Paranormal experiences
Discussion
Jaroon said:
Also to suggest and compare my way of thinking with terrorism is histrionic hyperbole, a little pathetic and desperate
When people lose their ability to think critically and are willing to believe in things which are demonstrably untrue then anything is possible. If you believe that Allah is waiting to reward you and your family in the afterlife, why wouldn't you fly a plane into a building to get there more quickly?Is anyone brave enough to attempt to explain what they think a ghost/spirit (or any other paranormal thing) actually is?
To say you've seen a ghost always generates assumptions in the mind of the person hearing the story. My definition of a ghost might be different to yours.
I have a physics degree so don't feel the need to dumb anything down. What is a ghost? Where does it come from? What's it made of? How do we see it, i.e. do photons reflect off it? How does it interact with other matter and electromagnetic waves?
To say you've seen a ghost always generates assumptions in the mind of the person hearing the story. My definition of a ghost might be different to yours.
I have a physics degree so don't feel the need to dumb anything down. What is a ghost? Where does it come from? What's it made of? How do we see it, i.e. do photons reflect off it? How does it interact with other matter and electromagnetic waves?
There are only 4 reasons why humans believe anything, be it the supernatural, or god, or that I'm having sausages for dinner tonight.
1. Authority. The holy book told me, parents told me, the BBC said etc. The problem with authority is that different authorities can give a different opinion. There's many different holy books, all with a different version of "the truth".
2. Tradition. My parents and grandparents believed in this stuff. Or we always have sausages on a Wednesday
3. Comfort. It makes me feel good that my dead relatives are floating around. I don't know if I'm having sausages but telling myself I am will help me get thru the day, because I love sausages and I need something to look forward to.
4. Evidence. When I left the house this morning, the sausages were on the worktop defrosting, and I was asked how many sausages I wanted.
Ultimately, evidence is the only one that's worth a light. The other 3 will let you down time and time again. Occasionally, fresh evidence can be found that overrides the existing evidence. You get home and are told mum dropped dead of a heart attack, the dog eat the sausages so dad, in his grief, is doing Turkey Twizzlers. Now you have new evidence and can form a new conclusion.
1. Authority. The holy book told me, parents told me, the BBC said etc. The problem with authority is that different authorities can give a different opinion. There's many different holy books, all with a different version of "the truth".
2. Tradition. My parents and grandparents believed in this stuff. Or we always have sausages on a Wednesday
3. Comfort. It makes me feel good that my dead relatives are floating around. I don't know if I'm having sausages but telling myself I am will help me get thru the day, because I love sausages and I need something to look forward to.
4. Evidence. When I left the house this morning, the sausages were on the worktop defrosting, and I was asked how many sausages I wanted.
Ultimately, evidence is the only one that's worth a light. The other 3 will let you down time and time again. Occasionally, fresh evidence can be found that overrides the existing evidence. You get home and are told mum dropped dead of a heart attack, the dog eat the sausages so dad, in his grief, is doing Turkey Twizzlers. Now you have new evidence and can form a new conclusion.
alock said:
Is anyone brave enough to attempt to explain what they think a ghost/spirit (or any other paranormal thing) actually is?
To say you've seen a ghost always generates assumptions in the mind of the person hearing the story. My definition of a ghost might be different to yours.
I have a physics degree so don't feel the need to dumb anything down. What is a ghost? Where does it come from? What's it made of? How do we see it, i.e. do photons reflect off it? How does it interact with other matter and electromagnetic waves?
That's an interesting question because as previously mentioned, most people assume a ghost is something scary & only seen at night, added to that the spooky music to accompany the dodgy looking videos! If somebody has claimed to see a loved one in a "spirit" form, did they look the same in death as in life? To say you've seen a ghost always generates assumptions in the mind of the person hearing the story. My definition of a ghost might be different to yours.
I have a physics degree so don't feel the need to dumb anything down. What is a ghost? Where does it come from? What's it made of? How do we see it, i.e. do photons reflect off it? How does it interact with other matter and electromagnetic waves?
Well, this thread is a near-perfect allegory for the post-truth, social media echo chamber society we live in.
Any challenge (to a fairly absurd position, IMO) is met with no debate or logical argument but instead anger. Even to the point of a poster effectively saying "it suits me to believe in this despite evidence to the contrary so I shan't listen"
Dissenters are asked to leave the thread and go somewhere else for dating to challenge.
It's pathetic. It's why Donald Trump won. People are just unwilling to engage with anything that runs contra to their preferred view and that's terrifying. Positively Orwellian.
Any challenge (to a fairly absurd position, IMO) is met with no debate or logical argument but instead anger. Even to the point of a poster effectively saying "it suits me to believe in this despite evidence to the contrary so I shan't listen"
Dissenters are asked to leave the thread and go somewhere else for dating to challenge.
It's pathetic. It's why Donald Trump won. People are just unwilling to engage with anything that runs contra to their preferred view and that's terrifying. Positively Orwellian.
Edited by Disastrous on Wednesday 7th December 13:45
A few more experiences:
In my previous house, one morning I came home after a night shift and walked my dog, then shut him in the dining room and went upstairs to bed. At 10:00am I awoke to hear him climbing the stairs, walk across the landing and sniff around the bedroom doors, then slump up against the wall with that little sigh they give even they settle down to sleep. I called him, as my bedroom door just pushed open (no latch). No response. I couldn't understand why not, but just thought "sod you then", and turned over and went back to sleep.
I awoke again at 12 noon and went out onto the landing, fully expecting to see him lying there. No sign. I went downstairs and he was still shut in the dining room.
I bought that house off my oldest friend, and upon telling him about this, he admitted that when he lived there, his wife was in hospital overnight having their first born. He decided to come home in the early hours and get some kip. He was awoken at 10:00am by the sound of HUMAN footsteps climbing the stairs and then across the landing to the same bedroom door. He said he was s
tting himself, but ran to the door to find nobody there. He was a true sceptic, but he's not so sure now.
Now, I realise there is fatigue/sleep involved here, were we both fully awake at the time? That 10:00am on both accounts is quite strange though. I had no idea about his experience until I'd had mine.
Present house:
1)I've already mentioned the random blowing on my arm, and the second one on request.
2)I walked in the front door once and ran upstairs for a piss. On the landing there is a dab radio which I usually listen to when I'm in the bathroom. As I walked past it, it made a noise, like crackle crackle static, not unlike an old transistor radio. It was plugged in, but not switched on. I stopped and thought "ok, it's an oldish house (1930s), could be dodgy floorboards and dodgy wiring in the unit". I stood still and asked for a repeat. 'Crackle Crackle' again! Make of that what you will.
3)Brought a few friends back one night after all having had a few drinks. As we walked in through the front door and into the dining room, there was a huge crash from upstairs, like a shelf full of stuff falling down. I went upstairs, and everything was fine.
4)This is the one that will make a lot of people think I'm nuts. I had been openly talking about these experiences in the pub, much to my mates horror and delight, as they ripped me to pieces. Fair enough, it's not the usual pub talk is it?
Anyway, I walked in my local one Sunday afternoon and had just taken the top off my first pint, when a friend of mine rounded on me. He'd already had a few and accused me of being on mind bending drugs (yeah right, I work on the railway). He was quite aggressive (there's a shock). As I was defending myself to him, just saying "No, it's what's happened, I'm just being honest", I felt two hands under my armpits, as if I was being supported from behind, and I could feel something pressing between my shoulder blades. I was sat on a bench seat with my back to a closed window. I couldn't admit to my 'friend' what was going on or he really would have thought he had a point!
After my mate's little tirade, he gulped back his pint and said he was off. As he left, those 'hands' gently disappeared.
Again, make of that what you will. But I will never forget it.
In my previous house, one morning I came home after a night shift and walked my dog, then shut him in the dining room and went upstairs to bed. At 10:00am I awoke to hear him climbing the stairs, walk across the landing and sniff around the bedroom doors, then slump up against the wall with that little sigh they give even they settle down to sleep. I called him, as my bedroom door just pushed open (no latch). No response. I couldn't understand why not, but just thought "sod you then", and turned over and went back to sleep.
I awoke again at 12 noon and went out onto the landing, fully expecting to see him lying there. No sign. I went downstairs and he was still shut in the dining room.
I bought that house off my oldest friend, and upon telling him about this, he admitted that when he lived there, his wife was in hospital overnight having their first born. He decided to come home in the early hours and get some kip. He was awoken at 10:00am by the sound of HUMAN footsteps climbing the stairs and then across the landing to the same bedroom door. He said he was s
tting himself, but ran to the door to find nobody there. He was a true sceptic, but he's not so sure now.Now, I realise there is fatigue/sleep involved here, were we both fully awake at the time? That 10:00am on both accounts is quite strange though. I had no idea about his experience until I'd had mine.
Present house:
1)I've already mentioned the random blowing on my arm, and the second one on request.
2)I walked in the front door once and ran upstairs for a piss. On the landing there is a dab radio which I usually listen to when I'm in the bathroom. As I walked past it, it made a noise, like crackle crackle static, not unlike an old transistor radio. It was plugged in, but not switched on. I stopped and thought "ok, it's an oldish house (1930s), could be dodgy floorboards and dodgy wiring in the unit". I stood still and asked for a repeat. 'Crackle Crackle' again! Make of that what you will.
3)Brought a few friends back one night after all having had a few drinks. As we walked in through the front door and into the dining room, there was a huge crash from upstairs, like a shelf full of stuff falling down. I went upstairs, and everything was fine.
4)This is the one that will make a lot of people think I'm nuts. I had been openly talking about these experiences in the pub, much to my mates horror and delight, as they ripped me to pieces. Fair enough, it's not the usual pub talk is it?
Anyway, I walked in my local one Sunday afternoon and had just taken the top off my first pint, when a friend of mine rounded on me. He'd already had a few and accused me of being on mind bending drugs (yeah right, I work on the railway). He was quite aggressive (there's a shock). As I was defending myself to him, just saying "No, it's what's happened, I'm just being honest", I felt two hands under my armpits, as if I was being supported from behind, and I could feel something pressing between my shoulder blades. I was sat on a bench seat with my back to a closed window. I couldn't admit to my 'friend' what was going on or he really would have thought he had a point!
After my mate's little tirade, he gulped back his pint and said he was off. As he left, those 'hands' gently disappeared.
Again, make of that what you will. But I will never forget it.
Edited by Baz Tench on Wednesday 7th December 14:02
Disastrous said:
Well, this thread is a near-perfect allegory for the post-truth, social media echo chamber society we live in.
Any challenge (to a fairly absurd position, IMO) is met with no debate or logical argument but instead anger. Even to the point of a poster effectively saying "it suits me to believe in this despite evidence to the contrary so I shan't listen"
Dissenters are asked to leave the thread and go somewhere else for dating to challenge.
It's pathetic. It's Donald Trump won. People are just unwilling to engage with anything that runs contra to their preferred view and that's terrifying. Positively Orwellian.
I think what a lot of people are trying to get across to certain people is, we get that you don't believe in such things but why do you & others feel the need to quote anyone for typing such things & ridiculing them? We heard you the first time & you are putting people off who want to share their stories with the rest of us!Any challenge (to a fairly absurd position, IMO) is met with no debate or logical argument but instead anger. Even to the point of a poster effectively saying "it suits me to believe in this despite evidence to the contrary so I shan't listen"
Dissenters are asked to leave the thread and go somewhere else for dating to challenge.
It's pathetic. It's Donald Trump won. People are just unwilling to engage with anything that runs contra to their preferred view and that's terrifying. Positively Orwellian.
boobles said:
I think what a lot of people are trying to get across to certain people is, we get that you don't believe in such things but why do you & others feel the need to quote anyone for typing such things & ridiculing them? We heard you the first time & you are putting people off who want to share their stories with the rest of us!
People recounting unexplained experiences is fine.But when people are saying " it's a spirit, that the logical conclusion", "science if just a matter of faith", "we all used to have psychic powers but have lost them as they were a regressive gene" and other total f
king nonsense, then that st needs to be pulled up. TwigtheWonderkid said:
boobles said:
I think what a lot of people are trying to get across to certain people is, we get that you don't believe in such things but why do you & others feel the need to quote anyone for typing such things & ridiculing them? We heard you the first time & you are putting people off who want to share their stories with the rest of us!
People recounting unexplained experiences is fine.But when people are saying " it's a spirit, that the logical conclusion", "science if just a matter of faith", "we all used to have psychic powers but have lost them as they were a regressive gene" and other total f
king nonsense, then that st needs to be pulled up. 
TwigtheWonderkid said:
boobles said:
I think what a lot of people are trying to get across to certain people is, we get that you don't believe in such things but why do you & others feel the need to quote anyone for typing such things & ridiculing them? We heard you the first time & you are putting people off who want to share their stories with the rest of us!
People recounting unexplained experiences is fine.But when people are saying " it's a spirit, that the logical conclusion", "science if just a matter of faith", "we all used to have psychic powers but have lost them as they were a regressive gene" and other total f
king nonsense, then that st needs to be pulled up. It would be a poor show if this is what scientists were actually like but is really isn't, you're just an internet dweller killing time, I recognize that and good luck to you. Sorry to the genuine posters in here because I haven't added anything to the thread by way of experience but I have to leave it here or I'll end up point scoring against the pointless
Baz Tench said:
I also get a fair bit of orb activity when I play music in the house. Only to certain tunes though, and they aren't usually visible to the eye, only through my phone.
To some, these are easily dismissed as dust particles, but there's just something about the way they move that makes me think otherwise.
I'll try and capture a few the next time I have a bit of a dj session.
A camera lens can be a complex bit of engineering and the way light is dealt with by lens and software can have interesting effects especially when dust gets in the way. My money is on dust or distortion or both and perhaps the volume..To some, these are easily dismissed as dust particles, but there's just something about the way they move that makes me think otherwise.
I'll try and capture a few the next time I have a bit of a dj session.
V6Pushfit said:
On the animal/insect front, on the day of the funeral for the child victims of a killer a dove/pigeon feather landed on the windscreen of both hearses simultaneously but there were no birds anywhere near. It was noticed by the spiritually leaning father of one of the victims as being odd and he told a friend (also one of mine), the friend having been originally contacted hours after the children's disappearance and helped bring the perp to justice having predicted five key things that enabled the case to be solved. His answer was that the feathers were from the victims.
This is borderline for me, but I'll run with it since the friend had assisted the police in the early stages of the case when it was still a missing persons enquiry by telling the father:
The victims were already dead
There was a red car involved
There was a mousy faced woman with a northern accent involved
There were three people involved (two actually but includes a relative as well who wasn't charged)
The victims were in water (found in a ditch)
Reads to me like the real perp got away with it.This is borderline for me, but I'll run with it since the friend had assisted the police in the early stages of the case when it was still a missing persons enquiry by telling the father:
The victims were already dead
There was a red car involved
There was a mousy faced woman with a northern accent involved
There were three people involved (two actually but includes a relative as well who wasn't charged)
The victims were in water (found in a ditch)
Disastrous said:
Well, this thread is a near-perfect allegory for the post-truth, social media echo chamber society we live in.
Any challenge (to a fairly absurd position, IMO) is met with no debate or logical argument but instead anger. Even to the point of a poster effectively saying "it suits me to believe in this despite evidence to the contrary so I shan't listen"
Dissenters are asked to leave the thread and go somewhere else for dating to challenge.
It's pathetic. It's why Donald Trump won. People are just unwilling to engage with anything that runs contra to their preferred view and that's terrifying. Positively Orwellian.
Oh i get it now.You and twiggy are Re-moaners, say no more.No wonder you're getting so annoyed at a few internet tales.Relax.Any challenge (to a fairly absurd position, IMO) is met with no debate or logical argument but instead anger. Even to the point of a poster effectively saying "it suits me to believe in this despite evidence to the contrary so I shan't listen"
Dissenters are asked to leave the thread and go somewhere else for dating to challenge.
It's pathetic. It's why Donald Trump won. People are just unwilling to engage with anything that runs contra to their preferred view and that's terrifying. Positively Orwellian.
Edited by Disastrous on Wednesday 7th December 13:45
V6Pushfit said:
On the animal/insect front, on the day of the funeral for the child victims of a killer a dove/pigeon feather landed on the windscreen of both hearses simultaneously but there were no birds anywhere near. It was noticed by the spiritually leaning father of one of the victims as being odd and he told a friend (also one of mine), the friend having been originally contacted hours after the children's disappearance
Contacted by who? Who contacted your friend to request their help in solving the case. A police force? Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff