Having a Baby.... What do we NEED?

[Vaud]

To being some balance.

It is always worth trying. The evidence points towards it being the best overall outcome.

But in life nothing is perfect. Some babies can, some can't. Some mothers can produce enough, some can't. It's an inexact science.

Try it, try it again, etc but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't work...

[Hugo a Gogo]

andy-xr said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

I'm restraining myself from simply telling you go fk yourself, you prick

I'm not shaming anybody or forcing anybody, but your complaining about the universal healthy advice from medical professionals fits your definition there in bold.

Still, there's no wrong and i shouldn't be shamed for my choice to feed my kids exclusively on greggs pasties

I can only assume you've had midwife training majoring in gobste extremism

Everyone's said they tried it, it didn't work out, they moved on. Yet there you are telling people they don't know how they could have damaged their baby while crying victim.

It doesn't go down well that you're sat there with your wife and child hoping and praying between them they figure it out while you come up with backup plans in your head. I'm just not the sort of person who'd preach to my wife she should breastfeed and here's a list of benefits when she's in agony from bleeding nipples, hasn't slept for days and just wants to give the kid a percentage of something rather than 100% of nothing

All i said was that breastfeeding is much better for a child. You told me that was bks.
All the combined medical knowledge of the world, but you know best

[Sarkmeister]

Vaud said:

To being some balance.

It is always worth trying. The evidence points towards it being the best overall outcome.

But in life nothing is perfect. Some babies can, some can't. Some mothers can produce enough, some can't. It's an inexact science.

Try it, try it again, etc but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't work...

Totally agree.

We persevered with just breast feeding for 3 or 4 weeks, and it was a struggle. Our baby was struggling to put weight on and feedings were difficult as she clearly wasn't getting the quantity she wanted. We gradually introduced formula, and she is now back on the 75th percentile line and nice and happy. My wife still breast feeds a couple of times as day, and we see it as a bit of bonding, knowing that most of her milk comes from the bottle.

Edited by Sarkmeister on Thursday 20th October 21:43

[andy-xr]

Hugo a Gogo said:

All i said was that breastfeeding is much better for a child. You told me that was bks.
All the combined medical knowledge of the world, but you know best

You said it was better for the baby and practicality. Its not when they're not even getting colostrom. Or when the amoxycillin for the mastitis goes through the baby so they st up the wall. Or when it takes so long to latch on that you can't leave the house and need a backup plan or be housebound.

Nice theory, fully subscribe to breast feedimg but as I've said, and everyone else has dived in. In practice, total bks

[Hugo a Gogo]

I wonder how countless billions of people and animals ever managed

[jamiem555]

In the past, they used wet nurses. Previous to that, they died. Not every mother can breastfeed. Unless you've been through that trauma then I suggest you have a bit of sympathy for those that have.

[anonymous-user]

ear defenders.

[essayer]

Hugo a Gogo said:

I wonder how countless billions of people and animals ever managed

I presume over the generations, babies who couldn't latch on and feed simply failed to thrive and died.

[Mattt]

Can you ladies stop fking up this thread with usual Pustonheads bhy ste.

It was quite a useful thread up till today.

[Dan_1981]

Mattt said:

Can you ladies stop fking up this thread with usual Pustonheads bhy ste.

It was quite a useful thread up till today.

Agreed.

[Hugo a Gogo]

jamiem555 said:

In the past, they used wet nurses. Previous to that, they died. Not every mother can breastfeed. Unless you've been through that trauma then I suggest you have a bit of sympathy for those that have.

Sure, not every mother can, but that is a much smaller minority than those that don't
They reckon 1-5% cannot breastfeed
But rates in Britain are the worst in the world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3421956/...

[andy-xr]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Sure, not every mother can, but that is a much smaller minority than those that don't
They reckon 1-5% cannot breastfeed
But rates in Britain are the worst in the world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3421956/...

I really don't get your agenda to keep pushing this. Mostly everyone has said they wanted to breastfeed. It didn't work out, they drew a line under it and did something else. But you're still going on about something people know and have discounted

The midwives are exactly the same in their single mindedness

Throwing stats around is back to the shaming, which everyone said they don't want

Guilt and shame is the worst motivator for positive outcome and people still don't get it, they keep doing it

Baby needs feeding
Option 1 boob
Option 2 boob and bottle
Option 3 bottle

[Hugo a Gogo]

They aren't equally good options
Option 1 is the best
2 is not bad
3 is not as good

Dismiss that as bks if you like, but complaining about it doesn't change the facts

Do you moan about the '5 a day' fruit n veg advice that they shame us with too?

[wiggy001]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Sure, not every mother can, but that is a much smaller minority than those that don't
They reckon 1-5% cannot breastfeed
But rates in Britain are the worst in the world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3421956/...

And yet our child mortality rates are among the lowest in the world.

Now, while no-one has the right not to be offended, you need to realise how offensive and patronising your posts are. I really hope for the sake of your friends and family that you are not like this in real life.

If you want to carry on this debate may I suggest you start a thread. This is about what soon-to-be-parents need/will need, and patronising vitriol from an anonymous keyboard warrior is nowhere on that list.

[Hugo a Gogo]

vitriol? quote some, please

the guy's told me i'm talking st, bks, total bks, gobste

Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Friday 21st October 07:56

[p1stonhead]

Hugo a Gogo said:

vitriol? quote some, please

the guy's told me i'm talking st, bks, total bks, gobste

Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Friday 21st October 07:56

You are massively over-stating how much importance it has though.

My mum is a midwife (of 30 years) and whilst she says its better, its not important enough to stress the mother out over and over again. If it doesnt work, its 100% ok to go with something else.

Her position is 100% with Andy-XR's.

Me and my wife have our first on the way in December and she would no way in hell try to push it on my wife if it wasnt working.

Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 21st October 08:13

[Hugo a Gogo]

ok, your mum and andy, versus all the other midwives etc, the Lancet, the WHO, and god knows who else

they're not even allowed to advertise baby milk on the telly, only follow-on milk

they're all just over-doing it for no reason

it's your choice, and there are no wrong choices

[Vaud]

Pistonheads. Boobies matter.


To be fair (and we are off topic), the mums of mumsnet would be delighted with both the passion and the concern that PH men are showing on this clearly sensitive topic.

[Hugo a Gogo]

i'm more concerned with being told I'm a gobste talking bks

normally that's a fair call, but not on this

[wiggy001]

Hugo a Gogo said:

vitriol? quote some, please

Hugo a Gogo said:

I'm restraining myself from simply telling you go fk yourself, you prick

But I digress...

Hugo a Gogo said:

the guy's told me i'm talking st, bks, total bks, gobste

You stated as fact that "breast is best". No exceptions. Everyone must abide. And it sounds like it's worked for you in the past. Great.

But you singlehandedly failed to realise that breast isn't best for a lot of new mums. For those that can't express, who are then put under massive pressure to do something they physically can't, whilst being told their newborn will be taken away from them because they are losing too much weight, thuse putting massive stress on the baby that is completely unnecessary.... for those women, breast most certainly isn't best.

So, and here's my malice, you can shove your facts and condescension where it hurts. You've made your opinion clear, the rest of us have made ours, now can we please get this thread back to being useful?