911. Do People Actually Believe This S**t?
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scherzkeks said:
Skyrat said:
The supposed free fall of the twin towers has been explained. Heat weakening the steel causing floors to collapse and pancake down on top of each other. I'm no engineer but it seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation
You might want to research the challenges to that explanation. You might also want to consider that those challenging it forced NIST to both abandon the pancake theory and admit that free-fall speeds occurred. edit: http://www.ae911truth.org/news/faqs.html
Edited by scherzkeks on Monday 22 August 19:37
Read the 2 paragraphs about the design and the collapse.
longshot said:
scherzkeks said:
Skyrat said:
The supposed free fall of the twin towers has been explained. Heat weakening the steel causing floors to collapse and pancake down on top of each other. I'm no engineer but it seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation
You might want to research the challenges to that explanation. You might also want to consider that those challenging it forced NIST to both abandon the pancake theory and admit that free-fall speeds occurred. edit: http://www.ae911truth.org/news/faqs.html
Edited by scherzkeks on Monday 22 August 19:37
Read the 2 paragraphs about the design and the collapse.
Before everyone starts on me I do believe the 9/11 was as we have been told.
However it's funny to read time and time again the abuse people get for even questioning anything apart from the official stance on it and other conspiracies. It's actually a well known tactic to discredit people who question the powers that be.
Do you really believe we, the nice little tax paying pawns are told everything about what's going on? Are we told the real truth? Discredit me as much as you like but I'm not having that.
Look at mk ultra, very interesting stuff, typically which would be deemed great as a conspiracy, except it's not, it actually happened and that was decades ago, what are 'they' doing now if they were doing that then.
However it's funny to read time and time again the abuse people get for even questioning anything apart from the official stance on it and other conspiracies. It's actually a well known tactic to discredit people who question the powers that be.
Do you really believe we, the nice little tax paying pawns are told everything about what's going on? Are we told the real truth? Discredit me as much as you like but I'm not having that.
Look at mk ultra, very interesting stuff, typically which would be deemed great as a conspiracy, except it's not, it actually happened and that was decades ago, what are 'they' doing now if they were doing that then.
There are a few things that don't make sense wt7 for example and the supposed aircraft crash into the pentagon without not one video showing it and the only video shows an explotion no plane, while the hole doesn't look like it has been caused by a plane. Was the towers brought down by the government no it was 2 planes did the government know it was coming yes did they do anything to stop it no.
I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
MG CHRIS said:
There are a few things that don't make sense wt7 for example and the supposed aircraft crash into the pentagon without not one video showing it and the only video shows an explotion no plane, while the hole doesn't look like it has been caused by a plane. Was the towers brought down by the government no it was 2 planes did the government know it was coming yes did they do anything to stop it no.
I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
I like that theory where reptilian overlords are slowly stealing all of the Earth's punctuation. Their home planet is running out and our governments have colluded with them in the theft of punctuation, all for monetary gain.I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
What are your thoughts on this?
MG CHRIS said:
There are a few things that don't make sense wt7 for example and the supposed aircraft crash into the pentagon without not one video showing it and the only video shows an explotion no plane, while the hole doesn't look like it has been caused by a plane. Was the towers brought down by the government no it was 2 planes did the government know it was coming yes did they do anything to stop it no.
1) WTC 7 isn't surprising, its just that few people had heard about it so it was easy for the CT to point at once their WTC 1 & 2 theories had been shot down. 2) plenty of eye witnesses saw the plain hit the pentagon, I've even met one IRL
3) Real life isn't road runner, when a plane hits a solid structure it dosen't leave a nice plane shaped hole. Also the rest of the wall subsequently fell into the hole.
4) Never put down to conspiracy things that can be explained by C**k up. There was plenty of evidence before the attacks, just no one joined the dots in advance, aided by bureaucratic infighting.
The real flaw in the CT is motive - GWB wasn't interested in Afghanistan or AlQueida, he wanted to go after Saddam. So if the US Government was somehow to pull off the biggest false flag operation in history, why were they so incompetent as to leave the fingers pointing at the wrong target?
The trouble with most conspiracy theories is that the require the government to be so competent that they can fool the entire world, so ruthless that any whistleblowers are immediately silenced, yet incompetent enough to leave glaring clues that anyone with a youtube account can immediately spot, and benign enough to let said youtuber live.
Hmm... I can't search meaningfully as the sat broadband here doesn't like pictures, or indeed anything, but I always found the capture and execution of Osama a bit fishy, just the very rapid way in which they 'threw him into the sea'.
Have any conspiracy theories surfaced around this?
For me, from a moderately informed position the death of Dr. David Kelly and the GCHQ guy in London in the hold-all really didn't sit easily.
Have any conspiracy theories surfaced around this?
For me, from a moderately informed position the death of Dr. David Kelly and the GCHQ guy in London in the hold-all really didn't sit easily.
jdw100 said:
MG CHRIS said:
There are a few things that don't make sense wt7 for example and the supposed aircraft crash into the pentagon without not one video showing it and the only video shows an explotion no plane, while the hole doesn't look like it has been caused by a plane. Was the towers brought down by the government no it was 2 planes did the government know it was coming yes did they do anything to stop it no.
I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
I like that theory where reptilian overlords are slowly stealing all of the Earth's punctuation. Their home planet is running out and our governments have colluded with them in the theft of punctuation, all for monetary gain.I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
What are your thoughts on this?
MG CHRIS said:
There are a few things that don't make sense wt7 for example and the supposed aircraft crash into the pentagon without not one video showing it and the only video shows an explotion no plane, while the hole doesn't look like it has been caused by a plane. Was the towers brought down by the government no it was 2 planes did the government know it was coming yes did they do anything to stop it no.
I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
Except the web is littered with pictures of the inside of the Pentagon littered with bits of engine and undercarriage... Movie props, you suppose?I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
http://www.sott.net/signs/Pentagon_Parody.htm
MG CHRIS said:
There are a few things that don't make sense wt7 for example and the supposed aircraft crash into the pentagon without not one video showing it and the only video shows an explotion no plane, while the hole doesn't look like it has been caused by a plane. Was the towers brought down by the government no it was 2 planes did the government know it was coming yes did they do anything to stop it no.
I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
Were you in an advanced state of refreshment when you typed that?I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
.MG CHRIS said:
There are a few things that don't make sense wt7 for example and the supposed aircraft crash into the pentagon without not one video showing it and the only video shows an explotion no plane, while the hole doesn't look like it has been caused by a plane. Was the towers brought down by the government no it was 2 planes did the government know it was coming yes did they do anything to stop it no.
I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
The plane crashing into the Pentagon not being captured was mainly due to old fashioned CCTV and frame rate, in that it happened so quick that one frame was nothing, next frame an explosion . Monitoring CCTV recordings I see similar all the time on things that are a lot slower, let alone a plane crashing.I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
carreauchompeur said:
Hmm... I can't search meaningfully as the sat broadband here doesn't like pictures, or indeed anything, but I always found the capture and execution of Osama a bit fishy, just the very rapid way in which they 'threw him into the sea'.
Have any conspiracy theories surfaced around this?
For me, from a moderately informed position the death of Dr. David Kelly and the GCHQ guy in London in the hold-all really didn't sit easily.
Now that one is at least plausible, only requires a handful of CIA to be able to fake Osama's death and there is an obvious motive to keeping him alive for intelligence but telling the world he is dead, and no way to disprove it.Have any conspiracy theories surfaced around this?
For me, from a moderately informed position the death of Dr. David Kelly and the GCHQ guy in London in the hold-all really didn't sit easily.
Unlike MG Chris' wibbly wobbly b
ks - although it I understand his garage choices betterlongshot said:
Or... http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/ea...
Read the 2 paragraphs about the design and the collapse.
There is plenty to read regarding Eager's opinions on the AE911 site. Read the 2 paragraphs about the design and the collapse.
MG CHRIS said:
There are a few things that don't make sense wt7 for example and the supposed aircraft crash into the pentagon without not one video showing it and the only video shows an explotion no plane, while the hole doesn't look like it has been caused by a plane. Was the towers brought down by the government no it was 2 planes did the government know it was coming yes did they do anything to stop it no.
I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
People who struggle to use punctuation are actually lizards disguised as people.I do like a conspiracy theories the interesting ones not the omg histeriocal mentalist ones they one with the de bears company is interesting take in market and people manipulation also some of the experiments used by the American government on certain communites with illness etc back in 60/70 does open your mind and makes you look outside of what the government and media want you to believe though.
m3jappa said:
However it's funny to read time and time again the abuse people get for even questioning anything apart from the official stance on it...
Intelligence and intellectual curiousity go hand in hand, and I find that the incurious tend to be the only ones hurling abuse. Big deal.There is a lot we don't know, and it is hard to ignore the question of "who benefits" given the state of politics and foreign policy thereafter.
What we do know is that the NIST report is incomplete, with parts being outright fantasy according to many experts, and that is where we have to start.
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