911. Do People Actually Believe This S**t?
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scherzkeks said:
Science is science.
Ouch. I don't suppose you have read Roland Barthes ?That's a very cute tautology you came up with...that's new depths, even for you.
I'll make it easier for you:
"In rhetoric, a tautology (from Greek ταὐτός, "the same" and λόγος, "word/idea") is a logical argument constructed in such a way, generally by repeating the same concept or assertion using different phrasing or terminology, that the proposition as stated is logically irrefutable, while obscuring the lack of evidence or valid reasoning supporting the stated conclusion"
Sounds appropriate to your case !! Uncanny springs to mind...
Zod said:
nickfrog said:
Zod said:
(He won't answer)
He never does. Have been trying to get him to define "driving god" but to no avail. I wonder why...Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 20th October 23:26
WinstonWolf said:
Zod said:
nickfrog said:
Zod said:
(He won't answer)
He never does. Have been trying to get him to define "driving god" but to no avail. I wonder why...Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 20th October 23:26
The preparation for blowing up a building up is huge, and very destructive in its own right.
But then according to every action film documentary he's ever seen all the bad guys need is a dozen or so small disks, each with a red flashing light or possibly a couple of sticks of dynamite complete with a countdown timer in big LED numbers, which could easily be planted by a 4 man team rappelling down from the roof overnight.
Some people forget that the Rule of Cool doesn't operate too well in real life.
Some people forget that the Rule of Cool doesn't operate too well in real life.
98elise said:
Given that the American Government coundn't cover uo the president getting his dick sicked in the oval office, the possibly that they could secretly rig and blow up 3 occupied buildings in the middle of New York is so remote I would question the intelligence of anyone who thought they could do it.
The preparation for blowing up a building up is huge, and very destructive in its own right.
/\ This, so much this The preparation for blowing up a building up is huge, and very destructive in its own right.
Tango13 said:
98elise said:
Given that the American Government coundn't cover uo the president getting his dick sicked in the oval office, the possibly that they could secretly rig and blow up 3 occupied buildings in the middle of New York is so remote I would question the intelligence of anyone who thought they could do it.
The preparation for blowing up a building up is huge, and very destructive in its own right.
/\ This, so much this The preparation for blowing up a building up is huge, and very destructive in its own right.
I always thought the 911 was a great car , oh sorry , I read the title wrong .
Presidents dick must have been a bit dirty if it was sicked !
But seriously , how could they possibly rig the buildings with explosives in real life , not a movie scene , without others knowing . It could have been built in during construction , but I doubt that's possible , though it would have been a bit of excellent forward planning .
Surely they collapsed because someone flew jets full of fuel into them and no one actually knew how bad this would be ? Maybe the construction firm who built them was cutting corners as they were fixed to a non negotiable price in true pistonheads style .
paulwirral said:
But seriously , how could they possibly rig the buildings with explosives in real life , not a movie scene , without others knowing . It could have been built in during construction , but I doubt that's possible , though it would have been a bit of excellent forward planning .
Surely they collapsed because someone flew jets full of fuel into them and no one actually knew how bad this would be ? Maybe the construction firm who built them was cutting corners as they were fixed to a non negotiable price in true pistonheads style .
and there is a secondary issue, the execution. Even if the building was rigged, it wouldn't be set to automatically triggered when a plane crashed into it, someone would have had to press the big red button. And someone would have had to install said red button etc etc etc...Surely they collapsed because someone flew jets full of fuel into them and no one actually knew how bad this would be ? Maybe the construction firm who built them was cutting corners as they were fixed to a non negotiable price in true pistonheads style .
Ive not joined in these debates as frankly, they are stupid beyond contempt (and I'm not aiming this at you Paul to be 100% clear
)Ive spent many years designing, building, upgrading head office building, critical facilities mostly and the idea that they were rigged without hundreds of people knowing about it is just f
king absurd. There are SO many parties involved, not just in the build, but the commission, the testing, the auditing. The idea that it could be orchestrated by X-Files Cancer Man and his buddies demonstrates that most people cannot separate fiction from reality. ON a building the size of WTC there would have been thousands of people involved, many of which would have had the freedom to wander about the place during construction.The design would have been ratified by dozens of people too, you cannot hide the infrastructure needed to orchestrate such events,
During its lifespan, there would have been a myriad of upgrades, ISTs, pull the plug tests, all of which would have highlighted inconsistencies between what the engineers see and the as-builts, again, hundreds, if not thousands of people with an opportunity to say 'hang on' many years later. Given its criticality, I'm sure the OCC had its people and consultants pour over the place regularly.
Whilst I am sure that despite the misery and anguish 9/11 caused, some will have rubbed their hands with glee with the anticipation of the money they would make out of a war on terror, it was purely opportunistic.
As a last point, regarding critical facilities, certainly to that point they were not deigned to deal with a plane flying in to them. I'm not aware of many even today that do. Risk mitigation is primarily carried out by location, (secrecy) and provision of offsets of the actual building from road, rail, flight paths, flood plains etc. City central buildings mean most of this is nigh on impossible, which is why most large companies cite their most critical operations far, far away from major cities. No building was designed or tested for such events, given the temperature and the variables, it could not have been planned.
I like the X-files, I like conspiracy theories, they are entertaining, but the 9/11 one is just b
ks sorry. And that's all I will say on the matter. Promise. TedMaul said:
when a plane crashed into it
What if the planes were holograms and there was no crash...Or, possibly, it was actually a big cover up conjured up between the Illuminati, George Bush, the media (e.g. Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner) and an insurance company. The planes were actually CGI (all the "witnesses" are just plants) in order to (a) get Iraqi oil fields, (b) get a 2nd term in office, (c) sell more satellite dishes and (d) the buildings all had rising damp so needed knocking down.
Truckosaurus said:
Are there any major conspiracy theories that have turned out to be true?
Plenty. here's one from google.http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-tha...
Lots of alternative news sources out there. Some are clearly tin hatters, but many show a clearly researched and well argued journalism. You can see exactly why the governing few might take a bigger interest in Mr Assange than might be considered normally justifiable...
Not a theorist, far from it, but I don't believe everything I read in the papers..
TedMaul said:
paulwirral said:
But seriously , how could they possibly rig the buildings with explosives in real life , not a movie scene , without others knowing . It could have been built in during construction , but I doubt that's possible , though it would have been a bit of excellent forward planning .
Surely they collapsed because someone flew jets full of fuel into them and no one actually knew how bad this would be ? Maybe the construction firm who built them was cutting corners as they were fixed to a non negotiable price in true pistonheads style .
and there is a secondary issue, the execution. Even if the building was rigged, it wouldn't be set to automatically triggered when a plane crashed into it, someone would have had to press the big red button. And someone would have had to install said red button etc etc etc...Surely they collapsed because someone flew jets full of fuel into them and no one actually knew how bad this would be ? Maybe the construction firm who built them was cutting corners as they were fixed to a non negotiable price in true pistonheads style .
Ive not joined in these debates as frankly, they are stupid beyond contempt (and I'm not aiming this at you Paul to be 100% clear
)Ive spent many years designing, building, upgrading head office building, critical facilities mostly and the idea that they were rigged without hundreds of people knowing about it is just f
king absurd. There are SO many parties involved, not just in the build, but the commission, the testing, the auditing. The idea that it could be orchestrated by X-Files Cancer Man and his buddies demonstrates that most people cannot separate fiction from reality. ON a building the size of WTC there would have been thousands of people involved, many of which would have had the freedom to wander about the place during construction.The design would have been ratified by dozens of people too, you cannot hide the infrastructure needed to orchestrate such events,
During its lifespan, there would have been a myriad of upgrades, ISTs, pull the plug tests, all of which would have highlighted inconsistencies between what the engineers see and the as-builts, again, hundreds, if not thousands of people with an opportunity to say 'hang on' many years later. Given its criticality, I'm sure the OCC had its people and consultants pour over the place regularly.
Whilst I am sure that despite the misery and anguish 9/11 caused, some will have rubbed their hands with glee with the anticipation of the money they would make out of a war on terror, it was purely opportunistic.
As a last point, regarding critical facilities, certainly to that point they were not deigned to deal with a plane flying in to them. I'm not aware of many even today that do. Risk mitigation is primarily carried out by location, (secrecy) and provision of offsets of the actual building from road, rail, flight paths, flood plains etc. City central buildings mean most of this is nigh on impossible, which is why most large companies cite their most critical operations far, far away from major cities. No building was designed or tested for such events, given the temperature and the variables, it could not have been planned.
I like the X-files, I like conspiracy theories, they are entertaining, but the 9/11 one is just b
ks sorry. And that's all I will say on the matter. Promise. Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff