were able to exist. Ever so slightly closer to the sun and we would just burn and die, ever so slightly further away from the sun and we would just freeze and die.
When has anyone out there ever seen a massive explosion create anything so perfect and finely balanced. Lets take for example the last few Big Bangs/Explosions we have heard about.....
Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
The Bible tells us that we only have to look around us to see proof that He exists.
Evolution is proven. The Theory of Evolution has never been contradicted. Nothing we know doesn't fit with Evolution.
The Big Bang was many billions of years before gravity created the planet (s) from stardust. That's how it is such a nice round shape. It doesn't have much to do with explosions in airports. You plonker.
Cupradupra said:
To all those atheists, It takes as much faith on your part to believe in the THEORY of Evolution and Faith in the other theories.
In our day and age with the technology we have, you would think someone would have been able to have proven evolution and thus there being no God. Still there is only theories.
Take the "Big Bang" Theory for example, that one day there was a huge explosion and there just happened to be a planet that had conditions just so perfect that we were able to exist. Ever so slightly closer to the sun and we would just burn and die, ever so slightly further away from the sun and we would just freeze and die.
When has anyone out there ever seen a massive explosion create anything so perfect and finely balanced. Lets take for example the last few Big Bangs/Explosions we have heard about.....
Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
The Bible tells us that we only have to look around us to see proof that He exists.
The thing with the scientific approach is that you have a theory, then as understanding changes or more evidence becomes available you change or discard that theory if it proven incorrect. It may be proven correct. It's not a fixed thing. In our day and age with the technology we have, you would think someone would have been able to have proven evolution and thus there being no God. Still there is only theories.
Take the "Big Bang" Theory for example, that one day there was a huge explosion and there just happened to be a planet that had conditions just so perfect that we were able to exist. Ever so slightly closer to the sun and we would just burn and die, ever so slightly further away from the sun and we would just freeze and die.
When has anyone out there ever seen a massive explosion create anything so perfect and finely balanced. Lets take for example the last few Big Bangs/Explosions we have heard about.....
Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
The Bible tells us that we only have to look around us to see proof that He exists.
Religion is the opposite. You start with the answers then ignore evidence that they may not be 100%. That's called faith.
The earth is in the best position for us, as we have evolved to take advantage of the conditions. If the earth was slightly closer to the sun we may have evolved differently or not at all.
It's possible (likely even, given the sheer number of planets out there) that life has evolved on other planets. It may be extremely different to what we have here due to the conditions it exists in.
From my fairly limited understanding the big bang theory came about because the universe was seen to be expanding from a single location. It's a theory that fits our current knowledge, again as more information becomes available the theory may change. Or we might never find out.
It's not like there was a large explosion and out of it came fully formed worlds. The earth is around 4.5 billion years old according to current knowledge, that's enough time for things to change quite a bit.
Cupradupra said:
shakotan said:
Which is another cop-out.
"Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
You're right, it's not an Easter egg hunt. The trees, sky, rain, sun, mountains, seas etc are all in plain sight. I only have to look at them and see the immense detail in even the smallest leaves of the smallest trees, to see that my God Created these things so perfectly."Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
If you didn't have some critical appraisal of them all before choosing, you realise you've probably picked the wrong one, don't you.
And if you did get it wrong...burny burny.
shakotan said:
Cupradupra said:
shakotan said:
Which is another cop-out.
"Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
You're right, it's not an Easter egg hunt. The trees, sky, rain, sun, mountains, seas etc are all in plain sight. I only have to look at them and see the immense detail in even the smallest leaves of the smallest trees, to see that my God Created these things so perfectly."Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
That God's perfect creation too?
Is cancer God's 'perfect' creation?
Sickness in all it's forms is a result of the fall of man and our sin.
But hey, I don't intend to get into an argument. As a sinner saved by God's Grace, who still struggles every day to live up to God's standards, a Christian who will never meet God's standards I like to think of it this way:
If you're right and I'm wrong, so what, when I die, that will be the end of it all. I'll have lived a thoroughly enjoyable life, enjoying cars, sports, and the other things I enjoy, while going to Church on Sunday and Trying my best to please God. BUT, If i'm right and you're wrong, the consequences will be so much worse.
Cupradupra said:
shakotan said:
Cupradupra said:
shakotan said:
Which is another cop-out.
"Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
You're right, it's not an Easter egg hunt. The trees, sky, rain, sun, mountains, seas etc are all in plain sight. I only have to look at them and see the immense detail in even the smallest leaves of the smallest trees, to see that my God Created these things so perfectly."Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
That God's perfect creation too?
Is cancer God's 'perfect' creation?
Sickness in all it's forms is a result of the fall of man and our sin.
But hey, I don't intend to get into an argument. As a sinner saved by God's Grace, who still struggles every day to live up to God's standards, a Christian who will never meet God's standards I like to think of it this way:
If you're right and I'm wrong, so what, when I die, that will be the end of it all. I'll have lived a thoroughly enjoyable life, enjoying cars, sports, and the other things I enjoy, while going to Church on Sunday and Trying my best to please God. BUT, If i'm right and you're wrong, the consequences will be so much worse.
d if you believe that...Cupradupra said:
shakotan said:
Cupradupra said:
shakotan said:
Which is another cop-out.
"Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
You're right, it's not an Easter egg hunt. The trees, sky, rain, sun, mountains, seas etc are all in plain sight. I only have to look at them and see the immense detail in even the smallest leaves of the smallest trees, to see that my God Created these things so perfectly."Where is the proof?"
"Oh, it's everywhere, you just have to find it..."
It's not an Easter Egg hunt.
That God's perfect creation too?
Is cancer God's 'perfect' creation?
Sickness in all it's forms is a result of the fall of man and our sin.
But hey, I don't intend to get into an argument. As a sinner saved by God's Grace, who still struggles every day to live up to God's standards, a Christian who will never meet God's standards I like to think of it this way:
If you're right and I'm wrong, so what, when I die, that will be the end of it all. I'll have lived a thoroughly enjoyable life, enjoying cars, sports, and the other things I enjoy, while going to Church on Sunday and Trying my best to please God. BUT, If i'm right and you're wrong, the consequences will be so much worse.
Cupradupra said:
To all those atheists, It takes as much faith on your part to believe in the THEORY of Evolution and Faith in the other theories.
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Some at-best misguided, though mostly ludicrous thoughts there. Let's go through them.
Cupradupra said:
To all those atheists, It takes as much faith on your part to believe in the THEORY of Evolution and Faith in the other theories.
Correct - theories; that's all science is. Science never says anything 100% correct but based on testable and falsifiable studies, it presents the most likely answer, given the EVIDENCE available. And it keeps searching and trying to prove itself wrong in the quest to get closer to the answer. Religion draws a line under what it doesn't understand or couldn't explain thousands of years ago (going far back as the pre-christian times) and satisfies itself by saying 'Invisible person X did it'.Cupradupra said:
Take the "Big Bang" Theory for example, that one day there was a huge explosion and there just happened to be a planet that had conditions just so perfect that we were able to exist. Ever so slightly closer to the sun and we would just burn and die, ever so slightly further away from the sun and we would just freeze and die.
The planet didn't just happen. You choose to ignore millions and millions and millions of years that it took for the planets to form. The reason there is life on this planet is precisely because the conditions allowed it. And even then life on earth only fills a narrow band. We live on a knife edge of habitable conditions; too far north or south it's freezing; too close to the equator and it's too hot. Also the source of energy and light which supports life also causes cancer if we stay out it too long. Life thrived because of the conditions; the conditions for life weren't predetermined.Cupradupra said:
When has anyone out there ever seen a massive explosion create anything so perfect and finely balanced. Lets take for example the last few Big Bangs/Explosions we have heard about.....
Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
This is where you play the straw man to full effect. So you believe there was a massive bang and a perfectly formed sphere popped out and landed the perfect distance from the sun, which was also created instantly by this explosion? I have to ask, did you go to school? And this explosion was no different to that carried out using incendiary materials in a man-made situation designed to destroy life that was surrounding it when they were detonated? As an aside, what do you think drove the bombers to kill innocent people? Religion. Bombs don't kill people - gods do.Just last night, a big explosion, loads of people dead.
A while ago, some big explosions in Brussels Airport, again, people killed, things destroyed.
Huge explosions cause chaos, and destruction.... they don't make perfect conditions for life.
Physicists notion of 'nothing' and the layman's concept of 'nothing' are different. Referring to the first answer, evidence and constant investigation opines that the most likely answer is that the start of everything was a result of this cosmic explosion.
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