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superkartracer said:
johnwilliams77 said:
superkartracer said:
I charge £150 hr for my services , the difference between skill and unskilled a
hole licking.
Is that a good rate for a rent boy?hole licking.Terrible existence .
johnwilliams77 said:
Nanook said:
It's quite the leap to go from laughing at his bosses jokes and being extra nice to him, to sucking his cock. I think perhaps you're getting slightly carried away.
Perhaps he is explaining his fantasies to us.
Can we get some control of this metaphor please - some of you seem anally fixated! Its about making sure you say hello of a morning not partaking of genitalia! Know the type that doesn't say 'hi' in the morning to people if they can get away with it? Do you like and rate that type generally? Are you one? 
DonkeyApple said:
superkartracer said:
johnwilliams77 said:
superkartracer said:
I charge £150 hr for my services , the difference between skill and unskilled ahole licking.
Is that a good rate for a rent boy?hole licking.Terrible existence .
, joke aside , i know of a CEO that liked girls and boys and a fair few people did rather well being his friend.. so yeah it does happen out there in the world ( shock horror ) .Edited by superkartracer on Friday 21st October 13:08
SystemParanoia said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
That pretty much nails it.
Not really. It's not really about full on tongue right up the anal passage rimming. Success can often be achieved being fitting in, performing well and not upsetting too many people along the way. In a big company, you have to do more than a 'good job' if you want to go higher than middle management.Edited by SystemParanoia on Friday 21st October 12:44
You sound like a child, tbh.
As I fully expected, a torrent of ridicule and disgust towards my post.
I mentioned earlier, I think a few people are taking it slightly the wrong way, or maybe I should have added more content.
I did work hard, I didn't turn down any work I was asked to do, I went on any and every course I was asked to, I never complained about getting up at 5:30am and getting back at 7:30pm because they asked me if I wouldn't mind working in another office down the country for a few days here and there, I tried to come up with ideas and save them money.
I genuinely worked hard for the business.
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
There were plenty of really intelligent people where I worked who were great at their jobs, but they spent their time bhing about how they had worked there for 20 years and had never got anywhere.
There are limits of course, I doubt I would have progressed further no matter how well I got on with the directors. I knew my limits of skill and ability.
I was trying to draw attention to the fact that successful career progression requires hard work, skills, and also a surprising about of hob-nobbing with the big cheeses...
I mentioned earlier, I think a few people are taking it slightly the wrong way, or maybe I should have added more content.
I did work hard, I didn't turn down any work I was asked to do, I went on any and every course I was asked to, I never complained about getting up at 5:30am and getting back at 7:30pm because they asked me if I wouldn't mind working in another office down the country for a few days here and there, I tried to come up with ideas and save them money.
I genuinely worked hard for the business.
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
There were plenty of really intelligent people where I worked who were great at their jobs, but they spent their time b
hing about how they had worked there for 20 years and had never got anywhere.There are limits of course, I doubt I would have progressed further no matter how well I got on with the directors. I knew my limits of skill and ability.
I was trying to draw attention to the fact that successful career progression requires hard work, skills, and also a surprising about of hob-nobbing with the big cheeses...
anonymous said:
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100k is a high salary and he was saying to maintain a certain lifestyle, however it depends on point of view, to someone not working, living in social housing with no children salary that is like winning the lottery, for a single earner with three kids, sure its still a high salary, always will be but if you need to pay for your own accommodation, at full price it doesnt quite stack up the same.That single earner wouldnt get any child benefit for the three kids, thought two 50k earners in a house would, bizarre !
If you are paying a mortgage that £5500 is probably halved in London, so you have £2750 left, still a decent chunk, but you need to pay bills, you need to get to work so have transport costs, you need to put food on the table for 5 people, kids always need stuff etc etc.
Not saying anyone should feel sorry for a 100k earner, that isnt going to happen but you work to your budget, that salary may not be quite the lavish lifestyle and complete freedom from money worries it may seem.
SystemParanoia said:
Dont forget the rimmers are normally the office snitches that endlessly run off to "tell the teacher" that xyz said this, or abc did/didnt do that, all while pretending to be part of the team... notice that they NEVER offer to help the team out, EVER! only ever snitching and rimming
Bitter much?Edited by SystemParanoia on Friday 21st October 12:44
NinjaPower said:
As I fully expected, a torrent of ridicule and disgust towards my post.
I mentioned earlier, I think a few people are taking it slightly the wrong way, or maybe I should have added more content.
I did work hard, I didn't turn down any work I was asked to do, I went on any and every course I was asked to, I never complained about getting up at 5:30am and getting back at 7:30pm because they asked me if I wouldn't mind working in another office down the country for a few days here and there, I tried to come up with ideas and save them money.
I genuinely worked hard for the business.
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
There were plenty of really intelligent people where I worked who were great at their jobs, but they spent their time bhing about how they had worked there for 20 years and had never got anywhere.
There are limits of course, I doubt I would have progressed further no matter how well I got on with the directors. I knew my limits of skill and ability.
I was trying to draw attention to the fact that successful career progression requires hard work, skills, and also a surprising about of hob-nobbing with the big cheeses...
Well, I've been with you all the way until you mentioned that you have hobnobs with your cheese. You're a fI mentioned earlier, I think a few people are taking it slightly the wrong way, or maybe I should have added more content.
I did work hard, I didn't turn down any work I was asked to do, I went on any and every course I was asked to, I never complained about getting up at 5:30am and getting back at 7:30pm because they asked me if I wouldn't mind working in another office down the country for a few days here and there, I tried to come up with ideas and save them money.
I genuinely worked hard for the business.
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
There were plenty of really intelligent people where I worked who were great at their jobs, but they spent their time b
hing about how they had worked there for 20 years and had never got anywhere.There are limits of course, I doubt I would have progressed further no matter how well I got on with the directors. I knew my limits of skill and ability.
I was trying to draw attention to the fact that successful career progression requires hard work, skills, and also a surprising about of hob-nobbing with the big cheeses...
king animal. Love all this "rimming not for me", "snitches", "blowjobs" rubbish, I thought I'd left school 20yrs ago.
What people forget in business is that your boss / team member / customer / even dreaded accounts dept are all people like you doing a job they may or may not like.
Being pleasant to them, acknowledging then, occasionally going out of the way to help (even if it's not your job description
), offing to take something on instead of trying to hide will take you a long way.
Off course, you can always just avoid work, joke about the so called brown noser's with your mates and call then snitches. At least this will give you something to complain about down the pub when you've been passed over for promotion again......
What people forget in business is that your boss / team member / customer / even dreaded accounts dept are all people like you doing a job they may or may not like.
Being pleasant to them, acknowledging then, occasionally going out of the way to help (even if it's not your job description
), offing to take something on instead of trying to hide will take you a long way.Off course, you can always just avoid work, joke about the so called brown noser's with your mates and call then snitches. At least this will give you something to complain about down the pub when you've been passed over for promotion again......
NinjaPower said:
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
I wouldn't call this brown-nosing. I've come across brown-nosers and working hard isn't what they do. Brown nosers aim to be seen to be delivering the good news, whilst makng themselves as scarce and as distant as possible when there's bad news.You are essentially just exercising a sensible level of social awareness. If you behave like an opinionated, bitter, bad tempered arse then people aren't going to warm to you or say nice things about you. Very few people can behave like that and progress, regardless of how hard you work or how much money you make for the company.
Rub people up the wrong way, and you are inevitably on borrowed time.
I think we all know what co*ck-sucking looks like (running errands, laughing at crap jokes, telling lies to go along with a superiors view point), and those people really don't last amongst their peers, even if management don't initially see it.
It's just a bit of social awareness and it goes a long way, over and above effort and skill.
To the OP, how did you not realise that the majority of people live like this?
I come from a town in N.Wales and the vast majority of people solely live for the weekend to get as F****d up as possible for as little as possible, rinse and repeat.
My brother and I were the first (bar one Aunt), from our family to go to University to try and escape the place, don't get me wrong we were never poor as children but our parents instilled the need to develop yourself and never be complacent if you wish to achieve.
90% of my friends back home work shifts and O.T most weekends, 10-15% deal class a drugs, 50-60% work s*** hours on zero hour contracts in the knowledge they have a job for at least another week ...
Some live at home (25+), rent or live with a friend (renting), double garages, FTSE, currency fluctuations affecting their current investments mean the sum of nothing to them, a portion do own their own home but only if their parents, grandparents have helped or they have bought as a couple.
As you said, most struggle to get by, as their parents did when they were younger except now they have zero chance to afford their own home on £18k a year in an unsecure job, even where you can still get a house for £90k.
Sometimes people on here need to take a step back and realise how well-off they are.
I come from a town in N.Wales and the vast majority of people solely live for the weekend to get as F****d up as possible for as little as possible, rinse and repeat.
My brother and I were the first (bar one Aunt), from our family to go to University to try and escape the place, don't get me wrong we were never poor as children but our parents instilled the need to develop yourself and never be complacent if you wish to achieve.
90% of my friends back home work shifts and O.T most weekends, 10-15% deal class a drugs, 50-60% work s*** hours on zero hour contracts in the knowledge they have a job for at least another week ...
Some live at home (25+), rent or live with a friend (renting), double garages, FTSE, currency fluctuations affecting their current investments mean the sum of nothing to them, a portion do own their own home but only if their parents, grandparents have helped or they have bought as a couple.
As you said, most struggle to get by, as their parents did when they were younger except now they have zero chance to afford their own home on £18k a year in an unsecure job, even where you can still get a house for £90k.
Sometimes people on here need to take a step back and realise how well-off they are.
NinjaPower said:
As I fully expected, a torrent of ridicule and disgust towards my post.
I mentioned earlier, I think a few people are taking it slightly the wrong way, or maybe I should have added more content.
I did work hard, I didn't turn down any work I was asked to do, I went on any and every course I was asked to, I never complained about getting up at 5:30am and getting back at 7:30pm because they asked me if I wouldn't mind working in another office down the country for a few days here and there, I tried to come up with ideas and save them money.
I genuinely worked hard for the business.
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
There were plenty of really intelligent people where I worked who were great at their jobs, but they spent their time bhing about how they had worked there for 20 years and had never got anywhere.
There are limits of course, I doubt I would have progressed further no matter how well I got on with the directors. I knew my limits of skill and ability.
I was trying to draw attention to the fact that successful career progression requires hard work, skills, and also a surprising about of hob-nobbing with the big cheeses...
It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's what you're saying you did so others should, and to others, the cost of getting to where you did is greater than the perceived reward. For many people, getting to second in command isnt what pulls them into work every morning. It could be a million other things, from the free bacon butties to the knowledge that they have Senior Assistant and that's as far as they want to go. I mentioned earlier, I think a few people are taking it slightly the wrong way, or maybe I should have added more content.
I did work hard, I didn't turn down any work I was asked to do, I went on any and every course I was asked to, I never complained about getting up at 5:30am and getting back at 7:30pm because they asked me if I wouldn't mind working in another office down the country for a few days here and there, I tried to come up with ideas and save them money.
I genuinely worked hard for the business.
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
There were plenty of really intelligent people where I worked who were great at their jobs, but they spent their time b
hing about how they had worked there for 20 years and had never got anywhere.There are limits of course, I doubt I would have progressed further no matter how well I got on with the directors. I knew my limits of skill and ability.
I was trying to draw attention to the fact that successful career progression requires hard work, skills, and also a surprising about of hob-nobbing with the big cheeses...
I admire your honesty in your earlier post. The actions and the cost though, to me arent where I'd want to spend my time and effort.
I've had 3 bosses in the last 4 jobs who probably gave me more respect for straight out questioning their logic. They hired me to tell them what their problems were, or to go fix stuff that they knew was broken, they just didnt know the extent of how broken. Or they wanted X to do Y.
I could have led them along and told them how great they'd done, when they asked if everything was f
ked I could have said 'no, you've done a great job' and they'd have smiled and said 'Andy, you're a good lad, thanks a lot' Instead I laid it out for them and put in a plan of how to fix it and how they shouldnt get involved in it again if they didnt want it to f
k back up. It doesnt make you friends, necessarily, and it's not always about that. I'd rather have a straight shootout with a problem than schmooze and sleaze it around. While it might not grease the wheels, people will know exactly where they and I stand all the time. If you're not a good fake, it gets spotted and worked out by most people who're bothered about it
WestyCarl said:
Love all this "rimming not for me", "snitches", "blowjobs" rubbish, I thought I'd left school 20yrs ago.
What people forget in business is that your boss / team member / customer / even dreaded accounts dept are all people like you doing a job they may or may not like.
Being pleasant to them, acknowledging then, occasionally going out of the way to help (even if it's not your job description), offing to take something on instead of trying to hide will take you a long way.
Off course, you can always just avoid work, joke about the so called brown noser's with your mates and call then snitches. At least this will give you something to complain about down the pub when you've been passed over for promotion again......
^This.What people forget in business is that your boss / team member / customer / even dreaded accounts dept are all people like you doing a job they may or may not like.
Being pleasant to them, acknowledging then, occasionally going out of the way to help (even if it's not your job description
), offing to take something on instead of trying to hide will take you a long way.Off course, you can always just avoid work, joke about the so called brown noser's with your mates and call then snitches. At least this will give you something to complain about down the pub when you've been passed over for promotion again......
My grandfather often told a great story on the subject. He was interviewing for a position and, as one of the applicants was shown into his office, there was a moment of mutual recognition and an immediate conclusion to the interview; the guy had been my grandfather's boos a good while before, and was an utter b
d. Aside from genuinely disliking the man, he was even less keen on his morals and conduct. My grandfather used to end the tale by emphasising; be careful who you tread on on the way up, you might need their help on the way down.In general, unless people specifically do something to suggest otherwise, they deserve a degree of empathy and respect, whoever they are.
WestyCarl said:
Love all this "rimming not for me", "snitches", "blowjobs" rubbish, I thought I'd left school 20yrs ago.
What people forget in business is that your boss / team member / customer / even dreaded accounts dept are all people like you doing a job they may or may not like.
Being pleasant to them, acknowledging then, occasionally going out of the way to help (even if it's not your job description), offing to take something on instead of trying to hide will take you a long way.
Thats not really arse licking is it , thats just day to day stuff that keeps people employable and rather standard.What people forget in business is that your boss / team member / customer / even dreaded accounts dept are all people like you doing a job they may or may not like.
Being pleasant to them, acknowledging then, occasionally going out of the way to help (even if it's not your job description
), offing to take something on instead of trying to hide will take you a long way.NinjaPower said:
As I fully expected, a torrent of ridicule and disgust towards my post.
I mentioned earlier, I think a few people are taking it slightly the wrong way, or maybe I should have added more content.
I did work hard, I didn't turn down any work I was asked to do, I went on any and every course I was asked to, I never complained about getting up at 5:30am and getting back at 7:30pm because they asked me if I wouldn't mind working in another office down the country for a few days here and there, I tried to come up with ideas and save them money.
I genuinely worked hard for the business.
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
There were plenty of really intelligent people where I worked who were great at their jobs, but they spent their time bhing about how they had worked there for 20 years and had never got anywhere.
There are limits of course, I doubt I would have progressed further no matter how well I got on with the directors. I knew my limits of skill and ability.
I was trying to draw attention to the fact that successful career progression requires hard work, skills, and also a surprising about of hob-nobbing with the big cheeses...
Fair enough. I have encountered a few genuinely useless individuals who are true to the original spirit of the brown noser I mentioned earlier, I think a few people are taking it slightly the wrong way, or maybe I should have added more content.
I did work hard, I didn't turn down any work I was asked to do, I went on any and every course I was asked to, I never complained about getting up at 5:30am and getting back at 7:30pm because they asked me if I wouldn't mind working in another office down the country for a few days here and there, I tried to come up with ideas and save them money.
I genuinely worked hard for the business.
What I was trying to get across was the fact that if it hadn't been for the 'brown nosing' and social aspects of my work, I wouldn't have got to where I did.
There were plenty of really intelligent people where I worked who were great at their jobs, but they spent their time b
hing about how they had worked there for 20 years and had never got anywhere.There are limits of course, I doubt I would have progressed further no matter how well I got on with the directors. I knew my limits of skill and ability.
I was trying to draw attention to the fact that successful career progression requires hard work, skills, and also a surprising about of hob-nobbing with the big cheeses...
I took it that you were brazenly boasting of your ability to assume a position of influence without resorting to 'real work'!
JoeMarano said:
Nanook said:
So there's no incentive to work hard, because you're not allowed to become rich. Well, not no incentive, but you're removing a very big one.
You chose to go join the army. I chose to go to university. Now you're complaining that you probably earn less than me, and there's something wrong with that?
You pay your money, you take your choice. If you're not a brainless muppet, go and better yourself, if you want to earn more money or eat caviar. There's no-one stopping you.
So you went to university. Big whoop! So did I! Course I realised it was a bunch of toss and left after a year then pursued other things..You chose to go join the army. I chose to go to university. Now you're complaining that you probably earn less than me, and there's something wrong with that?
You pay your money, you take your choice. If you're not a brainless muppet, go and better yourself, if you want to earn more money or eat caviar. There's no-one stopping you.
Stilll doesn't answer why you feel like you deserve more money than me?
Because you read a load of books for a few years and went out on the piss and said words like "potentially?" as opposed to getting beasted for years?
In the words of Danny Dyer.
"NICE ONE BRUVVA!!!"
TheJimi said:
SystemParanoia said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
That pretty much nails it.
Not really. It's not really about full on tongue right up the anal passage rimming. Success can often be achieved being fitting in, performing well and not upsetting too many people along the way. In a big company, you have to do more than a 'good job' if you want to go higher than middle management.Edited by SystemParanoia on Friday 21st October 12:44
You sound like a child, tbh.
No! I get my head down and work my ass off... this is what seems to be the problem
HARD WORK DOESNT PAY ( in the long run ) - I may as well spend all day snooping and snitching to get ahead.
put others down instead of holding myself to a higher standard and raising my self above the chaff on merit alone.
There is no bitterness here, just a clearing of the mist of optimism and idealism. and the realisation that unless i bend over and take a shafting.. i wont be gifted anything.
Im fine with that, i will do it the right way; damn to all you sycophants.
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