Well I think I will turn Vegan!
Discussion
227bhp said:
fishseller said:
bigkeeko said:
fishseller said:
the 2 canines are there to to take flesh of nuts seeds oranges etc. not meat.
Then why do we like it and eat it? 
Surely 99% of us can't be wrong."The body is designed for survival, so it sacrifices bone density to protect the kidneys and urinary tract because the latter are essential to survival. And the most readily available source of acid neutralizer is in the bones. So even though milk contains calcium, it ends up sapping your bones of that crucial mineral"
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
fishseller said:
When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat. Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
celestialhealing.net ?http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
Have you got any actual scientific studies to back up the health claims you are making?
fishseller said:
Whoa! care full with the slander! I am a 50 year old man who has eaten meat all my life until last month my precious daughter showed me a copy of films that shocked and upset me nearly made me cry (16 stone ex boxer) as to the treatment of animals I couldn't believe that man kind has become this cruel against animals (if I had my way I would cull a few more humans lol) so I am just sharing what I am learning not trolling its up to people to make their own choices I have!! I was totally naive what was going on until now so I have made a choice I will not preach just inform ta!
Call me a cynic, but rocking up on a car forum to post pro-vegan links and fake science suggests something isn't quite what you claim.
R8Steve said:
I decided to give those videos a quick flick through to give them the benefit of the doubt.
'Captain' Paul Watson appeared in it though so i had to turn it off unfortunately but from what i did see it all looked a bit tin hattery for me.
You mention that eating meat/dairy is being force taught to us to make huge profits, is this not the same as any marketing? Is there any evidence that eating meat/dairy is not good for us?
I'm struggling to see how such a meat lover can make such a sudden change after watching those two rather dire videos.
Fair play if that's what you want to do though.
Yes. Lots. Unfortunately, it gets attacked, misrepresented and lied about - especially in the US where we gain much of our info - by huge corporations and industries who spend hundreds of millions justifying their multi-billion dollar industries.'Captain' Paul Watson appeared in it though so i had to turn it off unfortunately but from what i did see it all looked a bit tin hattery for me.
You mention that eating meat/dairy is being force taught to us to make huge profits, is this not the same as any marketing? Is there any evidence that eating meat/dairy is not good for us?
I'm struggling to see how such a meat lover can make such a sudden change after watching those two rather dire videos.
Fair play if that's what you want to do though.
If you'd like somewhere that you can dip a toe in try this website: nutritionfacts.org.
If you'd prefer to read a proper book or two try The China Study by Colin Campbell.
Phil. said:
I gurantee no one here would eat meat regularly if they had to kill it themselves or witness their meat being killed. From DM today:3
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3763589/Re...
BTW I have shot, killed, skinned and gutted, and eaten rabbit many times. It's not pleasant, the killing bit that is.
Since early this year I have eaten only a plant-based diet. No animal products. I'm not a vegan but the diet is similar.
The main reasons for this choice are (1) health (2) animal welfare and (3) planet resources.
I am happy to elaborate with regard to the reasons and facts surrounding my decisions if it's a constructive discussion.
I'm 52 and have eaten meat for more than 50 years so I'm not judging anyone, it's a personal decision.
Ditto, though I'm a couple of years older.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3763589/Re...
BTW I have shot, killed, skinned and gutted, and eaten rabbit many times. It's not pleasant, the killing bit that is.
Since early this year I have eaten only a plant-based diet. No animal products. I'm not a vegan but the diet is similar.
The main reasons for this choice are (1) health (2) animal welfare and (3) planet resources.
I am happy to elaborate with regard to the reasons and facts surrounding my decisions if it's a constructive discussion.
I'm 52 and have eaten meat for more than 50 years so I'm not judging anyone, it's a personal decision.
The term vegan has so much negative baggage, mainly because many of them are full-on nut-jobs. However, eliminating animal products from ones diet is extremely healthful - contrary to what most believe (including myself until very recently).
Phil. said:
I gurantee no one here would eat meat regularly if they had to kill it themselves or witness their meat being killed.
Totally incorrect. If you watch programs where people are made to fend for themselves (Eden project) they do rear and kill their own animals. It's only because it's been conveniently taken away from us that we don't get involved any more, if we had to, many of us would. If I couldn't buy a chicken off the shelf I wouldn't suddenly stop eating it and go Veggy.....I've dated a few vegetarians, perhaps bordering on vegan-ism over the years. I'd say generally they are nut- jobs. Pun intended. But I do get it and admire it.
The only thing with such people, is its almost the only introductory sentance they have: somehow they have to make it a point of conversation within seconds of meeting anyone.
They seem to think that if we stopped eating meat, all the fields would be filled with happy cows, pigs, sheep, chickens roaming free and having a merry time.
no they wouldn't- there would be nothing in the fields as there would be no economic sense in keeping animals with no profit in them.
The worse ones are the veggies who still eat fish. Oh and maybe bacon when they have a hangover
The only thing with such people, is its almost the only introductory sentance they have: somehow they have to make it a point of conversation within seconds of meeting anyone.
They seem to think that if we stopped eating meat, all the fields would be filled with happy cows, pigs, sheep, chickens roaming free and having a merry time.
no they wouldn't- there would be nothing in the fields as there would be no economic sense in keeping animals with no profit in them.
The worse ones are the veggies who still eat fish. Oh and maybe bacon when they have a hangover
227bhp said:
Totally incorrect. If you watch programs where people are made to fend for themselves (Eden project) they do rear and kill their own animals. It's only because it's been conveniently taken away from us that we don't get involved any more, if we had to, many of us would. If I couldn't buy a chicken off the shelf I wouldn't suddenly stop eating it and go Veggy.....
Do you have any idea what the Eden Project is?
LordGrover said:
227bhp said:
Totally incorrect. If you watch programs where people are made to fend for themselves (Eden project) they do rear and kill their own animals. It's only because it's been conveniently taken away from us that we don't get involved any more, if we had to, many of us would. If I couldn't buy a chicken off the shelf I wouldn't suddenly stop eating it and go Veggy.....
Do you have any idea what the Eden Project is?http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv...
fishseller said:
When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat. Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
We are omnivores. If you want to stick to the fruit and veg that is your choice. However I thought a herbivore was less likely to take the step we took coming out the trees.http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
Herbivores are also a prey animal and need to eat a lot, in genreral. Granted we would not stack up with a lion but we have developed a way around that. Where are your eyes?
ReallyReallyGood said:
fishseller said:
When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat. Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
celestialhealing.net ?http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
Have you got any actual scientific studies to back up the health claims you are making?
LordGrover said:
Do you have any idea what the Eden Project is?
I'm guessing he means the Channel 4 TV show.http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv...
fishseller said:
No sorry only what I find on the internet as I am not scientific or a biologist but I assume you have ? please share !
No, but then I'm not trying to change others' minds, or making any claims.Please don't get me wrong, I am open minded to the idea that such a diet could be healthier, especially given the perceptibly high cancer rates in Western society these days. However, when the only literature available to back it up is pseudo-science, alarm bells ring. If it were such a silver bullet for health, why do we not know about it, other than from people peddling diet books?
Edited by ReallyReallyGood on Tuesday 30th August 10:01
Trabi601 said:
Ah. Reality TV. Should've guessed.LordGrover said:
Trabi601 said:
Ah. Reality TV. Should've guessed.
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