Hillsborough - wasnt the inquiry enough?

Hillsborough - wasnt the inquiry enough?

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saaby93

Original Poster:

32,038 posts

177 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Did anyone else think the Hillsborough inquiry had run its course and brought closure to everyone involved

It seems not
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
Another chance to rake everything up again and spend years taking through the courts?
Isnt there a time when a line is drawn and wasnt that at the inquiry end?

tomw2000

2,508 posts

194 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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IBTL

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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There's a criminal case to be put to the CPO, they are looking for witnesses to assist in their enquiries. Where's the problem?

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
There's a criminal case to be put to the CPO, they are looking for witnesses to assist in their enquiries. Where's the problem?
Indeed.

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
There's a criminal case to be put to the CPO, they are looking for witnesses to assist in their enquiries. Where's the problem?
If these people were/are such crucial witnesses why were they not talked to/found during the inquiry?

saaby93

Original Poster:

32,038 posts

177 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
There's a criminal case to be put to the CPO, they are looking for witnesses to assist in their enquiries. Where's the problem?
Why is there a criminal case?
If there's been an inquiry outcome published- why not leave it there?
Surely half the trouble was about people fearing being prosecuted so unwilling to speak. Surely if they follow inquiries with prosecutions theres going to be even less willingness


Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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The CPO will decide once they gather their facts?

hepy

1,260 posts

139 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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saaby93 said:
Did anyone else think the Hillsborough inquiry had run its course and brought closure to everyone involved

It seems not
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
Another chance to rake everything up again and spend years taking through the courts?
Isnt there a time when a line is drawn and wasnt that at the inquiry end?
The police lied and cheated, falsifying evidence and you think this should go unpunished. Or is it because the crime happened back in 1989?

A serious crime has been committed and public trust in the police (not just South Yorkshire) been eroded.

Of course there should be prosecutions.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

116 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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hepy said:
saaby93 said:
Did anyone else think the Hillsborough inquiry had run its course and brought closure to everyone involved

It seems not
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
Another chance to rake everything up again and spend years taking through the courts?
Isnt there a time when a line is drawn and wasnt that at the inquiry end?
The police lied and cheated, falsifying evidence and you think this should go unpunished. Or is it because the crime happened back in 1989?

A serious crime has been committed and public trust in the police (not just South Yorkshire) been eroded.

Of course there should be prosecutions.
What the police did was after the event. Whatever they did or didn't do, they didn't kill anybody.

Who crushed the fans that died?

ralphrj

3,507 posts

190 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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The Mad Monk said:
What the police did was after the event. Whatever they did or didn't do, they didn't kill anybody.
The inquest concluded otherwise which is why there is now an appeal for witnesses ahead of potential criminal prosecutions.

Löyly

17,990 posts

158 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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What a cad. "Please identify yourself to us and we'll pass your details on to the CPS. Once we know who you are, we'll let you know if we decide to file charges or point the finger of blame at you. Either way, see you in court".

I can see why witnesses would be dubious about coming forward, especially after the long, long investigations of years passed.

FlyingMeeces

9,932 posts

210 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Inquest - just fact finding, right? What happened, why, who, times of death and such.

If the inquest has uncovered evidence that someone may have caused or contributed to those deaths, that is then a separate, criminal matter - which could not be pursued until the inquest had run its course.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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saaby93 said:
Did anyone else think the Hillsborough inquiry had run its course and brought closure to everyone involved
I am sure people agree with you, but plenty don't.

saaby93

Original Poster:

32,038 posts

177 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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hepy said:
saaby93 said:
Did anyone else think the Hillsborough inquiry had run its course and brought closure to everyone involved

It seems not
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
Another chance to rake everything up again and spend years taking through the courts?
Isnt there a time when a line is drawn and wasnt that at the inquiry end?
The police lied and cheated, falsifying evidence and you think this should go unpunished. Or is it because the crime happened back in 1989?
Someone post up what the inquiry really found?

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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saaby93 said:
Someone post up what the inquiry really found?
Why don't you?
It's not that hard.

Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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The police made mistakes, some fans behaved badly. Some people died and you can't bring them back.

It's time to move on now, chasing retired officers for prosecutions just ruins more lives for no other reason than revenge.

I'm a little cynical over the motives of some of those involved these days - we live in a society where some demand 'compo' for the slightest error, so I do genuinely wonder who is really profiting from dragging this on for much longer than is healthy for those involved.

carinaman

21,214 posts

171 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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If people don't want their misdeeds catching up with them decades later they shouldn't commit misdeeds or cover them up should they.

They said the Constable's Oath when they took office of Constable. If they cannot conduct themselves in accordance with their pledges they shouldn't say them.

'If you can't do the time don't do the crime etc.

The versions of the Constable's Oath I've seen pledges allegiance to the Monarch. They don't mention Apron wearers.


Edited by carinaman on Friday 26th August 01:03

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Trabi601 said:
The police made mistakes, some fans behaved badly. Some people died and you can't bring them back.

It's time to move on now, chasing retired officers for prosecutions just ruins more lives for no other reason than revenge.

I'm a little cynical over the motives of some of those involved these days - we live in a society where some demand 'compo' for the slightest error, so I do genuinely wonder who is really profiting from dragging this on for much longer than is healthy for those involved.
Should we turn a blind eye to police deceit and incompetence?

Turquoise

1,457 posts

96 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Trabi601 said:
It's time to move on now, chasing retired officers for prosecutions just ruins more lives for no other reason than revenge.
So the passing of time outweighs justce?

Interesting concept.

saaby93

Original Poster:

32,038 posts

177 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Jockman said:
Should we turn a blind eye to police deceit and incompetence?
Of course not but that's not what the inquiry came up with - there was a whole thread on the inquiry a while back.
It was what the police didn't say that was picked up wrong by the press and began to run as 'what happened'
The officer in charge I think said something like he was guilty of omission, but at the time would he have known that not saying something would have led to what was reported.
The tv news feeds at the time are also in the other thread and show what was being said by media wasn't what the police said or what happened, but that seems to have appeared in the papers next day.

The inquiry found all this out, and I thought closure had been achieved.
It said what the failings were. Besides the way grounds were designed, policed and managed changed significantly in the aftermath.
Same as most disasters it was a sequence of failings that led to the dreadful outcome
Why will bringing it all up again help?