Would you buy a "Notorious" house/building ?

Would you buy a "Notorious" house/building ?

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shakotan

10,684 posts

196 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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PurpleTurtle said:
shakotan said:
I live in Levi Bellfield's flat.
WTF, really?!
Yes.

It's ok, I'm not sharing with him.

Baz Tench

5,648 posts

190 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Baz Tench said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Baz Tench said:
I've had very interesting experiences which can't be rationally explained.
All that means is that you don't know the rational explanation, not that there isn't one.

People die in houses all the time. I wouldn't give it a second thought. I hope some of you worriers never have to stay overnight in hospital, as the chances are hundreds of people will have died in your bed.
People who have had these experiences will always be poles apart with people who haven't and staunchly don't want to know.
You are wrong. I've had experiences I cannot explain rationally. The difference is, I don't automatically allocate a supernatural explanation to them. Because there is not a scrap of evidence for the existence of the supernatural and I don't believe in stuff for which there is no evidence. Mainly because I'm not an idiot.
That's fine then. I don't automatically think 'ooh it's a ghost!' either. I try to look at all possibilies.

Nice bit of aggression there at the end I see. Nice touch. I always find that to be interesting behaviour in these conversations.


J4CKO

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41,499 posts

200 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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shakotan said:
I live in Levi Bellfield's flat.
Surely that is a cell ?

shakotan

10,684 posts

196 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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J4CKO said:
shakotan said:
I live in Levi Bellfield's flat.
Surely that is a cell ?
Ha, good point.

Moved here in the middle of last year and had no idea of the connection until a work colleague asked about my new flat.

Can't say it bothers me.

hora

37,116 posts

211 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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Garden/basement flat? Where did he kill her?

Edit, wrong murderer

so called

9,082 posts

209 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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Baz Tench said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Baz Tench said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Baz Tench said:
I've had very interesting experiences which can't be rationally explained.
All that means is that you don't know the rational explanation, not that there isn't one.

People die in houses all the time. I wouldn't give it a second thought. I hope some of you worriers never have to stay overnight in hospital, as the chances are hundreds of people will have died in your bed.
People who have had these experiences will always be poles apart with people who haven't and staunchly don't want to know.
You are wrong. I've had experiences I cannot explain rationally. The difference is, I don't automatically allocate a supernatural explanation to them. Because there is not a scrap of evidence for the existence of the supernatural and I don't believe in stuff for which there is no evidence. Mainly because I'm not an idiot.
That's fine then. I don't automatically think 'ooh it's a ghost!' either. I try to look at all possibilies.

Nice bit of aggression there at the end I see. Nice touch. I always find that to be interesting behaviour in these conversations.
Yes, it invokes in me a defensive aggressive response. Which in this case was to call him 'twigthewondertw@'.

thetapeworm

11,220 posts

239 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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This popped up in my news feed today:

http://www.diedinhouse.com

A new service where people can check if someone has died in a US address. It only goes back to 1980 and costs $12.

so called

9,082 posts

209 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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When I was 1 year old my grandmother on my moms side passed away, followed 3 years later by my granddad.
Shortly after, we moved into the house that they had both died in.
I remember one evening waking and looking at the bedroom door to see two people. They stood looking directly at me and then walked across the room and out through the door on that side.
Next morning I told my mum and she asked me if I could remember what they were wearing.
Being 5 at the time, I described as best I could. The man was in a suit and the woman in a lovely long dresss.
My went out of the room and returned with a photo and yes, it was the same two people I had seen.
The photo was a wedding photo of my gran and granddad.

That was the first of many sightings by myself but also by my brothers.
My girlfriend, now my wife, stayed over one night and crapped herself and woke me up when "two people just walked through the room". She wasn't impressed by me laughing and turning over saying "go sleep its just gran and granddad". smile

I never had a problem living there, as my mother had explained to me on the first occasion not to worry as they were only there to look over and protect me.

On the other hand, recently a cousin on my moms side had our family tree published.
In it she showed me the family black sheep.
I'm glad the house of my great uncle, a certain 10 Rillington Place, was never a family heirloom. yikes
It was only when Wiki came along that I realized that my grandad and 'Uncle John' (Reginald Christie), could have been twins, they looked so alike, which made my earlier experiences retrospectively feel a little more creepy.

The family tree also identified a member marrying into the Sutcliffe family of Halifax. She decided not to investigate any further as 1 serial killer in the family is enough thank you very much.

Edited by so called on Saturday 22 October 10:29

P5BNij

15,875 posts

106 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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so called said:
When I was 1 year old my grandmother on my moms side passed away, followed 3 years later by my granddad.
Shortly after, we moved into the house that they had both died in.
I remember one evening waking and looking at the bedroom door to see two people. They stood looking directly at me and then walked across the room and out through the door on that side.
Next morning I told my mum and she asked me if I could remember what they were wearing.
Being 5 at the time, I described as best I could. The man was in a suit and the woman in a lovely long dresss.
My went out of the room and returned with a photo and yes, it was the same two people I had seen.
The photo was a wedding photo of my gran and granddad.

That was the first of many sightings by myself but also by my brothers.
My girlfriend, now my wife, stayed over one night and crapped herself and woke me up when "two people just walked through the room". She wasn't impressed by me laughing and turning over saying "go sleep its just gran and granddad". smile

I never had a problem living there, as my mother had explained to me on the first occasion not to worry as they were only there to look over and protect me.

On the other hand, recently a cousin on my moms side had our family tree published.
In it she showed me the family black sheep.
I'm glad the house of my great uncle, a certain 10 Rillington Place, was never a family heirloom. yikes
It was only when Wiki came along that I realized that my grandad and 'Uncle John' (Reginald Christie), could have been twins, they looked so alike, which made my earlier experiences retrospectively feel a little more creepy.

The family tree also identified a member marrying into the Sutcliffe family of Halifax. She decided not to investigate any further as 1 serial killer in the family is enough thank you very much.

Edited by so called on Saturday 22 October 10:29
At the end of the war my Grandmother had a part time cleaning job which included two houses in Rillington Place, when I asked her if one of them was number 10, she went a little quiet for a moment and said ''well... yes''. Was never quite sure if she was joking or not!

Slightly OT but relevant to your mention of Sutcliffe, a mate of mine said he once tried to buy his old Rover P6.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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P5BNij said:
At the end of the war my Grandmother had a part time cleaning job which included two houses in Rillington Place, when I asked her if one of them was number 10, she went a little quiet for a moment and said ''well... yes''. Was never quite sure if she was joking or not!

Slightly OT but relevant to your mention of Sutcliffe, a mate of mine said he once tried to buy his old Rover P6.
If we are onto notorious cars, several people online claim to have F424 NPE. That's the Range Rover from the Rettendon murders. There are a few films on it

ApOrbital

9,959 posts

118 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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I use to work with dennis morgan his brother dicky morgan worked for the krays his first job was cleaning the inside of the krays cars.

wildcat45

8,072 posts

189 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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My Dad was a Fleet Steet journalist at he time Christie was convicted. He went to Rillington Place and found the house empty and unlocked.

Later his friend wrote a book about it. I remember him telling me they renamed the whole street.

S11Steve

6,374 posts

184 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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I've not long bought a former Vicarage. God knows (pun intended) what untold horrors the house could have...

Mr Snrub

24,965 posts

227 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Until we sell it I'm currently living in my grandparent's house. Not wanting to get morbid, but they both died in their bedroom as did their second daughter who would have been my aunt. I just use that room for storage now and would never sleep in there, but that's more out of respect than superstition. That side of it doesn't really bother me, but it's not something I'd freely reveal when the house is sold.


I did however find a Ouija board in the loft, Although my attempt to ask them if they still had the boxes for the crystal miniatures before I put them on ebay was unsuccessful.

NRS

22,135 posts

201 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
You are wrong. I've had experiences I cannot explain rationally. The difference is, I don't automatically allocate a supernatural explanation to them. Because there is not a scrap of evidence for the existence of the supernatural and I don't believe in stuff for which there is no evidence. Mainly because I'm not an idiot.
Don't get me wrong here, but that doesn't make complete sense.

If you say anything explainable CANNOT be related to the supernatural and simply has to be something you can't explain then of course there will never be any evidence of the supernatural - as you will always explain it to be something you don't know. Something being supernatural would mean it's not natural - so cannot be explained with our rules. You're basically putting a theory (there can be no supernatural therefore anything I don't understand cannot be it) ahead of potential observations. I understand why you do it, but it is somewhat a circular argument when you use that justification surely?

Wacky Racer

38,142 posts

247 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Freds said:
The home of Brady and Hindley was demolished after their trial. It was the right hand house of the top centre terrace in the photo, the row is clearly missing a house . I wouldn't want to live next door nor within a mile of the place personally.



My cousin was Ian Brady's paperboy when he about 11. He lived nearby on Padstow Close.

He often went into the house on Wardle Brook Avenue for "sweets".

He was a very lucky boy.

I used to watch Brady and Hindley be ushered into the court room in Hyde from my school window, a baying mob threw eggs at the Police van carrying them.

sidekickdmr

5,075 posts

206 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Not "Notorious" but we almost purchased a converted church with 3 of the last priests buried under the lounge floor with headstones that you were not allowed to cover up (A rug would be fine, but you couldn’t wooden floor over them or anything.)

I seem to recall that one of the covenants was that you had to allow access to any relatives of the deceased that wanted to visit the graves.

Surprisingly, none of these reasons put us off, it was the graveyard as a back garden that crossed the line as it was impractical, nowhere for a driveway and double garage, let alone a patio, handy if you wanted a stone bbq though, just need a grate!

hora

37,116 posts

211 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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sidekickdmr said:
Not "Notorious" but we almost purchased a converted church with 3 of the last priests buried under the lounge floor with headstones that you were not allowed to cover up (A rug would be fine, but you couldn’t wooden floor over them or anything.)

I seem to recall that one of the covenants was that you had to allow access to any relatives of the deceased that wanted to visit the graves.

Surprisingly, none of these reasons put us off, it was the graveyard as a back garden that crossed the line as it was impractical, nowhere for a driveway and double garage, let alone a patio, handy if you wanted a stone bbq though, just need a grate!
Abit uncomfortable if one arose whilst you are your tea

Lucas CAV

3,022 posts

219 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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guindilias said:
Not notorious, but my grandfather blew his brains out in the lounge of his house. After the clean-up, my Grandmother lived there until she died 20 years later.
My great uncle hung himself in the 1940's in his parent's house.
His sister ... my grandmother... lived in the house until she died in 1990.

Not sure I'd be able to walk into the hall everyday where he was swinging from the ceiling...

J4CKO

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41,499 posts

200 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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I walked past this house last night,

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

Fairly notorious, due to being the home of an alledged gangster with a few murder trials under his belt and also a man was shot dead in the house.

Noticed that all the metal gates and railings had gone last night, wonder why ?