Electronic Ignition Kits - Unreliable!

Electronic Ignition Kits - Unreliable!

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Scotty2

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1,271 posts

266 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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So, when getting my sons 74 Mini on the road I thought I'd inmprove the reliability for him by ditching the points and condenser and fit an electronic kit. Simples.

Less than a year later and he breaks down (while I am working away naturally...). Fault: Electronic ignition failure. Garage converted it back to points and condenser.

Over the last two years I have bought six conversion kits from various sources for some of my cars and some customers. 4 out of the six have failed. They seem to be totally unreliable and of no benefit whatsoever.

I cannot be that unlucky can I?

Anyone else find them to be rubbish?

PositronicRay

27,011 posts

183 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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I have had rubbish ignition kits. Then I went for a 123 setup, expensive but worth it, plus you can set up your own advance curve.

bstark

204 posts

133 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Touch wood the 123 system on the other half's MG Midget has been spot on for seven years so far and she uses it daily for 6 months of the year. Way better than the old points which were a constant faff to keep in tune.

N Dentressangle

3,442 posts

222 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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I fitted an Accuspark one to the Mini 2 years ago - it's been fine, despite dire prognostications about such modern witchcraft.

After all, it's not like points and condensers were paragons of robustness and dependability, anyway... wink

Roy C

4,187 posts

284 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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I've had a 123 for nearly six years without a problem.
However, a friend with the same set up on the same vehicle had problems and switched to a standard dizzy with electronic ignition.

V8 FOU

2,974 posts

147 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Another vote for 123.
Fitted loads of these with no problems.

Buuuttt, as for Lumenition..... best used as an expensive paper weight IMO

Huntsman

8,054 posts

250 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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I've used multiple Powerspark and Accuspark and they have all been perfectly reliable.

TR4man

5,226 posts

174 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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I have had an Accuspark system on my TR for around five years with no problem whatsoever and the Stag had a Lumenition system which again was fault free.

b2hbm

1,291 posts

222 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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I don't know if it's related to the unreliability or even an internet myth, but I read that with some of the cheaper magnetic systems leaving the ignition switched on without the motor running was a good way to kill them.

The logic was that if the magnet was aligned with the sensor (firing point) then it effectively overloaded the sensor internals if it was left for any significant time. When the engine's running it's only pulsing, which is what the design was for.

It's a bit like Russian roulette, most times the magnet won't be aligned and you'll be fine. I don't know if it's true or not but these days I make a point of starting the motor immediately I switch on.

battered

4,088 posts

147 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Back in the 80s when I was playing with clockwork points a conversion to a TAC system and retaining the points was reckoned to be the best solution. Easy to fit, easy to reverse, and the points only switched transistor current so they lasted for ever.

mgv8

1,632 posts

271 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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I think like so many things your need to check where you get them from and I think supplyers have been let down by copys from China.
The 123 system is a bit to high end to be so easly copyed.

//j17

4,480 posts

223 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Tried and failed with a couple of different electronic ignition kits before dumping everything including the dizzy and going MegaJolt instead. Probably the best mod. I've done!

OldGermanHeaps

3,830 posts

178 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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The lumenition that was on my datsun was terrible, when it failed and left me stranded i removed it and fitted a £2 set of points the increase in power and torque was really noticable.
Megajolt and megasquirt on my lpg 5 cylinder audi was fantastic, sorting it out with a nice well advanced map really perked it up a bit.

Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Friday 26th August 18:19

kev b

2,715 posts

166 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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Back in the eighties I fitted Sparkrite points assisted units to all my cars and never had a bit of bother, recently my brother, an experienced pro mechanic had loads of grief with brand new Lumenition kits.

bitwrx

1,352 posts

204 months

Friday 26th August 2016
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I converted my mini to Megajolt, which is a wasted spark system so the distributor went as well. 100% reliable and zero maintenance over a period of five years or so.

Mind you, the breakerless points that were on the dizzy before were 100% reliable as well, and only required very infrequent timing alteration as the timing chain stretched. (Engine was out of an '86[?] MG Metro so had breakerless points as standard)

The ignition timing at idle was much less variable with Megajolt, but other than that I'm struggling to remember any further advantages...

woodytype S

691 posts

237 months

Saturday 27th August 2016
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Had Lumenition on my MGA when it was positive earth,after 3 years changed to negative.It has been good for 6 years smile

Bellini

768 posts

151 months

Saturday 27th August 2016
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I have a Pertronix system on my Mustang and can't fault it.

It's a 'hidden' installation which nestles under a period distributor cap, so externally everything looks original.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Saturday 27th August 2016
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mgv8 said:
The 123 system is a bit to high end to be so easly copyed.
There are several 123 copies about in the 2cv market. And, when the 123 first came out for 2cvs (one of the first fitments), it quickly got a reputation for unreliability. The manufacturer was very good about replacing failed units, though, and further development has meant it's still a popular system.

B'sides, if you think the various aftermarket options are unreliable, have you seen the quality of modern condensers...?

Dilligaf10

2,431 posts

210 months

Saturday 27th August 2016
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Bellini said:
I have a Pertronix system on my Mustang and can't fault it.

It's a 'hidden' installation which nestles under a period distributor cap, so externally everything looks original.
I have this system on my 302 powered rod. Brilliant bit of kit. Can open up the plug gaps a bit to get a better burn, use a 50k Accel Supercoil as well.

bstark

204 posts

133 months

Saturday 27th August 2016
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//j17 said:
Tried and failed with a couple of different electronic ignition kits before dumping everything including the dizzy and going MegaJolt instead. Probably the best mod. I've done!
It's a bit more effort but the megajolt system is great. Transformed the xflow in my 7 - was running lumenition before that, which was reliable enough but the transformation in low down torque and driveability with 3D ignition is massive.

For a straight swap on a classic with minimal complication a 123 kit is hard to beat.