Well I think I will turn Vegan!

[can't remember]

fishseller said:

now I am not preaching here but

Well that lasted about as many posts as I expected it to.

fishseller said:

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

So why not go on a vegan site then?

I am sorry if this comes over as a bit aggressive, I don't mean to be. It's not my site and people are free to discuss whatever they want. I do think, however, that this motoring site would be an awful lot better if before people were allowed to start agenda drive threads in the lounge they had to make 50 posts in any of the motoring sections of the site. Always strikes me as odd when someone joins, waits a couple of months before making a post, starts a thread, and then throws up links to third rate propaganda and pseudo-scientific crap.

[Johnnytheboy]

can't remember said:

I do think, however, that this motoring site would be an awful lot better if before people were allowed to start agenda drive threads in the lounge they had to make 50 posts in any of the motoring sections of the site.

That is actually a brilliant idea.

[Nickbrapp]

You've already passed stage 1 of how to be a vegan, by telling everyone that you're a fking vegan when no one gives a st

[DanL]

fishseller said:

from a very young age we are conditioned to drink your milk as its good for your bones(Its takes calcium from your bones) and eat your meat and veg so we assume this is normal through our lives its all rubbish Google the facts BTW drinking milk from another species that is designed to fatten up a calf very quickly is going to cause a human problems in the future


"The body is designed for survival, so it sacrifices bone density to protect the kidneys and urinary tract because the latter are essential to survival. And the most readily available source of acid neutralizer is in the bones. So even though milk contains calcium, it ends up sapping your bones of that crucial mineral"

Well, that's just crap. Forgive me if I ignore the rubbish you can dig up on Google (after all, you can Google links that tell you crystal healing works), and stick with Harvard.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calci...

Edited to add - milk being "acidic" and needing neutralising is nonsense if you stop to think about it for even a second. The acid in your stomach is much, much more acidic than milk will ever be. Milk's pH is 6.5-6.7 - drinking water can have a very similar pH, although distilled water's pH is 7 if my memory of science classes isn't wrong.

By comparison, Coka Cola has a pH between 2.5 and 4.2, making it quite acidic. Lemon juice has a pH of around 2.

Edited by DanL on Tuesday 30th August 10:25

[fishseller]

can't remember said:

fishseller said:

now I am not preaching here but

Well that lasted about as many posts as I expected it to.

fishseller said:

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

So why not go on a vegan site then?

I am sorry if this comes over as a bit aggressive, I don't mean to be. It's not my site and people are free to discuss whatever they want. I do think, however, that this motoring site would be an awful lot better if before people were allowed to start agenda drive threads in the lounge they had to make 50 posts in any of the motoring sections of the site. Always strikes me as odd when someone joins, waits a couple of months before making a post, starts a thread, and then throws up links to third rate propaganda and pseudo-scientific crap.

Hey I started this post and you joined me ? and "Well I Think I Will Turn Vegan!" was my tag line! just a bit of fun to see what people think nothing aggressive in that, just a grown up conversation for grown ups to contribute. Nothing offensive just informative or not. I am no preacher or fundamentalist each to their own I am new to the meat free lifestyle it may last it may not ! BTW this is on the Health part of the gassing station try the motoring bit.

[bigandclever]

fishseller said:

BTW this is on the Health part of the gassing station

Not any more it's not, we're in the Lounge.

[fishseller]

Nickbrapp said:

You've already passed stage 1 of how to be a vegan, by telling everyone that you're a fking vegan when no one gives a st

no I haven't I just cut out meat don't take this soooooo seriously

[fishseller]

Well I would love to chat more but ttfn catch up later I am off to catch some shrimps

[The Nur]

fishseller said:

no I haven't I just cut out meat don't take this soooooo seriously

How can you promote veganism and sell dead animals for personal profit?

[WinstonWolf]

fishseller said:

WinstonWolf said:

fishseller said:

Hi after getting persuaded by my daughter to turn vegan I reluctantly watched a couple of videos and I was shocked as how cruel the dairy and meat industries are, now I am not preaching here but from a man who loves his meat like I love my MEAT from 4 egg omelet plus sausages bacon etc. breakfast plus a whole chicken or a couple of tins of tuna for lunch and dinner well enough said.

I am just starting on this journey and it will be a tricky one . we are told from a very young age that meat and dairy are good for a healthy life but we are not built to eat or consume animal products. here is informative videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XP79o8gqQ

they are sad to watch but very inspiring and informative.

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

If God hadn't meant us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them taste so good

We're omnivores, just look at your teeth...

yes indeed our teeth are designed to grind and rotate side to side to grind down plant based foods the 2 canines are there to to take flesh of nuts seeds oranges etc. not meat.
Meat eaters have very big canines and cannot grind food only chomp lumps of flesh and swallow and are happy to eat raw meat.

I used to eat raw bacon rind as a kid, bloody lovely it was too

[fishseller]

The Nur said:

fishseller said:

no I haven't I just cut out meat don't take this soooooo seriously

How can you promote veganism and sell dead animals for personal profit?

No! there alive when I sell them in a bag of water to the aquatic trade as feeder shrimp for predatory fish all natural I don't kill them the fish do!

[Trabi601]

The Nur said:

fishseller said:

no I haven't I just cut out meat don't take this soooooo seriously

How can you promote veganism and sell dead animals for personal profit?

Because he's a troll?

[The Nur]

That is sort of the point I was getting around to.

[Wobbegong]

The Nur said:

fishseller said:

no I haven't I just cut out meat don't take this soooooo seriously

How can you promote veganism and sell dead animals for personal profit?

Same as Warmists and how they fly around the world preaching about how we should not fly or drive?

[The Nur]

fishseller said:

No! there alive when I sell them in a bag of water to the aquatic trade as feeder shrimp for predatory fish all natural I don't kill them the fish do!

Not much difference between that and cattle farming is there? The farmers don't slaughter the cows, the abattoir does. Or do you not see the similarities because the animals you sell are smaller?


Or are you just antagonising people?

[petemurphy]

not sure why the op is being shot down he wants to discuss being vegan is that so difficult for everyone?

the most difficult part of me being vegan for 6 months was having to go through arguments with everyone when you mention it. the only reason i had to mention it is if eating at other peoples houses etc i did not feel the need to broadcast it. neither was i strictly vegan but its easier than saying whole food plant based blah blah blah

[R8Steve]

fishseller said:

The Nur said:

fishseller said:

no I haven't I just cut out meat don't take this soooooo seriously

How can you promote veganism and sell dead animals for personal profit?

No! there alive when I sell them in a bag of water to the aquatic trade as feeder shrimp for predatory fish all natural I don't kill them the fish do!

I'm pretty sure they were happier in the sea than they are being put in a plastic bag and sold with the sole purpose of being eaten by a predatory fish though.

You can surely see the irony in this given why you say you no longer want to eat meat, or is it deliberate?

[Oakey]

Tell those tribes in the Amazon who avoided contact with the outside world for hundreds and years we aren't meant to eat meat

[blinkythefish]

fishseller said:

R8Steve said:

fishseller said:

R8Steve said:

Rollin said:

fishseller said:

Hi after getting persuaded by my daughter to turn vegan I reluctantly watched a couple of videos and I was shocked as how cruel the dairy and meat industries are, now I am not preaching here but from a man who loves his meat like I love my MEAT from 4 egg omelet plus sausages bacon etc. breakfast plus a whole chicken or a couple of tins of tuna for lunch and dinner well enough said.

I am just starting on this journey and it will be a tricky one . we are told from a very young age that meat and dairy are good for a healthy life but we are not built to eat or consume animal products. here is informative videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XP79o8gqQ

they are sad to watch but very inspiring and informative.

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

Bullst.

+1

The vegan fishseller

Ha Ha! I know Fishseller very well thought out and I sell live shrimps fish food for a living !!

Oh, i see, i suppose i can see how selling a living creature for the sole purpose of being eaten alive fits in with your new found vegan beliefs

Hmm yes quite right but you see a predatory fish natural instinct is to eat a live animal be it daphnia worms shrimps etc. (same as a tiger or lion it has canine teeth a very small intestine and claws) but we are not give a 1 year old child a live rabbit will he rip it a part and eat it raw or play with it ? its all learnt behaviour promoted by the meat and dairy industries for big profits

Wild chimpanzees(our closest living relative) will hunt, catch and eat monkeys, so feel free to not eat meat, but don't try to tell me that we have been "trained" to eat meat by the food industry.

[sly fox]

thebraketester said:

Instead of stopping eating meat on animal welfare issues why not take the time to find a source of meat that you know has been ethically farmed and slaughtered?

It's not difficult.

This. +1

Go and find a good local butcher who can tell you which farms they get the meat from. You could then check the farm and enquire about standards, feeding, welfare etc.

It's not hard OP. Changing your mind after seeing a few biased videos on the internet seems to be a bit pathetic to me ? Harsh perhaps but there you go. Have you taught your daughter to look for further balanced views, medical statistics , take in opposing sides of the story, considered all arguments and life long benefits and concerns? What about if your daughter wants children herself? Lot's of information out there to show that vegetarian mothers suffer from nutritional deficiencies during pregnancy for example which are passed onto babies. Has she thought about that?

Or has she heard these views from other influential people in her life such as teachers - who can be very self righteous and biased themselves? Taking into account that teenagers change their mind with the wind ( or next social media fad) are you really going to change your lifestyle (as that what the word DIET really means - not actually about unnaturally restricting yourself from a type of food) to keep your kids happy?