The reality of life for many MANY people.
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Nanook said:
316Mining said:
You think? My daughter has been taken on by a Tech company. They are paying her Uni fees (all her Uni fees, buying her books and gave her a laptop and mobile)., paying her £14k a year to study (starting wage, to rise every year), and guaranteeing her a job with a base salary of £28k minimum on completion of her degree.
She's 18 and has three A levels. No other quals or experience (she worked in a sweet shop over the summer holidays).
She sounds like a very lucky girl.She's 18 and has three A levels. No other quals or experience (she worked in a sweet shop over the summer holidays).
Not suggesting for a second that she hasn't earned it, or doesn't deserve it, but there are many people out there that also deserve it, and won't get that lucky break.
Reason I ask is because when I was at university (2000), companies were so desperate to get women into IT that they offered them jobs men couldn't even apply for.
There were only a handful of women on my course (probably five or ten if I recall). When we were hunting for sandwich year jobs, we noticed three had been taken in by one company. When we asked if we could apply, we were told no as it was a female only job offer. The pay was far more generous than anyone else was getting too.
Funny really as on reflection, it would have been torn to bits if it was a male only option.
316Mining said:
Her scholarship programme was undersubscribed by the way. The company was offering up to 40 places but only awarded 24.
As you appear to be uninterested in sharing where or how your kid obtained this opportunity I've just had a quick look into it as I previously had no idea there were jobs you could get where thay pay for your degree! And I'm sure others would find the info useful to.I've found one site
http://www.notgoingtouni.co.uk
If any PHers know of others post em here ta.
Edited by SystemParanoia on Tuesday 29th November 11:50
SystemParanoia said:
316Mining said:
Her scholarship programme was undersubscribed by the way. The company was offering up to 40 places but only awarded 24.
As you appear to be ininterested in sharing where or how your kid obtained this opportunity I've just had a quick look into it as I previously had no idea there were jobs you could get where thay pay for your degree! And I'm sure others would find the info usefull to.I've found one site
http://www.notgoingtouni.co.uk
If any PHers know of others post em here ta.
SystemParanoia said:
316Mining said:
Her scholarship programme was undersubscribed by the way. The company was offering up to 40 places but only awarded 24.
As you appear to be uninterested in sharing where or how your kid obtained this opportunity I've just had a quick look into it as I previously had no idea there were jobs you could get where thay pay for your degree! And I'm sure others would find the info useful to.I've found one site
http://www.notgoingtouni.co.uk
If any PHers know of others post em here ta.
Edited by SystemParanoia on Tuesday 29th November 11:50
Most major tech companies run such schemes - IBM, MS, CGI, FUJITSU, (not sure about HP) in the tech sector.
Most large financial companies offer similar.
funkyrobot said:
Was it a female only thing?
Reason I ask is because when I was at university (2000), companies were so desperate to get women into IT that they offered them jobs men couldn't even apply for.
There were only a handful of women on my course (probably five or ten if I recall). When we were hunting for sandwich year jobs, we noticed three had been taken in by one company. When we asked if we could apply, we were told no as it was a female only job offer. The pay was far more generous than anyone else was getting too.
Funny really as on reflection, it would have been torn to bits if it was a male only option.
There are roughly 18 young men and 6 young women on the course but I'm not exactly sure about the split. Buit its around that weighting.Reason I ask is because when I was at university (2000), companies were so desperate to get women into IT that they offered them jobs men couldn't even apply for.
There were only a handful of women on my course (probably five or ten if I recall). When we were hunting for sandwich year jobs, we noticed three had been taken in by one company. When we asked if we could apply, we were told no as it was a female only job offer. The pay was far more generous than anyone else was getting too.
Funny really as on reflection, it would have been torn to bits if it was a male only option.
alorotom said:
I would say what your daughter has got is very very very rare and the internships are normally post qualification (or sandwich year) and unpaid ... I've never really heard of any scholarship like you have described for your daughter outside of Ivy League for the very privileged few in the US
She's not 'ivy league', probably wouldn't have got into Oxbridge, although not far off(she got AABC at A level, and 12 A*/A's at GCSE).
She sourced this herself with research by herself as a 17 year old.
The company were looking to take on 40, I think they interviewed around 60, but were surprised at the small pool of potential candidates.
Some candidates were clearly not good enough and failed the selection process. However I think this is normal for a company looking to invest so much money in future employees.
One of the kids came from Canada for the selection interviews, and has now moved here to complete the course.
Sheepshanks said:
SystemParanoia said:
316Mining said:
Her scholarship programme was undersubscribed by the way. The company was offering up to 40 places but only awarded 24.
As you appear to be ininterested in sharing where or how your kid obtained this opportunity I've just had a quick look into it as I previously had no idea there were jobs you could get where thay pay for your degree! And I'm sure others would find the info usefull to.I've found one site
http://www.notgoingtouni.co.uk
If any PHers know of others post em here ta.
Mr Snrub said:
Robertj21a said:
NAS said:
In Germany, this kind of thing is very very normal.
I think it's more normal here in the UK than some would have us believe.Don said:
AndrewCrown said:
That's depressing.I don't feel that well off.
Hainey said:
Mr Snrub said:
Robertj21a said:
NAS said:
In Germany, this kind of thing is very very normal.
I think it's more normal here in the UK than some would have us believe.I and loads of friends did the same.
NAS said:
Hainey said:
Mr Snrub said:
Robertj21a said:
NAS said:
In Germany, this kind of thing is very very normal.
I think it's more normal here in the UK than some would have us believe.I and loads of friends did the same.
"Book smart" and "real smart" are two completely different things. I know PHD professors who cant change a tire or cook a dinner for them selves, but on paper are really smart.
I don't have any qualifications other than GCSE's but have worked my way up to a fairly senior position within the IT industry.
In my previous role, i used to get several students from the local university every year come to me to do there industrial placement. A poorly paid year of work whilst at uni.
I guess i have worked with around 15 students, who already have 2 years worth of IT degree under there belt. not one of them would be passable as a 1st line support monkey when they came to me. but they all expect there first job in IT to be at "Management" level.
For me, most can be broken down in to several categorys.
- I wont try, Looks too hard.
- I will try a bit, then whine when i don't succeed
- I will try hard, then whine when i don't succeed
- I will try hard, and when i don't succeed i will try harder.
One of my interview techniques to weed out the ones who don't want to try is to ask them about there idols. who do they aspire to be like and why.
This usually translates in to a list of personal attributes.
Because they are rich, good looking, play football well, were on im a celebratory eating a spider etc...
The ones who get the job give answers like...
They have great personality's, they are really clever, they are adventurous, they are valiant, humble etc...
The first is them wanting to have the things there idol has, the latter is wanting to be like there idol.
I don't have any qualifications other than GCSE's but have worked my way up to a fairly senior position within the IT industry.
In my previous role, i used to get several students from the local university every year come to me to do there industrial placement. A poorly paid year of work whilst at uni.
I guess i have worked with around 15 students, who already have 2 years worth of IT degree under there belt. not one of them would be passable as a 1st line support monkey when they came to me. but they all expect there first job in IT to be at "Management" level.
For me, most can be broken down in to several categorys.
- I wont try, Looks too hard.
- I will try a bit, then whine when i don't succeed
- I will try hard, then whine when i don't succeed
- I will try hard, and when i don't succeed i will try harder.
One of my interview techniques to weed out the ones who don't want to try is to ask them about there idols. who do they aspire to be like and why.
This usually translates in to a list of personal attributes.
Because they are rich, good looking, play football well, were on im a celebratory eating a spider etc...
The ones who get the job give answers like...
They have great personality's, they are really clever, they are adventurous, they are valiant, humble etc...
The first is them wanting to have the things there idol has, the latter is wanting to be like there idol.
Nanook said:
316Mining said:
You think? My daughter has been taken on by a Tech company. They are paying her Uni fees (all her Uni fees, buying her books and gave her a laptop and mobile)., paying her £14k a year to study (starting wage, to rise every year), and guaranteeing her a job with a base salary of £28k minimum on completion of her degree.
She's 18 and has three A levels. No other quals or experience (she worked in a sweet shop over the summer holidays).
She sounds like a very lucky girl.She's 18 and has three A levels. No other quals or experience (she worked in a sweet shop over the summer holidays).
Not suggesting for a second that she hasn't earned it, or doesn't deserve it, but there are many people out there that also deserve it, and won't get that lucky break.
To get this my lad did,
Got 8 good GCSE's
Two years doing a similar course, got distinctions.
Sought out work experience with the company he eventually got the apprenticeship with.
Got interview experience.
Worked in a part time job for 2 and a bit years, took on additional responsibility and hours (5.30 am starts) when offered, got glowing reference off his boss.
Did metalwork practice (was part of the selection process) with my dad, who is a time served engineer.
Learnt to drive
Did countless practice tests.
Read about the industry.
Read about the companies
Traveled all over the country to sit tests and attend open evenings.
Prepared a folio of his work at college to present in the interview.
Bought a new suit and shoes, had a haircut.
Also, he is pretty bright and fairly technical, I am sure there were loads of other candidates but he really went for it and had plenty of support.
If you put the effort in then you can still succeed, I have had work experience kids and out of say 4, only one I would ever consider for a job, he was so enthusiastic and showed me some good stuff he had done, one was ok and with work could be good but the other two, one was fannying about with her phone and ignoring me as I showed her about the job and one went to the loo and didnt come back.
Trouble is, everyone seems to want to win the X factor, be a rapper, be a DJ, be a footballer or a rich kid of Instagram but the reality, even to earn a modest but living wage is you have to go the extra mile, think for yourself and throw yourself into it, the internet makes things easier in this respect, used wisely it is a hell of a tool.
Hainey said:
Fair point. I just find it surprising that we get them in so often. France is another one we get a lot of them from but they tell me when you skype interview them that's because they have to secure a work placement to complete their qualification.
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