Travellers.......

[Robertj21a]

Evanivitch said:

If the wildlife is collapsing and dying from being chased then it's undoubtedly already sick. It's hardly self preservation to evade a predator to then drop dead after.

Apparently not. Dogs have been known to chase wildlife until they're exhausted. In any event, are you saying that it's perfectly ok for dogs to chase whatever wildlife they choose as only sick ones will be affected ?

[Willy Nilly]

Evanivitch said:

Robertj21a said:

Have to agree. Far too many dogs are off leads and chasing wildlife - seemingly viewed as 'fun' and 'sport' by the owners (who don't see the wildlife collapse/die after being chased).

If the wildlife is collapsing and dying from being chased then it's undoubtedly already sick. It's hardly self preservation to evade a predator to then drop dead after.

I like dogs, but they are quite hard on wild life. There are far more dogs than nature can sustain which then scamper around disturbing wildlife such as ground nesting birds.

Can we get back to discussing pie keys now?

[DoubleSix]

egor110 said:

Oceanic said:

Evanivitch said:

All three of those instances would quite easily see you end up in prison yourself.

I can totally understand the first two instances I mentioned (if true) however what I did was legal, I was on my own property taking photos of crimes being committed on land owned the community.

Whereabouts in Somerset did this farmer supposedly shoot a travellers dog?

A little village called Atenshun, near Hawring

[Evanivitch]

Robertj21a said:

Apparently not. Dogs have been known to chase wildlife until they're exhausted. In any event, are you saying that it's perfectly ok for dogs to chase whatever wildlife they choose as only sick ones will be affected ?

I'm saying that the majority of domestic dogs get nowhere near a bird, squirrel, rabbit, deer, slow worm, mouse or duck. So the act of chasing is largely harmless. And of that animal then dies of shock it's most likely a sick animal already.

Obviously there are exceptions. A greyhound chasing a herd of deer through the New Forrest, or a lurcher chasing rabbits is a different case entirely, but far rarer.


And anyone who thinks domestic dogs are a significant risk to wildlife is having a laugh. Cats, traffic and non-native species are a much bigger issue.

[BlackLabel]

On the Ch4 Gypsy wedding series there was a fair bit mentioned about teenage traveller girls being subjected to 'the grabbing', which saw boys grope and try to kiss young girls. Apparantly this was all a bit of fun and the girls loved it really.

It's not a surprise then that the younger generation are copying what they see the older kids do.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2043796/three-boys-a...

[Robertj21a]

Evanivitch said:

I'm saying that the majority of domestic dogs get nowhere near a bird, squirrel, rabbit, deer, slow worm, mouse or duck. So the act of chasing is largely harmless. And of that animal then dies of shock it's most likely a sick animal already.

Obviously there are exceptions. A greyhound chasing a herd of deer through the New Forrest, or a lurcher chasing rabbits is a different case entirely, but far rarer.


And anyone who thinks domestic dogs are a significant risk to wildlife is having a laugh. Cats, traffic and non-native species are a much bigger issue.

Domestic dogs can be a significant problem in rural areas. Let off their leads they can, and do, cause problems for sheep, deer etc.

[stuartmmcfc]

Domestic dogs cause a lot of problems at Bradgate park in Leicestershire near me
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/bradgate-park-s-...

Edited by stuartmmcfc on Tuesday 25th October 19:02

[droopsnoot]

BlackLabel said:

On the Ch4 Gypsy wedding series there was a fair bit mentioned about teenage traveller girls being subjected to 'the grabbing', which saw boys grope and try to kiss young girls. Apparantly this was all a bit of fun and the girls loved it really.

I haven't seen it, but I have seen Peter Kay's routine about it.

[hora]

J4CKO said:

Shoegrip said:

Evanivitch said:

All three of those instances would quite easily see you end up in prison yourself.

The shooting of dogs in rural areas is common. One of our farmer neighbours almost does it as sport if townies or day trippers wind him up. Local police are not interested. Farmer just says they were worrying sheep.

He shoots peoples pets for Sport ?

I would probably bear a grudge over that and make his life miserable for a long time, getting "wound up" is no excuse to go round executing a well behaved dog, some Farmers can get wound up for fun, I know the public can be a pain in the arse but exacting your revenge on someones dog just because you are a is pretty bad.

Maybe he's had enough? Twice I've demonstrated with day trippers whose dogs have just chased Lambs across a field. Once I was told to mind my own business and the second 'he's never done that before'. Sorry, let your dog off the lead anywhere near a field of sheep then don't expect a living dog. Maybe we should publish pictures of the 'nips' or worse. Plenty of idiots in the Peak district.

[alfie2244]

hora said:

Maybe he's had enough? Twice I've demonstrated with day trippers whose dogs have just chased Lambs across a field. Once I was told to mind my own business and the second 'he's never done that before'. Sorry, let your dog off the lead anywhere near a field of sheep then don't expect a living dog. Maybe we should publish pictures of the 'nips' or worse. Plenty of idiots in the Peak district.

I would have remonstrated with them if it were me

[Evanivitch]

Robertj21a said:

Domestic dogs can be a significant problem in rural areas. Let off their leads they can, and do, cause problems for sheep, deer etc.

Well aware. But that isn't what we were discussing.

[Shoegrip]

Evanivitch said:

Well aware. But that isn't what we were discussing.

Apologies for taking this off topic.

If we think we have problems with travellers here, you should see some of the inbread travellers I've witnessed in Eastern Europe. Taking over entire villages and leaving them as slums. Literally raping and pillaging on their way. Knowing every trick in the book to get state benefits and stealing anything that isn't nailed down.

A friend of mine bought a little smallholding which they did up with new electrics, plumbing, bathrooms etc. they came back to the UK to attend a family funeral and only been here a couple of days when they got a call from a neighbour. The travellers had been in and literally stripped the place. Even down to the electric cables out of the walls and the pipes from under the floors.

When Romania was joining the EU, there were some typical DM articles focusing on this kind of traveller but as far as I'm aware, we have seen few of that type over here.

[Kateg28]

I used to have an au pair from Romania (a male one, which is rare but worked brilliantly for me and my son) and when we used to go to Tesco's there was a Romanian Traveller outside selling Big Issues. I once asked Thomas why he didn't engage with her and he said he wanted nothing to do with Romanian Travellers as they were 'very bad people'.

I have no evidence to support this but I remember his vehemence at keeping his distance.

[FiF]

That's just the same as in UK. An old closed MOD site was to be sold off. A part which comprised housing was parcelled off to be sold as very affordable homes. In a largely agricultural low income area these were much needed and wanted. Before the sale certain lovable scallywags had been in and stripped them. The damage done to get any valuable metals out, wiring and plumbing mainly, meant the houses had to be demolished.

Despite being generally of the take people as I find them attitude it's very difficult to be anything other than unwelcoming.

Locally we've got more than our fair share of permanent traveller sites. That's not me saying it, that's the council saying it in their desire to build more. Sites for travellers who don't travel. Most of them are bungalows and chalets ffs. Still have the dags and drop side Transits though, with the attitude that goes with it.

[Condi]

Kateg28 said:

I used to have an au pair from Romania (a male one, which is rare but worked brilliantly for me and my son) and when we used to go to Tesco's there was a Romanian Traveller outside selling Big Issues. I once asked Thomas why he didn't engage with her and he said he wanted nothing to do with Romanian Travellers as they were 'very bad people'.

I have no evidence to support this but I remember his vehemence at keeping his distance.

The few Romanians I know share the same attitude and are very embarrassed to be spoken about in the same breath. Generally people anywhere in the world are good people and know the difference between right and wrong.

[Robertj21a]

Shoegrip said:

Apologies for taking this off topic.

If we think we have problems with travellers here, you should see some of the inbread travellers I've witnessed in Eastern Europe. Taking over entire villages and leaving them as slums. Literally raping and pillaging on their way. Knowing every trick in the book to get state benefits and stealing anything that isn't nailed down.

A friend of mine bought a little smallholding which they did up with new electrics, plumbing, bathrooms etc. they came back to the UK to attend a family funeral and only been here a couple of days when they got a call from a neighbour. The travellers had been in and literally stripped the place. Even down to the electric cables out of the walls and the pipes from under the floors.

When Romania was joining the EU, there were some typical DM articles focusing on this kind of traveller but as far as I'm aware, we have seen few of that type over here.

You do realise that Romania isn't where the Romani/gypsy come from ?

[alfie2244]

Robertj21a said:

You do realise that Romania isn't where the Romani/gypsy come from ?

Indeed..........he's not alone though.

Worth a read perhaps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

[anonymous-user]

Kateg28 said:

I used to have an au pair from Romania (a male one, which is rare but worked brilliantly for me and my son) and when we used to go to Tesco's there was a Romanian Traveller outside selling Big Issues. I once asked Thomas why he didn't engage with her and he said he wanted nothing to do with Romanian Travellers as they were 'very bad people'.

I have no evidence to support this but I remember his vehemence at keeping his distance.

We have a Hungarian au pair. She had similarly vitriolic comments when a bunch of s turned up on the school field. We had to have a word with her about the strength of her language used/views expressed in front of the kids!

[hora]

There are some niave types on this thread. Sadly some comments can make us all look prejudicial (no they aren't a race)

[4x4Tyke]

Condi said:

Kateg28 said:

I have no evidence to support this but I remember his vehemence at keeping his distance.

The few Romanians I know share the same attitude and are very embarrassed to be spoken about in the same breath.

The discrimination against Gypsies in Romania is state sponsored and well documented

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism#Romania