When after work drinks go wrong...
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Many many years ago we had a works do with overnight accommodation in the same hotel. A lad I worked with got plastered, and with that came him getting a bit horny. Having failed to pull he retired to his room, swiftly calling up a grot line, finishing the job, then...... fell asleep, without hanging up.
Some days later work got the bill from the hotel, including one phone call running in to thousands of £!!
The hotel out of good will reduced the charge by some 50%, but it was still a four figure charge. He was given the option of paying it, or be sacked. He paid it.
Some days later work got the bill from the hotel, including one phone call running in to thousands of £!!
The hotel out of good will reduced the charge by some 50%, but it was still a four figure charge. He was given the option of paying it, or be sacked. He paid it.
hora said:
I worked with someone who revealed their nauxitous side when drinking. I summise that people surpress their real selves in most situations but alcohol unmasks this. They then blame it on the booze when really that is them warts and all.
From the sounds of it good riddance. Don't fall for the 'sorry it was the booze' b
ks. I've been hammered many a time and spent many a time with many people pissed. Only the prize aholes consistently 'change' with booze.
Edit on my work colleague I realised that it was classic narcisstic personality disorder being suppressed mainly.
From the sounds of it good riddance. Don't fall for the 'sorry it was the booze' b
ks. I've been hammered many a time and spent many a time with many people pissed. Only the prize aholes consistently 'change' with booze.Edit on my work colleague I realised that it was classic narcisstic personality disorder being suppressed mainly.
Edited by hora on Saturday 10th September 09:51
I went to university with someone like this. He was a terrible attention seeker, aggressive and malicious t
t when drinking who was perfectly normal not pissed. Every Monday he'd apologise and everyone would say "Don't worry mate, you were just pissed. Just don't let it happen next time." and the cycle would repeat itself.
Years ago I used to work for a company that would regularly get asked not to come back from wherever the xmas party (or other event) was held due to the level of carnage.
I've seen the nice guy/maniac switch too many times. At one point a pool queue was broken over one of the lads (thankfully he was drunk, 6'4" and about 22 stone so it just folded round him) and was taken as being almost normal.
I've had to drag the maniac off DJs and try to control him in various pubs over the years I worked there.
One of the storemen got into a fight with one of the managers, this ended up with a continual loop of wallop. "Is that all you've got?" Gets back up, wallop etc until it was stopped. Turned out the manager was quite handy and the younger storeman didn't know when he was beaten. All that happened on that occasion was an apology at work on the monday from the storeman with the rainbow face.
On another occasion one of the lads decided to show his cock to a girl on the dancefloor in a club, she obviously wasn't impressed and got her boyfriend to sort him out. The situation was suddenly calmed down when he became aware of the fact that about 50% of the people in the place were with the idiot and they left in a hurry.
Nothing ever happened to the drunken muppets unless they actually did something in work hours. The management did start having separate xmas parties after a while to stop some of the hassle.
My wife works for a much more normal place and things that happen on nights out don't just stay on nights out. She's stopped taking me to anything with a free bar now.
I've seen the nice guy/maniac switch too many times. At one point a pool queue was broken over one of the lads (thankfully he was drunk, 6'4" and about 22 stone so it just folded round him) and was taken as being almost normal.
I've had to drag the maniac off DJs and try to control him in various pubs over the years I worked there.
One of the storemen got into a fight with one of the managers, this ended up with a continual loop of wallop. "Is that all you've got?" Gets back up, wallop etc until it was stopped. Turned out the manager was quite handy and the younger storeman didn't know when he was beaten. All that happened on that occasion was an apology at work on the monday from the storeman with the rainbow face.
On another occasion one of the lads decided to show his cock to a girl on the dancefloor in a club, she obviously wasn't impressed and got her boyfriend to sort him out. The situation was suddenly calmed down when he became aware of the fact that about 50% of the people in the place were with the idiot and they left in a hurry.
Nothing ever happened to the drunken muppets unless they actually did something in work hours. The management did start having separate xmas parties after a while to stop some of the hassle.
My wife works for a much more normal place and things that happen on nights out don't just stay on nights out. She's stopped taking me to anything with a free bar now.
MarshPhantom said:
desolate said:
We had someone die at one of our Christmas parties, whilst in fancy dress sleeping in someone else's room.
That was a fun filled morning sorting that out with the police and his family with and epic christmas party hangover.
Crikey.That was a fun filled morning sorting that out with the police and his family with and epic christmas party hangover.
We have a guy at my current employer who gets really mouthy when pissed, a Christmas do from a few years ago, that I didn't attend; he got hammered and was calling everyone C-Units, including the MD and was generally being mouthy and showing off, the following Monday he spent the day driving to all the branches to apologise.
zarjaz1991 said:
Another good reason why I never, ever join in any work social events.
They are people I work with, and that's only under sufferance. I don't want to voluntarily spend my free time with any of them. Or most people to be frank.
I've always enjoyed work drinks to be honest.They are people I work with, and that's only under sufferance. I don't want to voluntarily spend my free time with any of them. Or most people to be frank.
The people I've worked with in different places have for the most part been great. Got on really well and had a laugh with them after work.
Naturally there will always be one or two people that no one gets on with, but as said above, they usually end up not coming out.
The last bunch I worked with were brilliant for a night out, I still meet some of them for drinks now, and I left a couple of years ago. They are good friends.
Thing is we're good mates as far as colleagues go. There are a few people in the office I'd love an excuse to punch but he's never been one of them.
The guy totally lost his st, ended up hitting a barman who came outside to try and calm him down too. Was total carnage.
No idea what the fallout will be, going to contact my manager and tell him I'm happy to put it down to too much booze and move on. Seeing as he punched him too; the ball will be in his court.
Bloke has a wife and a young kid so would rather not see him out of a job even if he was being a dick.
The guy totally lost his s
t, ended up hitting a barman who came outside to try and calm him down too. Was total carnage. No idea what the fallout will be, going to contact my manager and tell him I'm happy to put it down to too much booze and move on. Seeing as he punched him too; the ball will be in his court.
Bloke has a wife and a young kid so would rather not see him out of a job even if he was being a dick.
Slightly different situation but back when we were about 18 a group of us on bikes went to a pub we used. With us was a lad, who'd got friendly with us, about a year younger who was very quiet very placid. After about 3 pints he transformed into the gobbiest aggressive tt, it was unbelievable how much he changed.
Trying to play darts most of them ended up in people's dinners ( was a Sunday lunchtime)
Then started telling a story at full volume about his mates sister who during sex would scream at him " me in the a !" Not only extremely loudly but he kept putting his finger in his mouth pulling his cheek out shouting the above request in this quiet country pub. After squaring up to someone we had to get him out.
t, it was unbelievable how much he changed.Trying to play darts most of them ended up in people's dinners ( was a Sunday lunchtime)
Then started telling a story at full volume about his mates sister who during sex would scream at him "
me in the a !" Not only extremely loudly but he kept putting his finger in his mouth pulling his cheek out shouting the above request in this quiet country pub. After squaring up to someone we had to get him out.HTP99 said:
MarshPhantom said:
desolate said:
We had someone die at one of our Christmas parties, whilst in fancy dress sleeping in someone else's room.
That was a fun filled morning sorting that out with the police and his family with and epic christmas party hangover.
Crikey.That was a fun filled morning sorting that out with the police and his family with and epic christmas party hangover.
We have a guy at my current employer who gets really mouthy when pissed, a Christmas do from a few years ago, that I didn't attend; he got hammered and was calling everyone C-Units, including the MD and was generally being mouthy and showing off, the following Monday he spent the day driving to all the branches to apologise.
Reminds me of a chap that of my O/H worked with, not killed but in a very bad way after a similar incident.
Some people just lose it when they have a drink. It's quite bizarre.
When I worked for a housing association, I had a manager who was a lady in her late 40's, absolutely tiny, probably less than 5' tall and very slim, generally quietly spoken and polite, but twice I saw her turn into an utter lunatic after a few drinks on a night out. The last one was she accused someone of pushing her in a bar, which resulted in 3 huge doormen fighting to get her outside, where she proceeded to start swinging fists at a Police officer who had to repeatedly tell her to calm down before she got locked up. A couple of other staff went outside and dragged her to a taxi before leaving she caused more trouble. She even went for them at some point. She was utterly out of control.
Another good one is a chap I know who is a bit of a gentle giant and is the nicest, quietest chap you could meet, but on a night out he would turn into a psychopath and start fighting with anyone, trying to tip parked cars over, ripping up metal street dustbins and throwing them, and almost always end up locked up. When he was 25 he made the decision to never drink again and he's now 36. At least he knew he had a problem and did something about it.
When I worked for a housing association, I had a manager who was a lady in her late 40's, absolutely tiny, probably less than 5' tall and very slim, generally quietly spoken and polite, but twice I saw her turn into an utter lunatic after a few drinks on a night out. The last one was she accused someone of pushing her in a bar, which resulted in 3 huge doormen fighting to get her outside, where she proceeded to start swinging fists at a Police officer who had to repeatedly tell her to calm down before she got locked up. A couple of other staff went outside and dragged her to a taxi before leaving she caused more trouble. She even went for them at some point. She was utterly out of control.
Another good one is a chap I know who is a bit of a gentle giant and is the nicest, quietest chap you could meet, but on a night out he would turn into a psychopath and start fighting with anyone, trying to tip parked cars over, ripping up metal street dustbins and throwing them, and almost always end up locked up. When he was 25 he made the decision to never drink again and he's now 36. At least he knew he had a problem and did something about it.
Jimmy Recard said:
I went to university with someone like this. He was a terrible attention seeker, aggressive and malicious t
t when drinking who was perfectly normal not pissed. Every Monday he'd apologise and everyone would say "Don't worry mate, you were just pissed. Just don't let it happen next time." and the cycle would repeat itself.
Be careful. Giving them the sack might be unfair dismissal. From the internet:
"Williams and others v Whitbread Beer Co
This is a well-known decision from 1996. The three claimants were work colleagues who attended a drinks evening paid for by the employer. They became drunk, and there was an isolated incident of personal abuse and violent conduct.
The Court of Appeal approved the tribunal’s decision that the incidents were contained and of limited duration, that they had taken place outside working hours and in circumstances where a free bar had been provided by the employer, and so the decision to dismiss was held to be outside the band of reasonable responses....."
So, think about it: If its a works do, did he feel pressured into joining in, even though he could not "keep up" with the rest of you? Would his work relationships be affected if he didnt join in, and his colleagues consider him a bore, not one of the team, a loner etc etc? In short, did he feel he had to drink- and drink lots- in a work-paid for social evening?? Do you have a culture at work of drinking, which emoployees feel compelled to join in with??
If he answers yes, and you sacked him for his actions, then this is unfair dismissal.
It can be a legal minefield. Be careful. As odd as it seems, I am being serious.
"Williams and others v Whitbread Beer Co
This is a well-known decision from 1996. The three claimants were work colleagues who attended a drinks evening paid for by the employer. They became drunk, and there was an isolated incident of personal abuse and violent conduct.
The Court of Appeal approved the tribunal’s decision that the incidents were contained and of limited duration, that they had taken place outside working hours and in circumstances where a free bar had been provided by the employer, and so the decision to dismiss was held to be outside the band of reasonable responses....."
So, think about it: If its a works do, did he feel pressured into joining in, even though he could not "keep up" with the rest of you? Would his work relationships be affected if he didnt join in, and his colleagues consider him a bore, not one of the team, a loner etc etc? In short, did he feel he had to drink- and drink lots- in a work-paid for social evening?? Do you have a culture at work of drinking, which emoployees feel compelled to join in with??
If he answers yes, and you sacked him for his actions, then this is unfair dismissal.
It can be a legal minefield. Be careful. As odd as it seems, I am being serious.
Jasandjules said:
Monkeylegend said:
Would be an interesting tribunal hearing, maybe there is a precedent for this.
He can still be dismissed quite properly.Would that be based on the fact that he hit somebody who worked at the same company?
Are they allowed to dismiss an employee on the basis of violent conduct against another person with no connection to said company? Would that employee needed to have been convicted of a criminal offence before they could legally do so?
I have never witnessed anything at works nights out - but have heard a few stories.
One guy apparently motor-boated a 'well endowed' female colleague at a Christmas party. I don't think he lost his job over it either.....although it did cause a bit of a furore at work the following week.
One guy apparently motor-boated a 'well endowed' female colleague at a Christmas party. I don't think he lost his job over it either.....although it did cause a bit of a furore at work the following week.
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