Cayman R - think I'm about to buy
Discussion
Hi all, looking for a bit of advice and encouragement, I'm looking at buying a CR as a weekend fun car for the long run. I've had a base Cayman and Boxster S in the past and then got some toddlers and went all practical with a Q5 and then to a BMW340 which is where I am now thinking that it would be the best of both worlds. Well it's not and I miss the Porsche, so I'm thinking of a CR and then a golf/cooper s for the week. Got a family barge now for the wife.
So I've been looking on here for a while and reading with interest. The CRs seem very expensive - are they going up and is this simply the price to pay? Does anyone have any recommendations of ones to avoid or good buys on the market at the moment? I'm not too bothered about manual or PDK as I have had left knee trouble in the past so head says PDK although heart says manual. I'd like one from an OPC just to get the warranty but don't want to overpay for it. Happy to therefore look at any respectable dealers or private.
Any thoughts to help me make my mind up would be great.
Thanks
So I've been looking on here for a while and reading with interest. The CRs seem very expensive - are they going up and is this simply the price to pay? Does anyone have any recommendations of ones to avoid or good buys on the market at the moment? I'm not too bothered about manual or PDK as I have had left knee trouble in the past so head says PDK although heart says manual. I'd like one from an OPC just to get the warranty but don't want to overpay for it. Happy to therefore look at any respectable dealers or private.
Any thoughts to help me make my mind up would be great.
Thanks
Not sure who I'm waiting for but I'm looking forward to it.
Testing a PDK and manual beforehand is going to be difficult. I think I'm favouring PDK as I've actually had a total left knee replacement about 7 years and very occasionally it gives me a bit of grief, but if a manual is there that looks good I'll still go for it.
Anyone have a view on how the prices have gone over the last 12 months - have they stayed static?
Also anyone know any of the cars out there?
Testing a PDK and manual beforehand is going to be difficult. I think I'm favouring PDK as I've actually had a total left knee replacement about 7 years and very occasionally it gives me a bit of grief, but if a manual is there that looks good I'll still go for it.
Anyone have a view on how the prices have gone over the last 12 months - have they stayed static?
Also anyone know any of the cars out there?
Trying to remain objective as much as possible here.. but having mine currently advertised, hinders that slightly.
The R was limited edition, consisting of a formula [non-turbo, flat six, 'driver focussed', very good value for money] that is going to be seldom repeated & if it is, will only be small volumes, so I believe the residuals are going to remain strong. They may fluctuate up/down by single digit %'s but ultimately their scarcity will keep them stable.
Will they rise like a GT3/4... probably not. Will they appreciate over time, difficult to tell. If there is no follow on to the GT4 then I think most definitely the lower mileage examples will definitely rise.
imo the manual variants are going to command slightly stronger money over time vs pdk, as Porsche and other brands have leaned on PDK & equivalents to protect warranties, pass emissions test etc.
I havent regretted owning mine at all. I will most definitely regret selling when it goes.
Moderator edit: no advertising.
The R was limited edition, consisting of a formula [non-turbo, flat six, 'driver focussed', very good value for money] that is going to be seldom repeated & if it is, will only be small volumes, so I believe the residuals are going to remain strong. They may fluctuate up/down by single digit %'s but ultimately their scarcity will keep them stable.
Will they rise like a GT3/4... probably not. Will they appreciate over time, difficult to tell. If there is no follow on to the GT4 then I think most definitely the lower mileage examples will definitely rise.
imo the manual variants are going to command slightly stronger money over time vs pdk, as Porsche and other brands have leaned on PDK & equivalents to protect warranties, pass emissions test etc.
I havent regretted owning mine at all. I will most definitely regret selling when it goes.
Moderator edit: no advertising.
Edited by jeremyc on Thursday 25th August 21:18
the fact that you have had a cayman and boxsterS the caymanR brings very little to the table over a regular caymanS , if you want something different and fun for the weekend then why not a 987 spyder these are great cars and imo a better drive than a caymanR and more likely to be a future classic ,maintain strong residuals and a safe place for your money then any other 987!
GT4P said:
the fact that you have had a cayman and boxsterS the caymanR brings very little to the table over a regular caymanS , if you want something different and fun for the weekend then why not a 987 spyder these are great cars and imo a better drive than a caymanR and more likely to be a future classic ,maintain strong residuals and a safe place for your money then any other 987!
Now you've done it....
I've never been a massive fan of the Boxster spyder, it's something about the looks I'm just not that drawn to whereas I prefer the cleaner lines of the CR, each to their own I guess!
I had seen yours in the classifieds as there aren't many and it certainly looks a good example. The price ranges of the few that are out there is vast, from about 36 up to 50 which makes it difficult.
Does anyone know the one at OPC Aberdeen or Brooklands? JZM have a nice looking one too but again top money.
I had seen yours in the classifieds as there aren't many and it certainly looks a good example. The price ranges of the few that are out there is vast, from about 36 up to 50 which makes it difficult.
Does anyone know the one at OPC Aberdeen or Brooklands? JZM have a nice looking one too but again top money.
OP in answer to your questions:
The prices appear to be pretty much static at the moment (they're the same as when I started looking 8 months ago) although there is quite a range in price depending on who is selling it and the spec of the car.
Most private sales will be cheaper and most will have a transferable extended Porsche warranty because owners are keeping up the warranty.
The PDK is very good. I swapped a manual 911 for the PDK CR and have no regrets whatsoever. On road or track.
The differences between an R and S are subtle but very perceptible when you drive them back to back. The R is just that little bit more focused and that's what makes it more special and worth the premium IMO. Unfortunately on PH there appears to a very small number GT4 snob that continually tell people to not buy an R because they're not worth more than an S. I have no idea what their agenda is
so pay no attention and make your own mind up.
p.s. I am not the oracle that those above speak of!
The prices appear to be pretty much static at the moment (they're the same as when I started looking 8 months ago) although there is quite a range in price depending on who is selling it and the spec of the car.
Most private sales will be cheaper and most will have a transferable extended Porsche warranty because owners are keeping up the warranty.
The PDK is very good. I swapped a manual 911 for the PDK CR and have no regrets whatsoever. On road or track.
The differences between an R and S are subtle but very perceptible when you drive them back to back. The R is just that little bit more focused and that's what makes it more special and worth the premium IMO. Unfortunately on PH there appears to a very small number GT4 snob that continually tell people to not buy an R because they're not worth more than an S. I have no idea what their agenda is
so pay no attention and make your own mind up.p.s. I am not the oracle that those above speak of!
Thanks Boxesy, that's good to hear. You are right about the spread of prices. I always thought I would avoid OPC but there prices don't actually seem that bad.
What do you think prices will be like in say 5 years time? I know this is impossible for anyone to know and not the reason for buying but everyone likes to get something that won't plummet too much.
What do you think prices will be like in say 5 years time? I know this is impossible for anyone to know and not the reason for buying but everyone likes to get something that won't plummet too much.
Porsche-R said:
Trying to remain objective as much as possible here.. but having mine currently advertised, hinders that slightly.
The R was limited edition, consisting of a formula [non-turbo, flat six, 'driver focussed', very good value for money] that is going to be seldom repeated & if it is, will only be small volumes, so I believe the residuals are going to remain strong. They may fluctuate up/down by single digit %'s but ultimately their scarcity will keep them stable.
Will they rise like a GT3/4... probably not. Will they appreciate over time, difficult to tell. If there is no follow on to the GT4 then I think most definitely the lower mileage examples will definitely rise.
imo the manual variants are going to command slightly stronger money over time vs pdk, as Porsche and other brands have leaned on PDK & equivalents to protect warranties, pass emissions test etc.
I havent regretted owning mine at all. I will most definitely regret selling when it goes.
Moderator edit: no advertising.
Blimey, sharp as a tack tonight Jeremy ! !The R was limited edition, consisting of a formula [non-turbo, flat six, 'driver focussed', very good value for money] that is going to be seldom repeated & if it is, will only be small volumes, so I believe the residuals are going to remain strong. They may fluctuate up/down by single digit %'s but ultimately their scarcity will keep them stable.
Will they rise like a GT3/4... probably not. Will they appreciate over time, difficult to tell. If there is no follow on to the GT4 then I think most definitely the lower mileage examples will definitely rise.
imo the manual variants are going to command slightly stronger money over time vs pdk, as Porsche and other brands have leaned on PDK & equivalents to protect warranties, pass emissions test etc.
I havent regretted owning mine at all. I will most definitely regret selling when it goes.
Moderator edit: no advertising.
Edited by jeremyc on Thursday 25th August 21:18
boxsey said:
Unfortunately on PH there appears to a very small number GT4 snob that continually tell people to not buy an R because they're not worth more than an S. I have no idea what their agenda is so pay no attention and make your own mind up.
I take it your comment was directed at me for giving an unbias review!i have no agenda or nothing to gain only 13 years of driving caysters! get your facts right firstly I don't slate the CR or tell people not to buy them just never discount the cheaper but just as good models !I am no gt4 snob either as i would never tell others that is the car they must buy and infact I am actually not a fan and never have been of the 981 and if it was not for the gt4 I would have never bought one as i prefer the 987.2 and I also have stated before if Porsche had put as much effort into the CR then I for one would have bought and kept forever but they didn't hence why it flopped when new and were heavily discounted ie 15% discount was achievable ! the fact remains the CR only brings 10hp and sports suspension over a regular CS even the body kit could be specd on a normal cayman! so pay no attention and make your own mind up.the 987 spyder also got 10hp boost and sports suspension but at least it has a unique body making it worth a large % premium over regular boxsterS and has remained at a steady price for at least 18 months whereas the CR was on a downward trend until the gt4 arrived ie a year ago a pukka low miles CR with pccb could be had for £40k!but there has been a low miles right spec.CR just shy of £50k that has been on the market for a year ! so imo prices have peaked for the CR and as cars get older and the miles pile on the gap between CS and CR will close!
I like them, nothing more to add :-) but I will any way :-)
If I wanted a PDK car though then I would forgo the steering feel and go a 981 GTS.
Gen 2 PDK is leagues ahead of gen 1 and IMHO 90% of future R buyers will be after manual.
Watch the spec , buyers are fussy buggers, and cars need the big ££ items to command £45k + values
Which are;
Buckets seats
Spyder wheels.
IMHO of course.
Buckets are £7.5k retail, spyder wheels are £5k retail, IMO a R should have both and makes the extra spend over the S make sense, they were free non cost options, to miss these is a mistake unless the cars cheap.
Pse, SS, leather , xenons , sports crono, PCCB's, reverse sensors, PCM, Bose and climate are all nice but NO car will have all these.
it's hard enough finding a mint car with buckets and Spyers wheels , let alone the extras on top.
Pse and SS are the driver extras and these are circa £2.5k and £400 to add if missing.
Sports crono very nice to have , gives you a greater slip angle before PSM cuts in and a much nicer throttle pedal IMO.
PDK is a sports crono must have, again can be added for about £800.
AC seems a must have to help resale.
PCM seems pointless , it's now old tech and crap IMO and would not sway me either way.
Bose is quite good when tweaked
Xenons seems ultra rare
Leather dash and door cards again ultra rare
PCCB's hens teeth.
Most have AC, and reverse sensors.
Cup holders were an option lol but very handy for a daily and a coffee.
Hope that helps.
If I wanted a PDK car though then I would forgo the steering feel and go a 981 GTS.
Gen 2 PDK is leagues ahead of gen 1 and IMHO 90% of future R buyers will be after manual.
Watch the spec , buyers are fussy buggers, and cars need the big ££ items to command £45k + values
Which are;
Buckets seats
Spyder wheels.
IMHO of course.
Buckets are £7.5k retail, spyder wheels are £5k retail, IMO a R should have both and makes the extra spend over the S make sense, they were free non cost options, to miss these is a mistake unless the cars cheap.
Pse, SS, leather , xenons , sports crono, PCCB's, reverse sensors, PCM, Bose and climate are all nice but NO car will have all these.
it's hard enough finding a mint car with buckets and Spyers wheels , let alone the extras on top.
Pse and SS are the driver extras and these are circa £2.5k and £400 to add if missing.
Sports crono very nice to have , gives you a greater slip angle before PSM cuts in and a much nicer throttle pedal IMO.
PDK is a sports crono must have, again can be added for about £800.
AC seems a must have to help resale.
PCM seems pointless , it's now old tech and crap IMO and would not sway me either way.
Bose is quite good when tweaked
Xenons seems ultra rare
Leather dash and door cards again ultra rare
PCCB's hens teeth.
Most have AC, and reverse sensors.
Cup holders were an option lol but very handy for a daily and a coffee.
Hope that helps.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 25th August 23:37
If you are looking at PDK then an S might be a better bet as the majority of R owners swear by the manual being the true drivers car and the reason for the premiums. Boxsey and Chris W being the exceptions to this. I will leave my own previous Cayman S out of scope as it wasn't a typical Cayman S but you could find a nice one. Also worth looking for the Black Edition which was a run out special with a high spec PDK with extended leather, including the R engine, exhaust etc. There's one at OPC East London worth a look.
Edited to say the oracle has spoken (see above
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Edited to say the oracle has spoken (see above
)Edited by BubblesNW on Thursday 25th August 23:39
Edited by jeremyc on Thursday 25th August 23:51
Edited by BubblesNW on Friday 26th August 00:39
Hamperman said:
Hi all, looking for a bit of advice and encouragement, I'm looking at buying a CR as a weekend fun car for the long run. I've had a base Cayman and Boxster S in the past and then got some toddlers and went all practical with a Q5 and then to a BMW340 which is where I am now thinking that it would be the best of both worlds. Well it's not and I miss the Porsche, so I'm thinking of a CR and then a golf/cooper s for the week. Got a family barge now for the wife.
So I've been looking on here for a while and reading with interest. The CRs seem very expensive - are they going up and is this simply the price to pay? Does anyone have any recommendations of ones to avoid or good buys on the market at the moment? I'm not too bothered about manual or PDK as I have had left knee trouble in the past so head says PDK although heart says manual. I'd like one from an OPC just to get the warranty but don't want to overpay for it. Happy to therefore look at any respectable dealers or private.
Any thoughts to help me make my mind up would be great.
Thanks
I have sent you a message. So I've been looking on here for a while and reading with interest. The CRs seem very expensive - are they going up and is this simply the price to pay? Does anyone have any recommendations of ones to avoid or good buys on the market at the moment? I'm not too bothered about manual or PDK as I have had left knee trouble in the past so head says PDK although heart says manual. I'd like one from an OPC just to get the warranty but don't want to overpay for it. Happy to therefore look at any respectable dealers or private.
Any thoughts to help me make my mind up would be great.
Thanks
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