Travellers.......
Discussion
Robertj21a said:
What I can never understand is WHY do they usually leave so much mess behind when they eventually leave. Presumably because they won't take it to a council tip/recycling centre and/or won't pay any charges that apply ?
Because they are selfish parasites who care about no one but themselves.
mel said:
However I'm a great believer in accepting people as they are and judging them by their actions.
Yeah, me too, except it's always....mel said:
feral traveller kids trashing the local park
Of course they don't piss you off. You live right next door and would be able to document all their activities and put together a strong case to have them evicted should it come to that. If they carried on "at home" like they do in our local park your piss would be bubbling away just like everyone else's.
They s
t on other people's door steps for a few weeks at a time, knowing full well it simply isn't worth anyone's time, effort and money to tackle them as the day before Court they'll simply up sticks and fk off somewhere new.djt100 said:
mel said:
It's easy to stereotype but I wonder how many of the haters have ever actually had any interaction with Gypsies beyond watching feral traveller kids trashing the local park or Channel 4's latest offering? I live nextdoor to a small privately owned site with 4 vans and one extended family of English Gypsies, they were there before we bought the house and I'll openly confess that it was a cause for concern when we viewed and that my own preconceptions and prejudices made me question the location. However I'm a great believer in accepting people as they are and judging them by their actions. The two things that swung it for me were the fact that the house had stood empty for 18 months before we bought it as the old dear had been in a home and the son was hoping she would come back out, it wasn't touched and strangely every couple of weeks the grass got cut yet there was no gardener and the son didn't do it? Plus before we exchanged on it we stood in the back garden on a summers evening, unannounced and just listened. Sure enough on the other side of the hedge and fence we could hear children playing, but the thing was they were playing as a family, it was the sound of fun, laughter, and good healthy adult/child interaction, there was no shouting, no anger and certainly no swearing just the same sounds as you would hope to hear coming from any suburban executive home on a nice estate.
Since moving in we've got to know them as neighbours, we've helped each other out, and chatted in the same way any other neighbours would. I've learnt a lot about their way of life because I'm the kind of bloke who will simply ask something if I don't know it and they have been nothing but open, friendly and above all honest. Our kids play together in the garden and you couldn't ask for a pair of nicer or more polite children (5 & 8). I could site dozens of instances I know of with them where they've received the rough end of life from bullying of children at school, to planning disputes, to active campaigns by neighbours who are not even close by to make their lives difficult, publicans who have barred family members not for anything they've done but just to try and keep custom from bigots and small minded villagers, and to losing work simply because people have found out where they live. I've employed them to help me with groundwork at my house and everything has always been above and beyond what I'd hoped for or was expecting to get for the price.
In summary the extended true English Gypsy family I live nextdoor to are in my opinion good people and good neighbours, most certainly better than lots of the neighbour from hell horror stories you hear of from lots of settled people living on "nice" estates. The site is immaculate and the grounds/gardens are most certainly in better condition and better cared for than mine and I actually like living next door to them.
Myself and my partner are getting married next year and the reception will be in a Marque in our garden, all of my neighbours from each side will be there as will a fair few PH'ers, friends and family. I'm not worried about my neighbours causing trouble at all, I'm more worried about less informed friends/family causing offence by not realising the company they're in and talking about "the site" or "'s next door" I know my neighbours would let it wash over them as they've lived with it all their lives but I'd hate to think of any guest of mine causing offence, it seems they're just one of the last social/racial/ethnic groups that it is publicly acceptable to insult or discriminate against.
So just out of interest, have you asked how they earn money to live?Since moving in we've got to know them as neighbours, we've helped each other out, and chatted in the same way any other neighbours would. I've learnt a lot about their way of life because I'm the kind of bloke who will simply ask something if I don't know it and they have been nothing but open, friendly and above all honest. Our kids play together in the garden and you couldn't ask for a pair of nicer or more polite children (5 & 8). I could site dozens of instances I know of with them where they've received the rough end of life from bullying of children at school, to planning disputes, to active campaigns by neighbours who are not even close by to make their lives difficult, publicans who have barred family members not for anything they've done but just to try and keep custom from bigots and small minded villagers, and to losing work simply because people have found out where they live. I've employed them to help me with groundwork at my house and everything has always been above and beyond what I'd hoped for or was expecting to get for the price.
In summary the extended true English Gypsy family I live nextdoor to are in my opinion good people and good neighbours, most certainly better than lots of the neighbour from hell horror stories you hear of from lots of settled people living on "nice" estates. The site is immaculate and the grounds/gardens are most certainly in better condition and better cared for than mine and I actually like living next door to them.
Myself and my partner are getting married next year and the reception will be in a Marque in our garden, all of my neighbours from each side will be there as will a fair few PH'ers, friends and family. I'm not worried about my neighbours causing trouble at all, I'm more worried about less informed friends/family causing offence by not realising the company they're in and talking about "the
site" or "'s next door" I know my neighbours would let it wash over them as they've lived with it all their lives but I'd hate to think of any guest of mine causing offence, it seems they're just one of the last social/racial/ethnic groups that it is publicly acceptable to insult or discriminate against. 
Mr Snrub said:
djt100 said:
mel said:
It's easy to stereotype but I wonder how many of the haters have ever actually had any interaction with Gypsies beyond watching feral traveller kids trashing the local park or Channel 4's latest offering? I live nextdoor to a small privately owned site with 4 vans and one extended family of English Gypsies, they were there before we bought the house and I'll openly confess that it was a cause for concern when we viewed and that my own preconceptions and prejudices made me question the location. However I'm a great believer in accepting people as they are and judging them by their actions. The two things that swung it for me were the fact that the house had stood empty for 18 months before we bought it as the old dear had been in a home and the son was hoping she would come back out, it wasn't touched and strangely every couple of weeks the grass got cut yet there was no gardener and the son didn't do it? Plus before we exchanged on it we stood in the back garden on a summers evening, unannounced and just listened. Sure enough on the other side of the hedge and fence we could hear children playing, but the thing was they were playing as a family, it was the sound of fun, laughter, and good healthy adult/child interaction, there was no shouting, no anger and certainly no swearing just the same sounds as you would hope to hear coming from any suburban executive home on a nice estate.
Since moving in we've got to know them as neighbours, we've helped each other out, and chatted in the same way any other neighbours would. I've learnt a lot about their way of life because I'm the kind of bloke who will simply ask something if I don't know it and they have been nothing but open, friendly and above all honest. Our kids play together in the garden and you couldn't ask for a pair of nicer or more polite children (5 & 8). I could site dozens of instances I know of with them where they've received the rough end of life from bullying of children at school, to planning disputes, to active campaigns by neighbours who are not even close by to make their lives difficult, publicans who have barred family members not for anything they've done but just to try and keep custom from bigots and small minded villagers, and to losing work simply because people have found out where they live. I've employed them to help me with groundwork at my house and everything has always been above and beyond what I'd hoped for or was expecting to get for the price.
In summary the extended true English Gypsy family I live nextdoor to are in my opinion good people and good neighbours, most certainly better than lots of the neighbour from hell horror stories you hear of from lots of settled people living on "nice" estates. The site is immaculate and the grounds/gardens are most certainly in better condition and better cared for than mine and I actually like living next door to them.
Myself and my partner are getting married next year and the reception will be in a Marque in our garden, all of my neighbours from each side will be there as will a fair few PH'ers, friends and family. I'm not worried about my neighbours causing trouble at all, I'm more worried about less informed friends/family causing offence by not realising the company they're in and talking about "the site" or "'s next door" I know my neighbours would let it wash over them as they've lived with it all their lives but I'd hate to think of any guest of mine causing offence, it seems they're just one of the last social/racial/ethnic groups that it is publicly acceptable to insult or discriminate against.
So just out of interest, have you asked how they earn money to live?Since moving in we've got to know them as neighbours, we've helped each other out, and chatted in the same way any other neighbours would. I've learnt a lot about their way of life because I'm the kind of bloke who will simply ask something if I don't know it and they have been nothing but open, friendly and above all honest. Our kids play together in the garden and you couldn't ask for a pair of nicer or more polite children (5 & 8). I could site dozens of instances I know of with them where they've received the rough end of life from bullying of children at school, to planning disputes, to active campaigns by neighbours who are not even close by to make their lives difficult, publicans who have barred family members not for anything they've done but just to try and keep custom from bigots and small minded villagers, and to losing work simply because people have found out where they live. I've employed them to help me with groundwork at my house and everything has always been above and beyond what I'd hoped for or was expecting to get for the price.
In summary the extended true English Gypsy family I live nextdoor to are in my opinion good people and good neighbours, most certainly better than lots of the neighbour from hell horror stories you hear of from lots of settled people living on "nice" estates. The site is immaculate and the grounds/gardens are most certainly in better condition and better cared for than mine and I actually like living next door to them.
Myself and my partner are getting married next year and the reception will be in a Marque in our garden, all of my neighbours from each side will be there as will a fair few PH'ers, friends and family. I'm not worried about my neighbours causing trouble at all, I'm more worried about less informed friends/family causing offence by not realising the company they're in and talking about "the
site" or "'s next door" I know my neighbours would let it wash over them as they've lived with it all their lives but I'd hate to think of any guest of mine causing offence, it seems they're just one of the last social/racial/ethnic groups that it is publicly acceptable to insult or discriminate against. Crossflow Kid said:
Hush now. That's between them and HMRC and is none of his business (which isn't strictly true but let's not let that stand in the way of a rosy picture of quirky tinkers eking out a meagre existence by doing odd jobs for a pittance)
Bang on.And whittling pegs silhouetted against a sunset with their Romany caravans and horses grazing nearby.
The bigotry is obviously too strong in some of you. I've simply said it as I've seen it, I also own an industrial unit and yes in the past the Trash it Traveller types have rocked onto the Industrial Estate and left a mountain of destruction, rubbish and excrement in their wake so I'm fully aware of what the feral scum can do, however as I said earlier I'm also a pretty open minded kind of bloke and I like to think a fairly good judge of character. Yes my neighbours may well be the exception rather than the rule, but in the last two and half years they've given me no reason to believe they behave any differently when away from home, they've been nothing but good neighbours to me and I've found them pretty pleasant people to be around. I can't make up any horror stories or invent problems to suit someone else's agenda that simply haven't been there, I'm just saying it as it's been. I'm not naive enough to think that everyone who lives in a caravan is a good upstanding civic minded citizen but I'm equally not bigoted enough to want to lead them all to a gas chamber.
Society will only move on from hate if there are more people like me who are willing to accept others for the people they are and not judge them by their colour, race, religion, social standing, wealth, culture or where they were born. I'm not a religious man nor a lefty liberal who wants to live on a commune, I'm actually pretty ruthless, bare a grudge, don't forgive easily and advocate stiff penalties against those who fail or lack the same moral standards that I believe in, but I'll give anyone a chance right up to the point where they st on me, my loved ones or my society and quite frankly my neighbours haven't.
Oh and yes the properties are registered for Council Tax, they are main and permanent residences, they get the same wheelie bin collections as I do, they get the same notes left on the bins from the "bin police" if they're not sorted properly and they get all the rest of the council services that I get. They're actually pretty proud of the fact that they don't claim any benefits and are self sufficient, they probably don't put as much into the pot as I do with my PAYE employment status but equally so they don't take anywhere near as much out as the "on the sick" bad back brigade who've never done a days work in their life.
Society will only move on from hate if there are more people like me who are willing to accept others for the people they are and not judge them by their colour, race, religion, social standing, wealth, culture or where they were born. I'm not a religious man nor a lefty liberal who wants to live on a commune, I'm actually pretty ruthless, bare a grudge, don't forgive easily and advocate stiff penalties against those who fail or lack the same moral standards that I believe in, but I'll give anyone a chance right up to the point where they s
t on me, my loved ones or my society and quite frankly my neighbours haven't.Oh and yes the properties are registered for Council Tax, they are main and permanent residences, they get the same wheelie bin collections as I do, they get the same notes left on the bins from the "bin police" if they're not sorted properly and they get all the rest of the council services that I get. They're actually pretty proud of the fact that they don't claim any benefits and are self sufficient, they probably don't put as much into the pot as I do with my PAYE employment status but equally so they don't take anywhere near as much out as the "on the sick" bad back brigade who've never done a days work in their life.
Chrisgr31 said:
We have them in a site we manage. There was 24 hour security on the site. A group of around 10 pitched up in the middle of the night, cut the padlock on the gate parked in the yard. Physically evicted the security guard.
Bailiffs instructed and as they werent in the building invited to be present to evist them. Police arrived late and there were now 30 on site. Police refused bailiffs access due to fear of breach of the peace as bailiffs and police outnumbered.
Next day reinforcements but now they are in the unit so police powers no longer apply, court order served yesterday. We believe there are around 120 on site! Huge piles of waste already.
Was that in Bracknell by any chance?!Bailiffs instructed and as they werent in the building invited to be present to evist them. Police arrived late and there were now 30 on site. Police refused bailiffs access due to fear of breach of the peace as bailiffs and police outnumbered.
Next day reinforcements but now they are in the unit so police powers no longer apply, court order served yesterday. We believe there are around 120 on site! Huge piles of waste already.
mel said:
The bigotry is obviously too strong in some of you. I've simply said it as I've seen it, I also own an industrial unit and yes in the past the Trash it Traveller types have rocked onto the Industrial Estate and left a mountain of destruction, rubbish and excrement in their wake so I'm fully aware of what the feral scum can do, however as I said earlier I'm also a pretty open minded kind of bloke and I like to think a fairly good judge of character. Yes my neighbours may well be the exception rather than the rule, but in the last two and half years they've given me no reason to believe they behave any differently when away from home, they've been nothing but good neighbours to me and I've found them pretty pleasant people to be around. I can't make up any horror stories or invent problems to suit someone else's agenda that simply haven't been there, I'm just saying it as it's been. I'm not naive enough to think that everyone who lives in a caravan is a good upstanding civic minded citizen but I'm equally not bigoted enough to want to lead them all to a gas chamber.
Society will only move on from hate if there are more people like me who are willing to accept others for the people they are and not judge them by their colour, race, religion, social standing, wealth, culture or where they were born. I'm not a religious man nor a lefty liberal who wants to live on a commune, I'm actually pretty ruthless, bare a grudge, don't forgive easily and advocate stiff penalties against those who fail or lack the same moral standards that I believe in, but I'll give anyone a chance right up to the point where they st on me, my loved ones or my society and quite frankly my neighbours haven't.
Oh and yes the properties are registered for Council Tax, they are main and permanent residences, they get the same wheelie bin collections as I do, they get the same notes left on the bins from the "bin police" if they're not sorted properly and they get all the rest of the council services that I get. They're actually pretty proud of the fact that they don't claim any benefits and are self sufficient, they probably don't put as much into the pot as I do with my PAYE employment status but equally so they don't take anywhere near as much out as the "on the sick" bad back brigade who've never done a days work in their life.
There is a traveller site near me, Aston Firs. They also pay council tax, same as everyone else. No problem. They are travellers, rather than Society will only move on from hate if there are more people like me who are willing to accept others for the people they are and not judge them by their colour, race, religion, social standing, wealth, culture or where they were born. I'm not a religious man nor a lefty liberal who wants to live on a commune, I'm actually pretty ruthless, bare a grudge, don't forgive easily and advocate stiff penalties against those who fail or lack the same moral standards that I believe in, but I'll give anyone a chance right up to the point where they s
t on me, my loved ones or my society and quite frankly my neighbours haven't.Oh and yes the properties are registered for Council Tax, they are main and permanent residences, they get the same wheelie bin collections as I do, they get the same notes left on the bins from the "bin police" if they're not sorted properly and they get all the rest of the council services that I get. They're actually pretty proud of the fact that they don't claim any benefits and are self sufficient, they probably don't put as much into the pot as I do with my PAYE employment status but equally so they don't take anywhere near as much out as the "on the sick" bad back brigade who've never done a days work in their life.
s, so the mess and upset associated with the latter are absent. Bigotry?
After suffering attempted pet theft, threats to my wife, attempted burglary, vandalism, damage to my wifes car, and months of general misery to all local residents in our area we now have no time for travelling scum. We did NOTHING to suffer all the above actions. Never said anything to suffer this, not even so much as looked at them funny. Oh no, along they came one day and it was bloody awful so if we are now bigots then ask yourself who caused us to be so.
It's fair to say the whole community feels the same now.
After suffering attempted pet theft, threats to my wife, attempted burglary, vandalism, damage to my wifes car, and months of general misery to all local residents in our area we now have no time for travelling scum. We did NOTHING to suffer all the above actions. Never said anything to suffer this, not even so much as looked at them funny. Oh no, along they came one day and it was bloody awful so if we are now bigots then ask yourself who caused us to be so.
It's fair to say the whole community feels the same now.
killingjoker said:
Bigotry?
After suffering attempted pet theft, threats to my wife, attempted burglary, vandalism, damage to my wifes car, and months of general misery to all local residents in our area we now have no time for travelling scum. We did NOTHING to suffer all the above actions. Never said anything to suffer this, not even so much as looked at them funny. Oh no, along they came one day and it was bloody awful so if we are now bigots then ask yourself who caused us to be so.
It's fair to say the whole community feels the same now.
Says it all really.After suffering attempted pet theft, threats to my wife, attempted burglary, vandalism, damage to my wifes car, and months of general misery to all local residents in our area we now have no time for travelling scum. We did NOTHING to suffer all the above actions. Never said anything to suffer this, not even so much as looked at them funny. Oh no, along they came one day and it was bloody awful so if we are now bigots then ask yourself who caused us to be so.
It's fair to say the whole community feels the same now.
killingjoker said:
Bigotry?
After suffering attempted pet theft, threats to my wife, attempted burglary, vandalism, damage to my wifes car, and months of general misery to all local residents in our area we now have no time for travelling scum. We did NOTHING to suffer all the above actions. Never said anything to suffer this, not even so much as looked at them funny. Oh no, along they came one day and it was bloody awful so if we are now bigots then ask yourself who caused us to be so.
It's fair to say the whole community feels the same now.
My Nan was mugged by a Black Man.After suffering attempted pet theft, threats to my wife, attempted burglary, vandalism, damage to my wifes car, and months of general misery to all local residents in our area we now have no time for travelling scum. We did NOTHING to suffer all the above actions. Never said anything to suffer this, not even so much as looked at them funny. Oh no, along they came one day and it was bloody awful so if we are now bigots then ask yourself who caused us to be so.
It's fair to say the whole community feels the same now.
(she wasn't but I'm using that as a comparative metaphor)
mel said:
The bigotry is obviously too strong in some of you. I've simply said it as I've seen it, I also own an industrial unit and yes in the past the Trash it Traveller types have rocked onto the Industrial Estate and left a mountain of destruction, rubbish and excrement in their wake so I'm fully aware of what the feral scum can do, however as I said earlier I'm also a pretty open minded kind of bloke and I like to think a fairly good judge of character. Yes my neighbours may well be the exception rather than the rule, but in the last two and half years they've given me no reason to believe they behave any differently when away from home, they've been nothing but good neighbours to me and I've found them pretty pleasant people to be around. I can't make up any horror stories or invent problems to suit someone else's agenda that simply haven't been there, I'm just saying it as it's been. I'm not naive enough to think that everyone who lives in a caravan is a good upstanding civic minded citizen but I'm equally not bigoted enough to want to lead them all to a gas chamber.
Society will only move on from hate if there are more people like me who are willing to accept others for the people they are and not judge them by their colour, race, religion, social standing, wealth, culture or where they were born. I'm not a religious man nor a lefty liberal who wants to live on a commune, I'm actually pretty ruthless, bare a grudge, don't forgive easily and advocate stiff penalties against those who fail or lack the same moral standards that I believe in, but I'll give anyone a chance right up to the point where they st on me, my loved ones or my society and quite frankly my neighbours haven't.
Oh and yes the properties are registered for Council Tax, they are main and permanent residences, they get the same wheelie bin collections as I do, they get the same notes left on the bins from the "bin police" if they're not sorted properly and they get all the rest of the council services that I get. They're actually pretty proud of the fact that they don't claim any benefits and are self sufficient, they probably don't put as much into the pot as I do with my PAYE employment status but equally so they don't take anywhere near as much out as the "on the sick" bad back brigade who've never done a days work in their life.
Would you like a cappuccino or Americano to smell when you wake up?Society will only move on from hate if there are more people like me who are willing to accept others for the people they are and not judge them by their colour, race, religion, social standing, wealth, culture or where they were born. I'm not a religious man nor a lefty liberal who wants to live on a commune, I'm actually pretty ruthless, bare a grudge, don't forgive easily and advocate stiff penalties against those who fail or lack the same moral standards that I believe in, but I'll give anyone a chance right up to the point where they s
t on me, my loved ones or my society and quite frankly my neighbours haven't.Oh and yes the properties are registered for Council Tax, they are main and permanent residences, they get the same wheelie bin collections as I do, they get the same notes left on the bins from the "bin police" if they're not sorted properly and they get all the rest of the council services that I get. They're actually pretty proud of the fact that they don't claim any benefits and are self sufficient, they probably don't put as much into the pot as I do with my PAYE employment status but equally so they don't take anywhere near as much out as the "on the sick" bad back brigade who've never done a days work in their life.
They don't s
t on their own doorstep.You live on their doorstep,
Therefore, they don't s
t on you.Consider yourself lucky.
Don't call me a bigot simply because my experience of these people is drastically different to yours.
mel said:
They're actually pretty proud of the fact that they don't claim any benefits and are self sufficient
I do think you're wayward of the truth there, to put it politely.They don't claim benefits because they do not want an identity!
It's all part of the invisibleness of such jolly folk. They don't want anything pinned on them by name/number. My mate is a PC who has had in depth dealings with sites where no one will give their name and if they do it's John Smith. Two people had criminal records but simply used another name from then on and the kids were bought up from an early age to get involved in anything illegal that the adults were into - basically as a way of life.
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