Paranormal experiences
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ReaderScars said:
Can you imagine how much he could save the NHS for weeding out the frauds? Very interesting experience you've recounted, nonetheless.
Off topic I know but so would Chirpractors but they are scorned by the NHS and I would have had an operation 12 years ago if it hadn't been for going to one!The urgent one was real bad lower back pain and sciatica as we were about to do a lot of walking and she would have had to give it a miss, the other was diverticulosis that had been causing the -itis up to twice a month for the previous few years and she was lined up for a major op when we got back. In a mess really but cancelled the OP when we got back and hasn't had any issues since. He also told her she had systemic candida (we think) which was causing a kind of tiredness - we saw that one and he tested her arm strength and then put what we think was a yeast culture in her belly button and tested again and she had no arm strength at all - he gave her some liquid to drink and it took about a week until she was back on form.
V6Pushfit said:
At the risk of repetition myself, there's so much we don't understand or has been lost over the centuries.
I know some cultures accept it as you indeed confirm, and they possibly don't fully understand but at least accept. I was in Nepal (or at least Sikkim nearby) myself and one of the party was injured and saw a local man - I would use the word Shamen but not too sure wether that's correct. He identified what was wrong by looking at her and resolved the problem without leaving his sitting position. She recovered immediately and he went on to deal with a long term pre existing issue she had for 6 years, again without leaving his mat and she hasn't had a recurrence in the 8 years since.
Science doesn't touch all of this and would be lost with it. The locals just accept that this chap has powers. I think we have been dulled by modern life here and your average grunt with no understanding beyond his local Aldi and chip shop has no idea of what is actually still out there in the world and probably scared by it.
As far as I can see it's genetic, although one of my neighbours sons is able to see and hear things etc if he tries hard he found it difficult when it first started happening but he suppresses it and there's no known family history there.
You do seem a little obsessed with people being scared if they're sceptical. I'm not scared of things I don't understand, I'm interested but sceptical so tend to ask questions. I know some cultures accept it as you indeed confirm, and they possibly don't fully understand but at least accept. I was in Nepal (or at least Sikkim nearby) myself and one of the party was injured and saw a local man - I would use the word Shamen but not too sure wether that's correct. He identified what was wrong by looking at her and resolved the problem without leaving his sitting position. She recovered immediately and he went on to deal with a long term pre existing issue she had for 6 years, again without leaving his mat and she hasn't had a recurrence in the 8 years since.
Science doesn't touch all of this and would be lost with it. The locals just accept that this chap has powers. I think we have been dulled by modern life here and your average grunt with no understanding beyond his local Aldi and chip shop has no idea of what is actually still out there in the world and probably scared by it.
As far as I can see it's genetic, although one of my neighbours sons is able to see and hear things etc if he tries hard he found it difficult when it first started happening but he suppresses it and there's no known family history there.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Thursday 8th December 18:14
This isn't fear, it's mistrust gained from years of experience.
If you tell me you can fix what's wrong with me but get a bit shifty when asked how I'd be suspicious. This isn't fear, it's common sense in a world where many people are not out to help you. You may be attempting to sell me magic beans.
Sounds amazing? How does it work and can you prove it?
When I ingested a radioactive isotope to find out if my gallbladder was working (nope) I asked the people doing the test to show me what was going on and explain the process. Again, not through fear, but through an interest in how it works.
A OK I get it, these sorts of things are wierd but accepted in their countries, it's us who just don't believe anything unless it's mainstream or has a manual. My main point is there are people who practise this and some, like the lad nearby, who kind of have to learn to live with it. Whether it's all connected I don't know, but these sorts of people won't be on YouTube, shun limelight and in my experience with one exception don't really want it known. IMHO it's real but rare, and disconcerting to them and others by its very nature.
I'm going to leave it there, be interested to hear others experiences.
I'm going to leave it there, be interested to hear others experiences.
V6Pushfit said:
At the risk of repetition myself, there's so much we don't understand or has been lost over the centuries.
I know some cultures accept it as you indeed confirm, and they possibly don't fully understand but at least accept. I was in Nepal (or at least Sikkim nearby) myself and one of the party was injured and saw a local man - I would use the word Shamen but not too sure wether that's correct. He identified what was wrong by looking at her and resolved the problem without leaving his sitting position. She recovered immediately and he went on to deal with a long term pre existing issue she had for 6 years, again without leaving his mat and she hasn't had a recurrence in the 8 years since.
Science doesn't touch all of this and would be lost with it. The locals just accept that this chap has powers. I think we have been dulled by modern life here and your average grunt with no understanding beyond his local Aldi and chip shop has no idea of what is actually still out there in the world and probably scared by it.
As far as I can see it's genetic, although one of my neighbours sons is able to see and hear things etc if he tries hard he found it difficult when it first started happening but he suppresses it and there's no known family history there.
The power of self-thermoregulation has been known to monks in Tibet for centuries if not millennia. I raised it in a health thread, the usual balloons spoke out, but their ability to manually override certain automatic controls of the human body cannot be disputed, a Dutch bloke called Wim Hof is managing to get a breathing technique popular in the west which seems based on the breathing technique that the monks use.I know some cultures accept it as you indeed confirm, and they possibly don't fully understand but at least accept. I was in Nepal (or at least Sikkim nearby) myself and one of the party was injured and saw a local man - I would use the word Shamen but not too sure wether that's correct. He identified what was wrong by looking at her and resolved the problem without leaving his sitting position. She recovered immediately and he went on to deal with a long term pre existing issue she had for 6 years, again without leaving his mat and she hasn't had a recurrence in the 8 years since.
Science doesn't touch all of this and would be lost with it. The locals just accept that this chap has powers. I think we have been dulled by modern life here and your average grunt with no understanding beyond his local Aldi and chip shop has no idea of what is actually still out there in the world and probably scared by it.
As far as I can see it's genetic, although one of my neighbours sons is able to see and hear things etc if he tries hard he found it difficult when it first started happening but he suppresses it and there's no known family history there.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Thursday 8th December 18:14
He has achieved and gotten others to achieve remarkable things with it.
http://www.wimhofmethod.com/
V6Pushfit said:
A OK I get it, these sorts of things are wierd but accepted in their countries, it's us who just don't believe anything unless it's mainstream or has a manual. My main point is there are people who practise this and some, like the lad nearby, who kind of have to learn to live with it. Whether it's all connected I don't know, but these sorts of people won't be on YouTube, shun limelight and in my experience with one exception don't really want it known. IMHO it's real but rare, and disconcerting to them and others by its very nature.
Nicely put, and very true!V6Pushfit said:
As far as I can see it's genetic,
I would wager the world's top 1000 geneticists and evolutionary biologists would say it's not and could prove it. Still, bod on t'internet thinks otherwise and as we know from this thread, all opinions are equally valid and deserving of respect. One last thing which is interesting is that on some major crimes the police use psychics where they are stuck and think they can help. Bib in Norfolk told me they had one involved on a missing person. Long story short they had loooked everywhere and traced last movements. They got her in 'cold' she told them the last location was with a small group and was bang on, then visualised a bridge, drew it and said that where the person is now. No one knew what bridge. One officer went in search and after quite some time found an old railway cutting and a bridge which had exactly the features of the sketch about 10 min walk from 'last known' in a wood.
Me: so are you going to investigate?
Bib: doubt it - no budget left for dog search and dig, not really any relatives, he was a loner, and have to have a realistic chance of conviction and there are three suspects all seasoned lowlife plus it was nearly 3 years ago.
Me: so are you going to investigate?
Bib: doubt it - no budget left for dog search and dig, not really any relatives, he was a loner, and have to have a realistic chance of conviction and there are three suspects all seasoned lowlife plus it was nearly 3 years ago.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I would wager the world's top 1000 geneticists and evolutionary biologists would say it's not and could prove it. Still, bod on t'internet thinks otherwise and as we know from this thread, all opinions are equally valid and deserving of respect.
From what I've seen with the 'exception' it's genetic. As I said before maybe an otherwise useless recessive. Anyway there y'all go.
V6Pushfit said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I would wager the world's top 1000 geneticists and evolutionary biologists would say it's not and could prove it. Still, bod on t'internet thinks otherwise and as we know from this thread, all opinions are equally valid and deserving of respect.
From what I've seen with the 'exception' it's genetic. As I said before maybe an otherwise useless recessive. Anyway there y'all go.
Suggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You don't understand regressive genes and if you did you'd see why your idea doesn't fly.
Suggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
Twig, a bit off topic but, don't you find Dawkins to be quite a poor author? I am a massive admirer of the guy but I feel that he aims his writing a bit low and people like me who want more science and less repetition can end up a bit frustrated with the pace his books. Suggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You don't understand regressive genes and if you did you'd see why your idea doesn't fly.
Suggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
I have absolutely no need or interest in proving anything to anyoneSuggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
If you are so intent on trotting out the same old same old why don't you contact and go and interview you local Police and ask them why they involve psychics. Maybe if you got out a bit more it would help you anyway. Who knows you may learn something from human interaction.
V6Pushfit said:
I have absolutely no need or interest in proving anything to anyone
If you are so intent on trotting out the same old same old why don't you contact and go and interview you local Police and ask them why they involve psychics. Maybe if you got out a bit more it would help you anyway. Who knows you may learn something from human interaction.
Do the Police really use psychics? I wondered and found the link belowIf you are so intent on trotting out the same old same old why don't you contact and go and interview you local Police and ask them why they involve psychics. Maybe if you got out a bit more it would help you anyway. Who knows you may learn something from human interaction.
http://www.critical-thinking.org.uk/paranormal/psy...
do you have more recent evidence that they do?
The Yorkshire Ripper case and Madeline McCann were reported as such, but I believe that the psychics 'evidence' turned out to be way off the mark
Edited by smn159 on Thursday 8th December 21:39
V6Pushfit said:
The urgent one was real bad lower back pain and sciatica as we were about to do a lot of walking and she would have had to give it a miss, the other was diverticulosis that had been causing the -itis up to twice a month for the previous few years and she was lined up for a major op when we got back. In a mess really but cancelled the OP when we got back and hasn't had any issues since. He also told her she had systemic candida (we think) which was causing a kind of tiredness - we saw that one and he tested her arm strength and then put what we think was a yeast culture in her belly button and tested again and she had no arm strength at all - he gave her some liquid to drink and it took about a week until she was back on form.
Do they ever cure anyone with visible symptoms? Broken leg or some such? Or cure someone with cancer?Can't believe that no-one has checked as it would save the NHS millions!
V6Pushfit said:
smn159 said:
Do they ever cure anyone with visible symptoms? Broken leg or some such? Or cure someone with cancer?
Can't believe that no-one has checked as it would save the NHS millions!
Your questions, while well intended, could be said to be a based on a bit of over simplificationCan't believe that no-one has checked as it would save the NHS millions!
Rawwr said:
You do realise you're by far the most hostile poster on this thread, right?
That's as maybe but if you read the thread from the start you'll see there's far too much history of s
te being thrown at very personal accounts, and whilst any hostility isn't meant, it's just given in the same manner and rightly or wrongly at the same base level.Ahm oot noo
smn159 said:
Do they ever cure anyone with visible symptoms? Broken leg or some such? Or cure someone with cancer?
Can't believe that no-one has checked as it would save the NHS millions!
Indeed. Two self limiting conditions sorted themselves out, no doubt helped by the placebo effect. (I'm ignoring the showman's "look how weak you are" diagnosis and "cure".) Can't believe that no-one has checked as it would save the NHS millions!
Some on this thread have interesting stories that can't be easily explained, and wonder if there could be a paranormal explanation. They're open-minded.
Others have some stories they are convinced have no explanation other than paranormal. They refuse to listen to any explanation that doesn't suit their view, and (ironically) shout down any discussion.
That's pretty close minded, no? And imo ruining the thread.
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