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Unruly kids are quite a way down the list of off-putting things in pubs...
The same 3 blokes sat at the bar every night who typically haven't washed for days.
A group of 20 year old blokes drinking vast quantities of lager and swearing every other word.
Clingy couples who cannot keep their hands to themselves.
All of the above are far worse.
The same 3 blokes sat at the bar every night who typically haven't washed for days.
A group of 20 year old blokes drinking vast quantities of lager and swearing every other word.
Clingy couples who cannot keep their hands to themselves.
All of the above are far worse.
TVR1 said:
There IS a reason it's called a PUBLIC HOUSE.
Yes, but it's probably not the reason you think it is. I suppose it's possible you've never heard of licensing laws and legal drinking age, etc. You're aware of public houses that don't allow entry to members of the public under 18, and yet they're still called public houses?
Edited by xRIEx on Sunday 23 October 23:21
You buy 5 pints at £0.24 profit per drink.
Kid's parents buy 2 small cokes at £1.56 profit per drink.
You're f
ked if the landlord (and you) enjoy earning money for a living to keep your local drinking hole open. The problem isn't children in public houses, it's parents not being in control of their middle class "can do no wrong" brats. Welcome to the new generation....
Kid's parents buy 2 small cokes at £1.56 profit per drink.
You're f
ked if the landlord (and you) enjoy earning money for a living to keep your local drinking hole open. The problem isn't children in public houses, it's parents not being in control of their middle class "can do no wrong" brats. Welcome to the new generation....
TVR1 said:
jogger1976 said:
TVR1 said:
There IS a reason it's called a PUBLIC HOUSE.
If you don't like it, drink somewhere else that doesn't cater for parents and children.
As a simily, Just remember, a chap who has enjoyed a sociable few is just as annoying to a sober person as the children are to you. Kids just don't have to drink to achieve that state to gave a good time.
Suggestion? Stop being miserable in a Public House and perhaps think how nice it would be to be someone (a child) who actually doesn't give a Fcuck (mainly cos 'giving a Fcuck' doesn't compute yet) and have fun. I disliked children intensley until I adjusted my attitude towards them.
They arent annoying anymore.
Try it.
So you think it's acceptable to have kids running round, screaming and fighting while the parents do the sum total of fIf you don't like it, drink somewhere else that doesn't cater for parents and children.
As a simily, Just remember, a chap who has enjoyed a sociable few is just as annoying to a sober person as the children are to you. Kids just don't have to drink to achieve that state to gave a good time.
Suggestion? Stop being miserable in a Public House and perhaps think how nice it would be to be someone (a child) who actually doesn't give a Fcuck (mainly cos 'giving a Fcuck' doesn't compute yet) and have fun. I disliked children intensley until I adjusted my attitude towards them.
They arent annoying anymore.
Try it.
k all, despite the obvious annoyance caused?So I'm guessing you'd be happy for the same behaviour to occur when you're trying to have a nice meal with your partner?
Of course you wouldn't, as it's completely disrespectful.
And if you think it's acceptable, then you're a bit of a knob!
If you would then your an even bigger knob than I thought!
I'll reiterate. A Public House is just that.
Perhaps adjust your attitude. Screaming children are probably quite happy. Having fun. Who cares? Not me. I love to hear children screaming and running amok.
You go there to get drunk and have fun too.
(I note your comments about being a cock. But I'm not bothered. I probably am a cock but I've been to a pub this evening and have enjoyed alcohol and I'm in a happy mood)
I'm also not afraid of children.
I'm not afraid of children. In fact kids are great for the most part. Nor am I bothered about children screaming, for example when enjoying themselves in a park, or at a funfair, so I don't need to adjust my attitude, whatever that's supposed to mean?What I won't tolerate is little Johnny running round, screaming, fighting and generally acting in a disruptive manner. I accept that it is not the kids fault, but the fault of lazy, irresponsible parents who haven't instilled basic manners and discipline in their offspring.
But hey, your the expert, so what do I know?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
You buy 5 pints at £0.24 profit per drink.
Kid's parents buy 2 small cokes at £1.56 profit per drink.
You're fked if the landlord (and you) enjoy earning money for a living to keep your local drinking hole open. The problem isn't children in public houses, it's parents not being in control of their middle class "can do no wrong" brats. Welcome to the new generation....
It's not middle class to have unruly offspring. Kid's parents buy 2 small cokes at £1.56 profit per drink.
You're f
ked if the landlord (and you) enjoy earning money for a living to keep your local drinking hole open. The problem isn't children in public houses, it's parents not being in control of their middle class "can do no wrong" brats. Welcome to the new generation....I take my 6 year old and 4 year old boys to the pubhotel as they call it at least once over the weekend. However, they sit down and drink their juice and eat their crisps and we have a chat. No charging around etc. But then I have either taken them to the beach for an hour or up in the woods for an hour so all burnt out. It's when parents replace doing something with their kids for doing something for themselves with their kids in tow that problems occur.
Bring them up in fear. It's the only way.
Things we should not give them:- Allowing into pubs, self confidence, money, knowledge of sex, equality with adults, precedence on buses, pavements, or anywhere else.
Do they now have a joyful, smiling happy childhood? They don't. They scowl and sulk their way through, while cycling and skateboarding over old people and spending more money than their Grandads ever earned. They make everybody else's life absolutely miserable for years until they graduate to Ecstacy and Nightclubs and reach the estate of adulthood themselves.
Children swagger. Well they might, they've got a lot to swagger about. They're in charge. They have learned that nobody can do anything about them. Nobody can discipline them. The schools abdicated that responsibility some years ago, leaving chastisement to their parents.....Unfortunately parents had placed it in the hand of schools long before that, so the result is nobody disciplines them at all, and the bitter fact for all adults is that all children know it.
As a child you can do as you like, it is the only time in life that you can. They are making the most of it. A child can follow a wheelchair-bound old lady down the street, shouting obscenities at her, and nothing can be done about it? Didn't know that did you? Well it's true.
As a witness to the wheelchair incident, what are you going to do? Smack?..Don't be silly. Do you like prison food.
Hold on to the kid and tell it off? Might as well go straight home and daub your own walls.
Gently rebuke the child yourself, verbally? You will thereby effectually transfer the abuse to yourself (and your family and friends) and can be followed round the streets all morning, with this child and it's cohorts, calling you a paedophile.
What if you just report it to the Police? They love the Police these little gangs of hooligans, they don't run away from them, no reason to. They smile when they come and have a jolly good time, play-fighting among themselves with arm-locks to confuse the officers. Teeny girls squeal at the extra attentions of teeny boys when the police are present. A 'telling-off' from the Police is both futile and dangerous, not to the child, to the Officer! Poor Police, impotent and baited.
Should you, or the Police, go to their homes and tell their parents? Ho Ho. There are a lot of unlikelihood's here. First it is not likely that there are two natural parents, maybe a single mother on her own, too harassed to do anything. She's got lots of kids, it's not easy and she may take the line of less resistance and let the kids roam. She may be cross with the child, and be upset and cry. But the idea was to make it bad for the child, not the Mother. Maybe the single mother has a new man who must not lay a finger on 'her' kids.
There's no wrath like that of a father who can actually give them a belt, and no substitute for the effect that can have. Even if there are two proper parents nowadays, they probably do not believe in physical punishment, it is also odd nowadays that parents do not believe that their particular little rat-bag can be guilty of anything.
These parents will also ascribe the anti-social behaviour of their little devil, to those with whom he associates, his unsuitable friends, who keep getting him into trouble. Great myth this is. It is the little devil himself, or herself, and all the other little devils who are no better than one another. Why these parents believe their child would become a paragon of virtue if his playmates changed is a mystery.
Lying used to be the worst crime in the old days, in BTOC. (Before Tyranny Of Children) It isn't now. Kids will deny any wrongdoing. They always do, all the time, and for everything. They lie blithely you see. They lie themselves blue in the face. They have discovered that most often they get away with murder in the absence of proof.
Lies are very powerful. No one can ever be sure. So the parents can't be sure he/she's that bad. You, or the Police, or the Archbishop of Canterbury do not carry much weight in your testimonies if their precious says it was not him. The precious is called Tom. He says the Old Lady was tormented mainly by Dick and partly by Harry. The parents will believe anything bad of Dick and Harry, in fact these are two of the children that will lead their Tom into bad ways.
We knew it all along. The little old lady in the wheel chair is at fault. She tried to get past the bikes on the pavement outside the Post Office. She might have tutted when they threw coke cans down. Perhaps she shook her head when they spat on the pavement, or waved a skinny hand and said 'Don't do that.' when they kicked the shrubs down in the Civic Gardens.
I accept that hitting kids is not a good thing. It's just a better thing than the Old Ladies treatment and all of us tip-toeing around letting little anarchists ruin the place. Not all kids need it anyway. They are different. The best do not perform the anti-social acts I have described. There is great pressure from their peers to do so but many, unfortunately at some personal cost, resist it and behave properly. Let's not start knocking that sort of kid about. It's more difficult for a kid to be good than bad thanks to the masses of nasty kids who are cheeky and rude and disrespectful and violent and cowardly because they have found they have such power.
These disrupters weren't bad to start with. They thought they were just kids and had better keep their heads down and keep out of the way of busy grown ups, and be polite, or they'd be in trouble with everybody. Surprise, surprise, they found they weren't in trouble with anyone. They could upset all those tall people, make some cry, make some argue with each other, but the effect on themselves was virtually nil.
They learn to smirk at age six.
Kids don't worry about sanctions being applied at home. Taking away the x-box, no television, a few less Big Macs. This immediately turns the child more obnoxious at home than it was before. This obnoxious behaviour, which a 'clip of the ear' would soon cure, is so terrible, sanctions are soon relaxed, reparations are even made to restore the 'status quo'.
'Grounding' does not work. It is possible for the average eleven year old to wear down any two adults in an hour of whining and sulking. Those people who took John McCarthy and Terry Waite hostage for years wouldn't have kept them a day if they had been modern kids of twelve.
Now the boot is so thoroughly on the other foot Children can apply counter sanctions. Invoke Esther Rantzen and Childline. Dial-up premium charge calls on the phone. Be 'bored' i.e. start kicking the veneer from the kitchen base unit which is already falling to bits. Be 'difficult' at meal times. (one pea and it can all be thrown away) I'm afraid they have terrible power if they can't be intimidated.
This must all be turned round mustn't it? If these kids were hungry they'd eat anything. If they were always assumed guilty on accusation and given a thrashing, they'd start to avoid the circumstances which led to it. We should assume all children are guilty little swine first, not the adults. It's hard, but turning round this runaway juggernaut is going to be hard, when one extra click on the handbrake would have done the job a few years ago.
Things we should not give them:- Allowing into pubs, self confidence, money, knowledge of sex, equality with adults, precedence on buses, pavements, or anywhere else.
Do they now have a joyful, smiling happy childhood? They don't. They scowl and sulk their way through, while cycling and skateboarding over old people and spending more money than their Grandads ever earned. They make everybody else's life absolutely miserable for years until they graduate to Ecstacy and Nightclubs and reach the estate of adulthood themselves.
Children swagger. Well they might, they've got a lot to swagger about. They're in charge. They have learned that nobody can do anything about them. Nobody can discipline them. The schools abdicated that responsibility some years ago, leaving chastisement to their parents.....Unfortunately parents had placed it in the hand of schools long before that, so the result is nobody disciplines them at all, and the bitter fact for all adults is that all children know it.
As a child you can do as you like, it is the only time in life that you can. They are making the most of it. A child can follow a wheelchair-bound old lady down the street, shouting obscenities at her, and nothing can be done about it? Didn't know that did you? Well it's true.
As a witness to the wheelchair incident, what are you going to do? Smack?..Don't be silly. Do you like prison food.
Hold on to the kid and tell it off? Might as well go straight home and daub your own walls.
Gently rebuke the child yourself, verbally? You will thereby effectually transfer the abuse to yourself (and your family and friends) and can be followed round the streets all morning, with this child and it's cohorts, calling you a paedophile.
What if you just report it to the Police? They love the Police these little gangs of hooligans, they don't run away from them, no reason to. They smile when they come and have a jolly good time, play-fighting among themselves with arm-locks to confuse the officers. Teeny girls squeal at the extra attentions of teeny boys when the police are present. A 'telling-off' from the Police is both futile and dangerous, not to the child, to the Officer! Poor Police, impotent and baited.
Should you, or the Police, go to their homes and tell their parents? Ho Ho. There are a lot of unlikelihood's here. First it is not likely that there are two natural parents, maybe a single mother on her own, too harassed to do anything. She's got lots of kids, it's not easy and she may take the line of less resistance and let the kids roam. She may be cross with the child, and be upset and cry. But the idea was to make it bad for the child, not the Mother. Maybe the single mother has a new man who must not lay a finger on 'her' kids.
There's no wrath like that of a father who can actually give them a belt, and no substitute for the effect that can have. Even if there are two proper parents nowadays, they probably do not believe in physical punishment, it is also odd nowadays that parents do not believe that their particular little rat-bag can be guilty of anything.
These parents will also ascribe the anti-social behaviour of their little devil, to those with whom he associates, his unsuitable friends, who keep getting him into trouble. Great myth this is. It is the little devil himself, or herself, and all the other little devils who are no better than one another. Why these parents believe their child would become a paragon of virtue if his playmates changed is a mystery.
Lying used to be the worst crime in the old days, in BTOC. (Before Tyranny Of Children) It isn't now. Kids will deny any wrongdoing. They always do, all the time, and for everything. They lie blithely you see. They lie themselves blue in the face. They have discovered that most often they get away with murder in the absence of proof.
Lies are very powerful. No one can ever be sure. So the parents can't be sure he/she's that bad. You, or the Police, or the Archbishop of Canterbury do not carry much weight in your testimonies if their precious says it was not him. The precious is called Tom. He says the Old Lady was tormented mainly by Dick and partly by Harry. The parents will believe anything bad of Dick and Harry, in fact these are two of the children that will lead their Tom into bad ways.
We knew it all along. The little old lady in the wheel chair is at fault. She tried to get past the bikes on the pavement outside the Post Office. She might have tutted when they threw coke cans down. Perhaps she shook her head when they spat on the pavement, or waved a skinny hand and said 'Don't do that.' when they kicked the shrubs down in the Civic Gardens.
I accept that hitting kids is not a good thing. It's just a better thing than the Old Ladies treatment and all of us tip-toeing around letting little anarchists ruin the place. Not all kids need it anyway. They are different. The best do not perform the anti-social acts I have described. There is great pressure from their peers to do so but many, unfortunately at some personal cost, resist it and behave properly. Let's not start knocking that sort of kid about. It's more difficult for a kid to be good than bad thanks to the masses of nasty kids who are cheeky and rude and disrespectful and violent and cowardly because they have found they have such power.
These disrupters weren't bad to start with. They thought they were just kids and had better keep their heads down and keep out of the way of busy grown ups, and be polite, or they'd be in trouble with everybody. Surprise, surprise, they found they weren't in trouble with anyone. They could upset all those tall people, make some cry, make some argue with each other, but the effect on themselves was virtually nil.
They learn to smirk at age six.
Kids don't worry about sanctions being applied at home. Taking away the x-box, no television, a few less Big Macs. This immediately turns the child more obnoxious at home than it was before. This obnoxious behaviour, which a 'clip of the ear' would soon cure, is so terrible, sanctions are soon relaxed, reparations are even made to restore the 'status quo'.
'Grounding' does not work. It is possible for the average eleven year old to wear down any two adults in an hour of whining and sulking. Those people who took John McCarthy and Terry Waite hostage for years wouldn't have kept them a day if they had been modern kids of twelve.
Now the boot is so thoroughly on the other foot Children can apply counter sanctions. Invoke Esther Rantzen and Childline. Dial-up premium charge calls on the phone. Be 'bored' i.e. start kicking the veneer from the kitchen base unit which is already falling to bits. Be 'difficult' at meal times. (one pea and it can all be thrown away) I'm afraid they have terrible power if they can't be intimidated.
This must all be turned round mustn't it? If these kids were hungry they'd eat anything. If they were always assumed guilty on accusation and given a thrashing, they'd start to avoid the circumstances which led to it. We should assume all children are guilty little swine first, not the adults. It's hard, but turning round this runaway juggernaut is going to be hard, when one extra click on the handbrake would have done the job a few years ago.
I can't stand badly behave kids in pubs. Well behaved are welcome with open arms but there certainly seems to be a growing problem with naughty kids in pubs.
Do you know why there behaving badly? It's because there bored stupid and looking for a reaction.
Do you know why there bored, it's because unless its a Charlie Chalks kind of outfit pubs are not designed for kids, it's that simple. For a kid, watching grown ups drinking isn't really at the top of their list of fun things to do. An hour here and there with one or both parents, eating, colouring in etc is fine, stretch it much longer and they won't likef it.
It's no different at home, on an airplane, in a car or anywhere else. Bored kids look for trouble even if they don't realise there doing it.
Do you know why there behaving badly? It's because there bored stupid and looking for a reaction.
Do you know why there bored, it's because unless its a Charlie Chalks kind of outfit pubs are not designed for kids, it's that simple. For a kid, watching grown ups drinking isn't really at the top of their list of fun things to do. An hour here and there with one or both parents, eating, colouring in etc is fine, stretch it much longer and they won't likef it.
It's no different at home, on an airplane, in a car or anywhere else. Bored kids look for trouble even if they don't realise there doing it.
speedyguy said:
marcusgrant said:
I'm with the OP.
Pubs are a place for 18+. Or if there are kids, keep them quiet
Restaurants sure, kids are to be expected
That attitude is why many pubs are shutting down for fun yet a major pub/owner slash brewery so opening up coffee shops for fun, more profitable and less dPubs are a place for 18+. Or if there are kids, keep them quiet
Restaurants sure, kids are to be expected
head drinkers ??My local is always busy (genuinely) and there's no kids in there. If a pub closes down it's doing something wrong most likely not keeping up with the times.
Johnnytheboy said:
It's the "rolling about on the floor screaming while the parents ignore them" variety I can do without.
The barbour by me has stopped doing younger childrens hair because of this also the shop has very large floor to ceiling glass windows, She drives a huge Range Rover with big fancy wheels so she can afford to be choosy.Steve Benson said:
I can't stand badly behave kids in pubs. Well behaved are welcome with open arms but there certainly seems to be a growing problem with naughty kids in pubs.
Do you know why there behaving badly? It's because there bored stupid and looking for a reaction.
Do you know why there bored, it's because unless its a Charlie Chalks kind of outfit pubs are not designed for kids, it's that simple. For a kid, watching grown ups drinking isn't really at the top of their list of fun things to do. An hour here and there with one or both parents, eating, colouring in etc is fine, stretch it much longer and they won't likef it.
It's no different at home, on an airplane, in a car or anywhere else. Bored kids look for trouble even if they don't realise there doing it.
We can get about 3 hours out of ours for a Sunday lunch but we've always enjoyed our long Sunday lunches and getting nicely bladdered so the girls have since babies fitted in with us. But the only way it works is, as already mentioned, you release them into the wild for an hour before hand and then engage with them at the table. Do you know why there behaving badly? It's because there bored stupid and looking for a reaction.
Do you know why there bored, it's because unless its a Charlie Chalks kind of outfit pubs are not designed for kids, it's that simple. For a kid, watching grown ups drinking isn't really at the top of their list of fun things to do. An hour here and there with one or both parents, eating, colouring in etc is fine, stretch it much longer and they won't likef it.
It's no different at home, on an airplane, in a car or anywhere else. Bored kids look for trouble even if they don't realise there doing it.
What is offensive is the parents who think it acceptable to treat everyone else as their children's nanny so they can have time away from their children.
Interestingly, another issue I've noticed is that the English will say absolutely nothing to parents behaving unacceptably these days. Frankly, children didn't used to behave badly in nice pubs in the past because their parents used to be reprimanded for their unacceptable behaviour in public. My children are half Italian and one of the pleasant attributes of the Italian culture is firstly that everyone talks to your children as if they are human, not disabled puppies as the English like to, they interact with your children and will not hesitate to correct their behaviour if required.
It used to be that we could not go out with my wife's sister as her kids behaved so bloody badly. We could take our daughter pretty much anywhere.
She thought we (I) were too strict in the way that we brought up our kids, and the fact that they would bloody sit still in public when appropriate. My step-son who was a bit harder to keep still had a colouring case that came to restaurants/pubs and kept him happy.
Having said that... I have seen pubs provide games etc. to help parents help themselves..
She thought we (I) were too strict in the way that we brought up our kids, and the fact that they would bloody sit still in public when appropriate. My step-son who was a bit harder to keep still had a colouring case that came to restaurants/pubs and kept him happy.
Having said that... I have seen pubs provide games etc. to help parents help themselves..
TVR1 said:
There IS a reason it's called a PUBLIC HOUSE.
If you don't like it, drink somewhere else that doesn't cater for parents and children.
As a simily, Just remember, a chap who has enjoyed a sociable few is just as annoying to a sober person as the children are to you. Kids just don't have to drink to achieve that state to gave a good time.
Suggestion? Stop being miserable in a Public House and perhaps think how nice it would be to be someone (a child) who actually doesn't give a Fcuck (mainly cos 'giving a Fcuck' doesn't compute yet) and have fun. I disliked children intensley until I adjusted my attitude towards them.
They arent annoying anymore.
Try it.
As a what, now?If you don't like it, drink somewhere else that doesn't cater for parents and children.
As a simily, Just remember, a chap who has enjoyed a sociable few is just as annoying to a sober person as the children are to you. Kids just don't have to drink to achieve that state to gave a good time.
Suggestion? Stop being miserable in a Public House and perhaps think how nice it would be to be someone (a child) who actually doesn't give a Fcuck (mainly cos 'giving a Fcuck' doesn't compute yet) and have fun. I disliked children intensley until I adjusted my attitude towards them.
They arent annoying anymore.
Try it.
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