The reality of life for many MANY people.
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Robertj21a said:
An employer shouldn't have to shift a lot of muck, an interested recruit should come much better equipped than the pathetic offerings nowadays.
Equally a lot of employers have pathetic offerings nowadays,plenty of ridiculously low wages for using your own car/expecting flexible part time hours for peanuts/working away for minimal recompense/zero hours etc.I've seen quite a few young'uns have the piss taken out of them by employers.
Funkycoldribena said:
Robertj21a said:
An employer shouldn't have to shift a lot of muck, an interested recruit should come much better equipped than the pathetic offerings nowadays.
Equally a lot of employers have pathetic offerings nowadays,plenty of ridiculously low wages for using your own car/expecting flexible part time hours for peanuts/working away for minimal recompense/zero hours etc.I've seen quite a few young'uns have the piss taken out of them by employers.
http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/Carers-in-the-communit...
and another
https://recruitment.necgroup.co.uk/tlive_webrecrui...
Edited by SystemParanoia on Tuesday 25th October 22:29
SystemParanoia said:
example of piss take job
http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/Carers-in-the-communit...
and another
https://recruitment.necgroup.co.uk/tlive_webrecrui...
Free parking-how generous!http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/Carers-in-the-communit...
and another
https://recruitment.necgroup.co.uk/tlive_webrecrui...
Edited by SystemParanoia on Tuesday 25th October 22:29
johnfm said:
Seems like an epiphany which has pricked the bubble we live in.
Makes it easier to understand Brexit vote when you realise many people do not care about GBP:USD exchange rate or the FTSE - as they don;t have a villa in Tuscany to complete on nor a share portfolio.
It's not many John, it's the vast majority, as in probably 99.9% of the UK's population. Makes it easier to understand Brexit vote when you realise many people do not care about GBP:USD exchange rate or the FTSE - as they don;t have a villa in Tuscany to complete on nor a share portfolio.
This thread is fascinating. The subject is something that I have often thought about. My life is comfortable, but I do feel guilty when I see brighter people who work hard struggle to make ends meet.
Ninjapower's post was very good. It was interesting to see the responses. All the people who agreed with him seem to have nice cars in their proofiles, and all the people who disagreed with him don't list any cars at all.
I think that Ninja missed out a couple of important things.
The first is confidence. You cannot go for a promotion if you feel that you will not be up to the job. It really doesn't matter if the confidence is justified. When I started my business I thought that I was above average intelligence. By the time that I discovered that I was perfectly average, it was too late. The business was already making good profits, and it didn't matter that I wasn't particularily bright.
Determination is the important thing, and determination is born of confidence.
The second is ambition. You cannot have ambition without confidence. You need to know where you want to go if you are to stand any chance of getting there.
Ninjapower's post was very good. It was interesting to see the responses. All the people who agreed with him seem to have nice cars in their proofiles, and all the people who disagreed with him don't list any cars at all.
I think that Ninja missed out a couple of important things.
The first is confidence. You cannot go for a promotion if you feel that you will not be up to the job. It really doesn't matter if the confidence is justified. When I started my business I thought that I was above average intelligence. By the time that I discovered that I was perfectly average, it was too late. The business was already making good profits, and it didn't matter that I wasn't particularily bright.
Determination is the important thing, and determination is born of confidence.
The second is ambition. You cannot have ambition without confidence. You need to know where you want to go if you are to stand any chance of getting there.
don4l said:
This thread is fascinating. The subject is something that I have often thought about. My life is comfortable, but I do feel guilty when I see brighter people who work hard struggle to make ends meet.
Ninjapower's post was very good. It was interesting to see the responses. All the people who agreed with him seem to have nice cars in their proofiles, and all the people who disagreed with him don't list any cars at all.
I think that Ninja missed out a couple of important things.
The first is confidence. You cannot go for a promotion if you feel that you will not be up to the job. It really doesn't matter if the confidence is justified. When I started my business I thought that I was above average intelligence. By the time that I discovered that I was perfectly average, it was too late. The business was already making good profits, and it didn't matter that I wasn't particularily bright.
Determination is the important thing, and determination is born of confidence.
The second is ambition. You cannot have ambition without confidence. You need to know where you want to go if you are to stand any chance of getting there.
Totally agree with what you have said and I also find it an immensely interesting topic having working at a few different sizes of company, I have seen a lot of it. Some of the studies on executives back up what you and ninja have said quite strongly. Especially on intelligence. Same goes for many business owners. Have the confidence, work ethic and perhaps average intelligence, which is good enough combined with all the other things. Ninjapower's post was very good. It was interesting to see the responses. All the people who agreed with him seem to have nice cars in their proofiles, and all the people who disagreed with him don't list any cars at all.
I think that Ninja missed out a couple of important things.
The first is confidence. You cannot go for a promotion if you feel that you will not be up to the job. It really doesn't matter if the confidence is justified. When I started my business I thought that I was above average intelligence. By the time that I discovered that I was perfectly average, it was too late. The business was already making good profits, and it didn't matter that I wasn't particularily bright.
Determination is the important thing, and determination is born of confidence.
The second is ambition. You cannot have ambition without confidence. You need to know where you want to go if you are to stand any chance of getting there.
I did notice that trend too with ninjapowers post. I was one exception, I agree with him, but have not put my cars in my profile.
Well done on succeeding on your own. I can imagine it could be hugely stressful until it reaches such a time of making good profits, especially if there is no plan B. Once its running well, in many cases, would be plain sailing.
Funkycoldribena said:
Equally a lot of employers have pathetic offerings nowadays,plenty of ridiculously low wages for using your own car/expecting flexible part time hours for peanuts/working away for minimal recompense/zero hours etc.
I've seen quite a few young'uns have the piss taken out of them by employers.
Not just 'young uns' think it can happen across the board.I've seen quite a few young'uns have the piss taken out of them by employers.
chilistrucker said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Equally a lot of employers have pathetic offerings nowadays,plenty of ridiculously low wages for using your own car/expecting flexible part time hours for peanuts/working away for minimal recompense/zero hours etc.
I've seen quite a few young'uns have the piss taken out of them by employers.
Not just 'young uns' think it can happen across the board.I've seen quite a few young'uns have the piss taken out of them by employers.
It was a domiciliary care position.
They Demanded:
- That you drove
- That you had your own car
- That you provided your own business use cover
- That you be available to them exclusively and During Unsociable hours
- Minimum wage
- Mileage allowance only via HMRC
- Wages only paid whilst on site with client - travel time not accounted for ( call to clock in and out not freephone and company phone not provided )
- Threat of dismissal ( or being put to the back of the que ) if you are unavailable for any reason
- Zero Hours Contract
and on minimum wage you're not going to have a car with guaranteed reliability without bankrupting yourself or living without food, heat or light
I asked about a company car/van/bus-pass due to reasons i just laid out above, and i got chastised for being a time waster.
Utter Scum
SystemParanoia said:
I called one of those piss take jobs just to see what the real deal was.
It was a domiciliary care position.
They Demanded:
and on minimum wage you're not going to have a car with guaranteed reliability without bankrupting yourself or living without food, heat or light
I asked about a company car/van/bus-pass due to reasons i just laid out above, and i got chastised for being a time waster.
Utter Scum
Bit off topic, but even doing that, these firms are still losing money and walking away from contracts.It was a domiciliary care position.
They Demanded:
- That you drove
- That you had your own car
- That you provided your own business use cover
- That you be available to them exclusively and During Unsociable hours
- Minimum wage
- Mileage allowance only via HMRC
- Wages only paid whilst on site with client - travel time not accounted for ( call to clock in and out not freephone and company phone not provided )
- Threat of dismissal ( or being put to the back of the que ) if you are unavailable for any reason
- Zero Hours Contract
and on minimum wage you're not going to have a car with guaranteed reliability without bankrupting yourself or living without food, heat or light
I asked about a company car/van/bus-pass due to reasons i just laid out above, and i got chastised for being a time waster.
Utter Scum
k all on care so this is the outcome. SystemParanoia said:
Sheepshanks said:
Bit off topic, but even doing that, these firms are still losing money and walking away from contracts.
They need to rethink their entire business model if its still failing even whilst they take the piss and exploit the desperate and ignorantOn the flip side, when bank debt rates start increasing they'll all be going bust anyway.
SystemParanoia said:
chilistrucker said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Equally a lot of employers have pathetic offerings nowadays,plenty of ridiculously low wages for using your own car/expecting flexible part time hours for peanuts/working away for minimal recompense/zero hours etc.
I've seen quite a few young'uns have the piss taken out of them by employers.
Not just 'young uns' think it can happen across the board.I've seen quite a few young'uns have the piss taken out of them by employers.
It was a domiciliary care position.
They Demanded:
- That you drove
- That you had your own car
- That you provided your own business use cover
- That you be available to them exclusively and During Unsociable hours
- Minimum wage
- Mileage allowance only via HMRC
- Wages only paid whilst on site with client - travel time not accounted for ( call to clock in and out not freephone and company phone not provided )
- Threat of dismissal ( or being put to the back of the que ) if you are unavailable for any reason
- Zero Hours Contract
and on minimum wage you're not going to have a car with guaranteed reliability without bankrupting yourself or living without food, heat or light
I asked about a company car/van/bus-pass due to reasons i just laid out above, and i got chastised for being a time waster.
Utter Scum
They also dictate how long a task will take, so you might get sent to a client to a particular task and they say its 30 minutes. The drive there is on your own time, and the cost of getting there is down to you. If it takes more than 30 minutes then its unpaid. Often tasks don't run back to back so you have travelling time to and from the client address.
I would say that for a full days work get paid for 50% of that, and then you have to pay for the car, fuel etc. Some days my wife would literally earn a couple of pounds.
Its probably the worst abuse of the minimum wage/zero hours/employment status going, and ultimately its doing work for a public body.
I would love to see the owners of these companies in court.
anonymous said:
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a couple with two children both under the age of four, who are both working (one full-time at £10.50 an hour and the other for 20 hours a week at the living wage) will be £2,000 worse off in 2020 than would have been the case without the double hit from the effects of Osborne’s policies and the Brexit vote.
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a single parent with one child under the age of four, working full-time on the minimum wage, would in 2020 be £3,800 worse off as a result of measures announced in this parliament so far
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a single parent with one child under the age of four, working full-time on the minimum wage, would in 2020 be £3,800 worse off as a result of measures announced in this parliament so far
This is computer modelling from economists, economists who make assumptions when programming and inputting to those models, each economist with their own political leaning and agenda. They don't have to be part of a marxist elbow-patch cadre, nor do they have to be tory tofu tasters, they just have to be human economists.
Economists who do so well when looking into the future. Here are a couple of samples which economists cooked up earlier covering the last ~ 5-10 years showing the level of prescience we can expect.
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