Paranormal experiences
Discussion
boobles said:
shakotan said:
boobles said:
To all the haters out there, I say try a Ouija board & try taking it seriously to see what happens 
Nothing?We had a college friend who was Wiccan.
Burger all happened every time.
shakotan said:
boobles said:
shakotan said:
boobles said:
To all the haters out there, I say try a Ouija board & try taking it seriously to see what happens
Nothing?We had a college friend who was Wiccan.
Burger all happened every time.
The fact that nothing happened to you whilst participating does not mean it's the same for everyone. Had you experienced something I am pretty certain you would be sitting on the other side of the fence right now!
Edited by boobles on Monday 5th December 11:13
TwigtheWonderkid said:
djc206 said:
A layman will use the word paranormal to describe an experience that they cannot explain away.
I don't agree. An event you can't explain away would be described by a layman (such as myself) as odd or bizarre.When people use the word paranormal, they are ascribing a supernatural element to it. That may not be the literal meaning, but I think that's what people mean when they talk about the paranormal.
Supernatural has the same implication it's just the Latin version of the Greek paranormal essentially. Supernaturalis means beyond natural.
I've heard of animal indicators being described as supernatural, they aren't of course they are very much natural but it's just how some people describe things they don't understand.
There's a big difference. It's one thing to have an experience that you can't explain. To say "something very odd happened last week". That's perfectly normal and rational. Something happened and they can't explain it.
When people start banging on about paranormal/supernatural, they are saying because they can't explain it, not logical or rational explanation exists, and therefore it must have been ghosts, god, magic, spirits, or any other number of crackpot ideas.
When people start banging on about paranormal/supernatural, they are saying because they can't explain it, not logical or rational explanation exists, and therefore it must have been ghosts, god, magic, spirits, or any other number of crackpot ideas.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
There's a big difference. It's one thing to have an experience that you can't explain. To say "something very odd happened last week". That's perfectly normal and rational. Something happened and they can't explain it.
When people start banging on about paranormal/supernatural, they are saying because they can't explain it, not logical or rational explanation exists, and therefore it must have been ghosts, god, magic, spirits, or any other number of crackpot ideas.
I disagree it doesn't follow with the use of paranormal that no explanation can be found eventually without resorting to sky fairies or magic. I dont believe that anything happens outside the laws of physics we just haven't got them all figured out yet (quantum physics is in its infancy for example) and yet I use the word.When people start banging on about paranormal/supernatural, they are saying because they can't explain it, not logical or rational explanation exists, and therefore it must have been ghosts, god, magic, spirits, or any other number of crackpot ideas.
djc206 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
There's a big difference. It's one thing to have an experience that you can't explain. To say "something very odd happened last week". That's perfectly normal and rational. Something happened and they can't explain it.
When people start banging on about paranormal/supernatural, they are saying because they can't explain it, not logical or rational explanation exists, and therefore it must have been ghosts, god, magic, spirits, or any other number of crackpot ideas.
I disagree it doesn't follow with the use of paranormal that no explanation can be found eventually without resorting to sky fairies or magic. I dont believe that anything happens outside the laws of physics we just haven't got them all figured out yet (quantum physics is in its infancy for example) and yet I use the word.When people start banging on about paranormal/supernatural, they are saying because they can't explain it, not logical or rational explanation exists, and therefore it must have been ghosts, god, magic, spirits, or any other number of crackpot ideas.
Whilst I am not religious, and believe that there is a rational explanation for most things. But the following did make me think.....
Back in Aug 14 on a Jog along the beach in Marbella, nice morning about 28d. When without warning I felt like an electric like shock as in massive sharp pain on the left side of my chest, this made me trip up onto a storm drain, bashed up my arm, leg, and smashed the face of my wrist/watch heart monitor. I walked to my home, no bones broken and the chest pain had disappeared. My wrist monitor face broken had stopped at 10.31.......
Scroll forward 8 hrs, round the pool in the evening mobile goes, see its my home no.( My moms at my UK home looking after my dogs )
Person on the other end says.
"Hello is that ....."
"Yes its me, who are you?"
"It the Police... we have had to force entry into your home, as the dogs would not stop barking, very sorry to say that your mother has passed away, she has suffered what looks like a heart attack and fallen on to the patio area, earlier in the day"
Move forward end of Oct, funeral has taken place etc. Then I get a call from the Company that collected my moms body, informing me that they had all the personal belongings that had been removed for the autopsy. I left it about a week or so before I went to collect them. Then when I did collect them I opened the box, a few rings, etc.
Then I noticed moms watch, the face was broken watch was water logged, time had stopped at 10.31......
Back in Aug 14 on a Jog along the beach in Marbella, nice morning about 28d. When without warning I felt like an electric like shock as in massive sharp pain on the left side of my chest, this made me trip up onto a storm drain, bashed up my arm, leg, and smashed the face of my wrist/watch heart monitor. I walked to my home, no bones broken and the chest pain had disappeared. My wrist monitor face broken had stopped at 10.31.......
Scroll forward 8 hrs, round the pool in the evening mobile goes, see its my home no.( My moms at my UK home looking after my dogs )
Person on the other end says.
"Hello is that ....."
"Yes its me, who are you?"
"It the Police... we have had to force entry into your home, as the dogs would not stop barking, very sorry to say that your mother has passed away, she has suffered what looks like a heart attack and fallen on to the patio area, earlier in the day"
Move forward end of Oct, funeral has taken place etc. Then I get a call from the Company that collected my moms body, informing me that they had all the personal belongings that had been removed for the autopsy. I left it about a week or so before I went to collect them. Then when I did collect them I opened the box, a few rings, etc.
Then I noticed moms watch, the face was broken watch was water logged, time had stopped at 10.31......
boobles said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
boobles said:
Not trying to get you to submit anything, just trying to get you to understand that people ARE NOT gullible loons just because they have had something happen to them that can't logically be proved! Either way it doesn't make people stupid as you are claiming.
They are gullible loons not because something has happened to them that they can't explain. They are gullible loons for not leaving it at that, an unexplained event. When you go on to explain it away with woo, that's the gullible loon bit. shakotan said:
condor said:
I've had lots of paranormal experiences - mostly as a consequence of people dying that I've been related/close to. These experiences usually take the form of a 'winged being' acting out of character.
What character do 'winged beings' normally act to, in order to identify when they're acting out of it?APOLO1 said:
Whilst I am not religious, and believe that there is a rational explanation for most things. But the following did make me think.....
Back in Aug 14 on a Jog along the beach in Marbella, nice morning about 28d. When without warning I felt like an electric like shock as in massive sharp pain on the left side of my chest, this made me trip up onto a storm drain, bashed up my arm, leg, and smashed the face of my wrist/watch heart monitor. I walked to my home, no bones broken and the chest pain had disappeared. My wrist monitor face broken had stopped at 10.31.......
Scroll forward 8 hrs, round the pool in the evening mobile goes, see its my home no.( My moms at my UK home looking after my dogs )
Person on the other end says.
"Hello is that ....."
"Yes its me, who are you?"
"It the Police... we have had to force entry into your home, as the dogs would not stop barking, very sorry to say that your mother has passed away, she has suffered what looks like a heart attack and fallen on to the patio area, earlier in the day"
Move forward end of Oct, funeral has taken place etc. Then I get a call from the Company that collected my moms body, informing me that they had all the personal belongings that had been removed for the autopsy. I left it about a week or so before I went to collect them. Then when I did collect them I opened the box, a few rings, etc.
Then I noticed moms watch, the face was broken watch was water logged, time had stopped at 10.31......
Sorry to hear about your mum, that must've been an awful phone call to take.Back in Aug 14 on a Jog along the beach in Marbella, nice morning about 28d. When without warning I felt like an electric like shock as in massive sharp pain on the left side of my chest, this made me trip up onto a storm drain, bashed up my arm, leg, and smashed the face of my wrist/watch heart monitor. I walked to my home, no bones broken and the chest pain had disappeared. My wrist monitor face broken had stopped at 10.31.......
Scroll forward 8 hrs, round the pool in the evening mobile goes, see its my home no.( My moms at my UK home looking after my dogs )
Person on the other end says.
"Hello is that ....."
"Yes its me, who are you?"
"It the Police... we have had to force entry into your home, as the dogs would not stop barking, very sorry to say that your mother has passed away, she has suffered what looks like a heart attack and fallen on to the patio area, earlier in the day"
Move forward end of Oct, funeral has taken place etc. Then I get a call from the Company that collected my moms body, informing me that they had all the personal belongings that had been removed for the autopsy. I left it about a week or so before I went to collect them. Then when I did collect them I opened the box, a few rings, etc.
Then I noticed moms watch, the face was broken watch was water logged, time had stopped at 10.31......
Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
I'm as sceptical and cynical as anyone on here, a man of reason more than a man of faith.
But my only "paranormal experience" is something that still puzzles me to this day.
I lived in Stoke, but worked in Chester for a few a years, travelling on the M6-M56 there and back most days. I was locking up the office and yard around just before 7pm as usual, mid-October, so almost full darkness. As I leave the office, I heard something at the other end of the yard - walking on gravel makes a distinctive sound, and we'd had a bit of a Traveller problem a few weeks previous.
I go back into the office, and check the last few minutes of CCTV - nothing. I grab the "refund stick" - a pick axe handle, and go around the outside of the yard looking for holes in the fence, and I hear the steps again, and what sounded like whispering. No holes in the fence spotted, so I go back into the yard and head towards I heard the noises. As I'm heading towards that, I hear a shout of "hey boy" from the other side of the yard, and it sounded exactly like my uncle who'd died 6 weeks previous, and used to great me with that phrase when I called or he saw me. That shook me a bit, but I put it down to the grieving process and gave my head a shake, locked up and drove away, albeit a few minutes late.
About 20 minutes later on the M56, everything grinds to a halt between Runcorn and Warrington. Then a police car comes past on the hard shoulder, and another, and an ambulance, and more and more blue lights. Nobody knew what was going on, something had happened about 2-3 miles further ahead. Eventually we were turned around and had to come off at the junction we'd just passed and head home via the back roads.
The next morning I heard about this on the news - http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-che...
It had happened about 3-4 minutes ahead of where I'd stopped, and I still wonder if that voice I thought heard delayed me enough to avoid being much, much closer to the scene....
Maybe not as ghostly as plates flying across the room or speaking to dead people, but it's the only event that has made me question my belief in the paranormal.
But my only "paranormal experience" is something that still puzzles me to this day.
I lived in Stoke, but worked in Chester for a few a years, travelling on the M6-M56 there and back most days. I was locking up the office and yard around just before 7pm as usual, mid-October, so almost full darkness. As I leave the office, I heard something at the other end of the yard - walking on gravel makes a distinctive sound, and we'd had a bit of a Traveller problem a few weeks previous.
I go back into the office, and check the last few minutes of CCTV - nothing. I grab the "refund stick" - a pick axe handle, and go around the outside of the yard looking for holes in the fence, and I hear the steps again, and what sounded like whispering. No holes in the fence spotted, so I go back into the yard and head towards I heard the noises. As I'm heading towards that, I hear a shout of "hey boy" from the other side of the yard, and it sounded exactly like my uncle who'd died 6 weeks previous, and used to great me with that phrase when I called or he saw me. That shook me a bit, but I put it down to the grieving process and gave my head a shake, locked up and drove away, albeit a few minutes late.
About 20 minutes later on the M56, everything grinds to a halt between Runcorn and Warrington. Then a police car comes past on the hard shoulder, and another, and an ambulance, and more and more blue lights. Nobody knew what was going on, something had happened about 2-3 miles further ahead. Eventually we were turned around and had to come off at the junction we'd just passed and head home via the back roads.
The next morning I heard about this on the news - http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-che...
It had happened about 3-4 minutes ahead of where I'd stopped, and I still wonder if that voice I thought heard delayed me enough to avoid being much, much closer to the scene....
Maybe not as ghostly as plates flying across the room or speaking to dead people, but it's the only event that has made me question my belief in the paranormal.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Sorry to hear about your mum, that must've been an awful phone call to take.
Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
Uk time is one Hr behind. Both watches set to Uk time....I only ever use the heart rate function on the watch. 720/1 feel a bit better now, spooked me a bit...Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
V6Pushfit said:
If the Science Cadets could just let the thread develop it might encourage others to open up with their experiences. I know it's out of their comfort zone but hopefully they're tough enough to sit at the back of the class and listen for a change.
Seems you're more scared of reasoned explanation than your 'paranormal' experiences.When I was about 17, I was in London meeting a friend for lunch when I got a huge pain shooting across the left of my chest. It was the strangest pain because it didn't actually hurt as such but it was enough for me to visibly flinch and put down my drink, prompting my friend to ask if I was OK.
When I got home that evening, I learnt that my first ever friend who I'd known since I was a toddler and remained close to, had died of an aneurism. I subsequently learned this happened in his left chest at exactly the time I suffered the above.
When I got home that evening, I learnt that my first ever friend who I'd known since I was a toddler and remained close to, had died of an aneurism. I subsequently learned this happened in his left chest at exactly the time I suffered the above.
rovermorris999 said:
Can't we just have a few interesting anecdotes instead of this incessant analysis? Start another thread for that.
No, because PH has a broad range of contributors and one of it's strengths is the range of different opinions, rather than an echo chamber to reinforce existing views. This thread is interesting as it is because you have;- Those who want to believe in the supernatural and seem to want reinforcement from others to confirm their beliefs
- Those who recount things that they can't explain, and others suggest possible / likely causes - for example the explanation earlier of the likely mechanism behind glasses moving on Ouija boards. These are probably the most interesting posts.
- Those who take the piss out of the wackier views expressed, and those who seem resistant to any rational explanations.
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