The reality of life for many MANY people.
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You're thinking of the ones that say they're swamped and cant possibly do any more work, no matter what the task is... and then they spend as much of the day as possible waking up and down the office getting tea after tea after tea with the obligatory natter whilst they wait for the water to boil or the tea to brewIt is possible to work hard, do more than your contemporary's and continually improve on or maintain your KPI's month on month
SystemParanoia said:
Yes, thats it; I go to work and sit at my desk wailing like a mourning mother.
No! I get my head down and work my ass off... this is what seems to be the problem
HARD WORK DOESNT PAY ( in the long run ) - I may as well spend all day snooping and snitching to get ahead.
put others down instead of holding myself to a higher standard and raising my self above the chaff on merit alone.
There is no bitterness here, just a clearing of the mist of optimism and idealism. and the realisation that unless i bend over and take a shafting.. i wont be gifted anything.
Im fine with that, i will do it the right way; damn to all you sycophants.
If you work hard and have high productivity then you get given more work to do. No! I get my head down and work my ass off... this is what seems to be the problem
HARD WORK DOESNT PAY ( in the long run ) - I may as well spend all day snooping and snitching to get ahead.
put others down instead of holding myself to a higher standard and raising my self above the chaff on merit alone.
There is no bitterness here, just a clearing of the mist of optimism and idealism. and the realisation that unless i bend over and take a shafting.. i wont be gifted anything.
Im fine with that, i will do it the right way; damn to all you sycophants.
If you are good at interacting with and organising people AND work hard then you get promoted to management.
It's not rocket surgery!
I'm sure we've all had a manager who's been promoted above their level. They might have been awesome at their previous role, but if they don't have people skills then they will not make a good leader. Or are you happy working for an anti-social boss with poor communication skills?
superkartracer said:
WestyCarl said:
Love all this "rimming not for me", "snitches", "blowjobs" rubbish, I thought I'd left school 20yrs ago.
What people forget in business is that your boss / team member / customer / even dreaded accounts dept are all people like you doing a job they may or may not like.
Being pleasant to them, acknowledging then, occasionally going out of the way to help (even if it's not your job description
), offing to take something on instead of trying to hide will take you a long way.
Thats not really arse licking is it , thats just day to day stuff that keeps people employable and rather standard.What people forget in business is that your boss / team member / customer / even dreaded accounts dept are all people like you doing a job they may or may not like.
Being pleasant to them, acknowledging then, occasionally going out of the way to help (even if it's not your job description
), offing to take something on instead of trying to hide will take you a long way.Mr Will said:
an anti-social boss with poor communication skills?
They're all like that in permie roles.The only decent ones Ive found have been while contracting... and i assure you, that is not the norm even then.
Overall they're not pleasant, they're not polite, and they huff and puff when you don't ask how high when they say jump.
They also REALLY dont like it when you go above their head to highlight a problem that they've been kicking the can on for however long
Granfondo said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's a shade under 200,000 people in the U.K. who earn £250k+
Around 1m earn £100k+
Many more live the lifestyle.
Are those figures real DA?Around 1m earn £100k+
Many more live the lifestyle.
God help this country if interest rates were to go up to even 5%!!!
The real data to look at is how far savings &a investment levels have fallen amongst the high earners. This data isn't so readily available but Equifax data seems to suggest that it has plummeted over the last 20 years.
DonkeyApple said:
Granfondo said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's a shade under 200,000 people in the U.K. who earn £250k+
Around 1m earn £100k+
Many more live the lifestyle.
Are those figures real DA?Around 1m earn £100k+
Many more live the lifestyle.
God help this country if interest rates were to go up to even 5%!!!
The real data to look at is how far savings &a investment levels have fallen amongst the high earners. This data isn't so readily available but Equifax data seems to suggest that it has plummeted over the last 20 years.
. I think it's been a genuinely interesting thread as a result of being in the relative sanity of the Lounge. 
I think this thread is well placed here, and think it is one of the better ones lately.
It seems now to be two threads -or more- in one with cross-postings,
one about how MANY people live (seen from outside and from earlier low-paid job experiences).
One about personal work ethics, the way to be promoted and making career, or not.
One about the possibility -or certainty- that a lot in society, careers and incomes will change,
because some jobs are created and many lost due to future technology.
One about how the baby-boomers and their upcoming pensions will affect lifestyles and incomes.
Whilst I would like the discussion more focussed about the technology stuff,
I find it interesting to read and a good example of the broad spectrum in PH.
It seems now to be two threads -or more- in one with cross-postings,
one about how MANY people live (seen from outside and from earlier low-paid job experiences).
One about personal work ethics, the way to be promoted and making career, or not.
One about the possibility -or certainty- that a lot in society, careers and incomes will change,
because some jobs are created and many lost due to future technology.
One about how the baby-boomers and their upcoming pensions will affect lifestyles and incomes.
Whilst I would like the discussion more focussed about the technology stuff,
I find it interesting to read and a good example of the broad spectrum in PH.
Edited by Benni on Friday 21st October 16:58
After all this is said and done, you then have the nagging thought that there must be more to life than just being nice to your superiors to get a good position in a corporate machine to afford a more expensive house and a newer car. What about personal happiness and wellbeing? General satisfaction? What about all there is to see and do in the world? What about other, completely different ways to live life? When I was in Austria recently I was in awe at a couple just a few years older than me, that spent their days living on a lake edge and renting out boats. Bliss.
Obviously, it's better to have than not have. But there must be more to life, more than you can squeeze in to 3 weeks holiday a year...
I think really it should boil down to doing what makes you happy. Anything else is potentially time wasted.
Obviously, it's better to have than not have. But there must be more to life, more than you can squeeze in to 3 weeks holiday a year...
I think really it should boil down to doing what makes you happy. Anything else is potentially time wasted.
Edited by danllama on Friday 21st October 17:18
I live in the south wales valleys the not so bad side of it but not what you will call middle class area. Many people are just happy to do the bare minimum to get enough money to pay the bills and go out and get pissed on the weekend. Many with kids are actually worse off if they work any harder than needed as their benefits drop so they don't see the point.
Me well just changed jobs for a pay rise as the old place was never going anywhere with that now on 18k per year which is plenty for me at 24 yes I still live my parents but then again my father didn't leave home till he was 29. I could if I wanted have a house atm but atm my dad is still alive and in good health so I want to and have been competiting in a grass routes sprint series with my kit car I built when I was 19.
Life is for living so for me atm I'm happy living at home enjoying my race car with my father while he has good health over doing nothing if I had a house right now, If he were to pass away tomorrow I would have them memories of him seeing me winner events and enjoying my hard work.
Things will change and I'm building up a nice sum of money to get a house in 2 years or so by myself and in the process of building up a workshop so I can go self employed within the next 5 year.
Am I well off no compared to others am poor but I'm happy and living my life as what I fit too see so that all that matters. That's just my take on things.
Me well just changed jobs for a pay rise as the old place was never going anywhere with that now on 18k per year which is plenty for me at 24 yes I still live my parents but then again my father didn't leave home till he was 29. I could if I wanted have a house atm but atm my dad is still alive and in good health so I want to and have been competiting in a grass routes sprint series with my kit car I built when I was 19.
Life is for living so for me atm I'm happy living at home enjoying my race car with my father while he has good health over doing nothing if I had a house right now, If he were to pass away tomorrow I would have them memories of him seeing me winner events and enjoying my hard work.
Things will change and I'm building up a nice sum of money to get a house in 2 years or so by myself and in the process of building up a workshop so I can go self employed within the next 5 year.
Am I well off no compared to others am poor but I'm happy and living my life as what I fit too see so that all that matters. That's just my take on things.
danllama said:
I think really it should boil down to doing what makes you happy. Anything else is potentially time wasted.
As the previous two posters allude, better to enjoy the 49 weeks than to live for the 3. Much, much more to life than narrowly defined goals and the treadmill of paying for them.Edited by danllama on Friday 21st October 17:18
There's an element of truth that, in at least some regard, we all "buy s
t we don't need, with money we don't have, to impress people we don't like". It's also true that it's very easy for the things you own to end up owning you.
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