Paranormal experiences

[anonymous-user]

Baz Tench said:

p1stonhead said:

If I started a thread about the elves and fairies down the end of my garden would I deserve some pretty intense questioning?

No. I would say you'd be ignored.

I wonder if he likes Coronation Street too, or maybe more the Gladiator Movie type?

[p1stonhead]

V6Pushfit said:

p1stonhead said:

If I started a thread about the elves and fairies down the end of my garden would I deserve some pretty intense questioning?

I had a Ferrari at the end of mine for 12 years until we took the body shell and remaining chassis to be scrapped does that count?

No but you are doing the equivalent of saying your Ferrari can fly but you have no proof and only you has seen it once and you can't record it or give any proof of it ever happening - 'trust me though, I know I saw it!'

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

No but you are doing the equivalent of saying your Ferrari can fly but you have no proof and only you has seen it once and you can't record it or give any proof of it ever happening - 'trust me though, I know I saw it!'

If I saw it I saw it. It's up to others to offer logical explanations and NOT cry bks hysterically every time offering no alternative and running scared trying to stop the thread - because that's exactly what you're doing.

[Einion Yrth]

Halb said:

Sadly, true I guess. I was hoping against type, but the usual suspects happened got it moved etc.
Oh well we live and learn the next time I need to make some sense of something.

Edited by Halb on Wednesday 7th December 17:58

I was one of the ones who petitioned to have it moved, and given that as soon as anyone so much as mentions science the more vocal believers tell them to push off I believe I was right to do so.

[p1stonhead]

V6Pushfit said:

p1stonhead said:

No but you are doing the equivalent of saying your Ferrari can fly but you have no proof and only you has seen it once and you can't record it or give any proof of it ever happening - 'trust me though, I know I saw it!'

If I saw it I saw it. It's up to others to offer logical explanations and NOT cry bks hysterically every time offering no alternative and running scared trying to stop the thread - because that's exactly what you're doing.

The alternative (and true) explanation will be one explainable by science but as you were the only one who 'saw' it that's quite difficult now isn't it. Make it happen again and we can have a team of people ready!

[HarryW]

I fairly easy in the subject myself, I know what I've seen and experienced. if others have experienced things they can't fathom then, yes there maybe a simple explanation, in which case all well and good, but the day you go looking for complex explanations to debunk them seems a tad strange to me. They were there, were you?
I think it's fair to assume we do not yet, or indeed ever will, know everything there is to know about the world.
The need to confine all thinking to what we know today seems a bit narrow minded, I suppose you could argue all day long as to whom still thinks the earth is flat, the debunkers or the debunked.

[Baz Tench]

p1stonhead said:

The alternative (and true) explanation will be one explainable by science but as you were the only one who 'saw' it that's quite difficult now isn't it. Make it happen again and we can have a team of people ready!

Seriously though, if you'd had the experience of something blowing on your elbow out of the blue in a well insulated room. Would you have the balls to ask for a repeat? Everyone I've spoken to who doesn't believe in this sort of thing cannot get their head around me doing that. Why not? What are they scared of?

[boobles]

V6Pushfit said:

boobles said:

Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not?

With you all the way chap

Good good - lets get this thread back & get rid of the coronation street lovers who probably still wear tshirts saying free Deidre Barlow !!!!! (no idea how to spell her name but no doubt these soap loving freaks will correct me)

[anonymous-user]

HarryW said:

I fairly easy in the subject myself, I know what I've seen and experienced. if others have experienced things they can't fathom then, yes there maybe a simple explanation, in which case all well and good, but the day you go looking for complex explanations to debunk them seems a tad strange to me. They were there, were you?
I think it's fair to assume we do not yet, or indeed ever will, know everything there is to know about the world.
The need to confine all thinking to what we know today seems a bit narrow minded, I suppose you could argue all day long as to whom still thinks the earth is flat, the debunkers or the debunked.

Agreed. Narrow minded is the word for it, from narrow lives. Just about sums it up nicely.

[p1stonhead]

Baz Tench said:

p1stonhead said:

The alternative (and true) explanation will be one explainable by science but as you were the only one who 'saw' it that's quite difficult now isn't it. Make it happen again and we can have a team of people ready!

Seriously though, if you'd had the experience of something blowing on your elbow out of the blue in a well insulated room. Would you have the balls to ask for a repeat? Everyone I've spoken to who doesn't believe in this sort of thing cannot get their head around me doing that. Why not? What are they scared of?

I would have assumed it was literally ANYTHING explainable by science before jumping to paranormal.
Literally a tiny tornado which blew in under the door and then disssapeared or a man running in, doing it and then running out without you noticing are way way higher up the list for me.

Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 7th December 20:11

[Einion Yrth]

p1stonhead said:

Baz Tench said:

p1stonhead said:

The alternative (and true) explanation will be one explainable by science but as you were the only one who 'saw' it that's quite difficult now isn't it. Make it happen again and we can have a team of people ready!

Seriously though, if you'd had the experience of something blowing on your elbow out of the blue in a well insulated room. Would you have the balls to ask for a repeat? Everyone I've spoken to who doesn't believe in this sort of thing cannot get their head around me doing that. Why not? What are they scared of?

I would have assumed it was literally ANYTHING explainable by science before jumping to paranormal.

I'd have looked to find ways of reproducing it, and then of measuring it objectively - could be the easiest million I ever made.

[Halb]

Einion Yrth said:

I was one of the ones who petitioned to have it moved, and given that as soon as anyone so much as mentions science the more vocal believers tell them to push off I believe I was right to do so.

Possibly so considering the stuff posted by the more vocal 'non-believers'.

[Jaroon]

Einion Yrth said:

Halb said:

Sadly, true I guess. I was hoping against type, but the usual suspects happened got it moved etc.
Oh well we live and learn the next time I need to make some sense of something.

Edited by Halb on Wednesday 7th December 17:58

I was one of the ones who petitioned to have it moved, and given that as soon as anyone so much as mentions science the more vocal believers tell them to push off I believe I was right to do so.

Well I certainly don't think the religion of science should be pushed out, those who chose that particular belief system are welcome if they allow other faiths the same courtesy (Someone's going to burst a blood vessel over that one) I was out but the Coronation Street crew drew me back in seeing as the thread is well and truly doomed there's still fun to be had.

[Boring_Chris]

(turned into a long post - will probably regret posting it, but heh here goes)

I mentioned this on the Science forum some time ago and was roundly laughed off it. But nobody offered a satisfactory explanation as to what it was that I saw, so, for me, it's still a mystery.

Now... I'll preface this by saying I absolutely do no believe in;

Aliens (visiting Earth)
Ghosts / Spirits / Monsters
Religion (I mean, obviously it's a 'thing' but I don't believe in God(s))
Kubrick staging the Moon landings

I absolutely believe in science, and the laws of physics etc. I find the paranormal fascinating in that it's a symptom of the natural world affecting humans in novel and not-easily-explainable ways... such as standing waves leading to ghost sightings. Ditto sleep paralysis. Stuff like that.

Anyway.

Off I go last year up to the countryside to try to photograph Perseids and spot ISS flying over. I'd just pulled up and got out the car when I spotted the ISS - which was amazing timing! So I then set about trying to photo the night sky and capture me some meteors... which was a total disaster. Couldn't focus the camera and every photo was absolute st. Never mind - live and learn.

But what stood out, as I resigned to the fact that I'd have to rely on memory not pictures and just sit back to watch the show, was a little red dot traveling across the sky in a seemingly erratic manner but across a clear trajectory. The 'dot' was about the size of what Mars might look like on a good day. It was travelling at about the speed of a satellite, but coming from the South, headed West, then curving off towards the North. At first I thought it might have been a Chinese Lantern, but they die out quite quickly (we set some off for my cousins birthday about a month later - which made me question again what 'dot' could have been, given a lantern was my only logical explanation). This was in the sky - and covered a huge distance - for say, 7 - 8 minutes? Planes cant change direction that quickly, nor can helicopters. There are precious few insects can illuminate themselves to that degree (let alone fly in that manner) in the UK and the sun / moon were long since gone (which excludes large birds - also, birds don't fly like that). Laser pens would - at that distance - move far more erratically and could not cover the distance that this did.

I tried closing my eyes, looking away, and taking another look (to discount my imagination) I tried focusing on a star and watching through my peripherals to ensure I wasn't seeing spots or whatever. I even tried videoing it - but my iPhones low light video is dreadful (plus I had it set to 60fps, which just refuses to absorb light). Even ran the video through an editor to increase the exposure, but, as these things work, all you get are red dots making up digital noise.

To get an idea of how it went; load up a star field desktop picture, then try slowly drawing a semicircle with your mouse cursor dodging the stars as you go. Imagine you've had a drink, though, and it's a messy semicircle.

Has baffled me.

Edited by Boring_Chris on Wednesday 7th December 21:19

Edited by Boring_Chris on Wednesday 7th December 21:21

[Einion Yrth]

Halb said:

Einion Yrth said:

I was one of the ones who petitioned to have it moved, and given that as soon as anyone so much as mentions science the more vocal believers tell them to push off I believe I was right to do so.

Possibly so considering the stuff posted by the more vocal 'non-believers'.

Whatever, it has a home here and it certainly didn't in the Science! sub-forum.

[boobles]

Absolutely nothing to regret & thankyou for sharing

[Hainey]

Boring_Chris said:

(turned into a long post - will probably regret posting it, but heh here goes)

I mentioned this on the Science forum some time ago and was roundly laughed off it. But nobody offered a satisfactory explanation as to what it is I saw, so, for me, it's still a mystery.

Now... I'll preface this by saying I absolutely do no believe in;

Aliens (visiting Earth)
Ghosts / Spirits / Monsters
Religion (I mean, obviously it's a 'thing' but I don't believe in God(s))
Kubrick staging the Moon landings

I absolutely believe in science, and the laws of physics etc. I find the paranormal fascinating in that it's a symptom of the natural world affecting humans in novel and not-easily-explainable ways... such as standing waves leading to ghost sightings. Ditto sleep paralysis. Stuff like that.

Anyway.

Off I go last year up to the countryside to try to photograph Perseids and spot ISS flying over. I'd just pulled up and got out the car when I spotted the ISS - which was amazing timing! So I then set about trying to photo the night sky and capture me some meteors... which was a total disaster. Couldn't focus the camera and every photo was absolute st. Never mind - live and learn.

But what stood out, as I resigned to the fact that I'd have to rely on memory not pictures and just sit back to watch the show, was a little red dot traveling across the sky in a seemingly erratic manner but across a clear trajectory. The 'dot' was about the size of what Mars might look like on a good day. It was travelling at about the speed of a satellite, but coming from the South, headed West, then curving off towards the North. At first I thought it might have been a Chinese Lantern, but they die out quite quickly (we set some off for my cousins birthday about a month later - which made me question again what 'dot' could have been, given a lantern was my only logical explanation). This was in the sky - and covered a huge distance - for say, 7 - 8 minutes? Planes cant change direction that quickly, nor can helicopters. There are precious few insects can illuminate themselves to that degree (let alone fly in that manner) in the UK and the sun / moon were long since gone (which excludes large birds - also, birds don't fly like that). Laser pens would - at that distance - move far more erratically and could not cover the distance that this did.

I tired closing my eyes, looking away, and taking another look (to discount my imagination) I tried focusing on a star and watching through my peripherals to ensure I wasn't seeing spots or whatever. I even tried videoing it - but my iPhones low light video is dreadful (plus I had it set to 60fps, which just refuses to absorb light). Even ran the video through an editor to increase the exposure, but, as these things work, all you get are red dots making up digital noise.

To get an idea of how it went; load up a star field desktop picture, then try slowly drawing a semicircle with your mouse cursor dodging the stars as you go. Imagine you've had a drink, though, and it's a messy semicircle.

Has baffled me.

Maybe not as uncommon as you might think.

About 3 years ago a friend and I were in a dark skies national park here in the UK and about 3am saw something not dissimilar that we couldn't explain. We observed it for around 20 minutes, before it was joined by 2 other dots into a formation and then they all zipped off at a rate of knots from view.

For reference I'm a qualified airline pilot and he has a masters in aero engineering. Neither of us have a clue how to explain it to this day.

Anyone's guess frankly.

[anonymous-user]

Boring_Chris: Reflection or beacon off a microlite or drone as you may not have had perspective on distance and therefore speed?

Thought I would get a sensible suggestion in before Twiggy does his 'fairies or ghoulies isn't it' thing in the Corrie break and mucks it up.

[Halb]

Einion Yrth said:

Halb said:

Einion Yrth said:

I was one of the ones who petitioned to have it moved, and given that as soon as anyone so much as mentions science the more vocal believers tell them to push off I believe I was right to do so.

Possibly so considering the stuff posted by the more vocal 'non-believers'.

Whatever, it has a home here and it certainly didn't in the Science! sub-forum.

Like whatever! It certainly did.

[Boring_Chris]

Hainey said:

Boring_Chris said:

(turned into a long post - will probably regret posting it, but heh here goes)

I mentioned this on the Science forum some time ago and was roundly laughed off it. But nobody offered a satisfactory explanation as to what it is I saw, so, for me, it's still a mystery.

Now... I'll preface this by saying I absolutely do no believe in;

Aliens (visiting Earth)
Ghosts / Spirits / Monsters
Religion (I mean, obviously it's a 'thing' but I don't believe in God(s))
Kubrick staging the Moon landings

I absolutely believe in science, and the laws of physics etc. I find the paranormal fascinating in that it's a symptom of the natural world affecting humans in novel and not-easily-explainable ways... such as standing waves leading to ghost sightings. Ditto sleep paralysis. Stuff like that.

Anyway.

Off I go last year up to the countryside to try to photograph Perseids and spot ISS flying over. I'd just pulled up and got out the car when I spotted the ISS - which was amazing timing! So I then set about trying to photo the night sky and capture me some meteors... which was a total disaster. Couldn't focus the camera and every photo was absolute st. Never mind - live and learn.

But what stood out, as I resigned to the fact that I'd have to rely on memory not pictures and just sit back to watch the show, was a little red dot traveling across the sky in a seemingly erratic manner but across a clear trajectory. The 'dot' was about the size of what Mars might look like on a good day. It was travelling at about the speed of a satellite, but coming from the South, headed West, then curving off towards the North. At first I thought it might have been a Chinese Lantern, but they die out quite quickly (we set some off for my cousins birthday about a month later - which made me question again what 'dot' could have been, given a lantern was my only logical explanation). This was in the sky - and covered a huge distance - for say, 7 - 8 minutes? Planes cant change direction that quickly, nor can helicopters. There are precious few insects can illuminate themselves to that degree (let alone fly in that manner) in the UK and the sun / moon were long since gone (which excludes large birds - also, birds don't fly like that). Laser pens would - at that distance - move far more erratically and could not cover the distance that this did.

I tired closing my eyes, looking away, and taking another look (to discount my imagination) I tried focusing on a star and watching through my peripherals to ensure I wasn't seeing spots or whatever. I even tried videoing it - but my iPhones low light video is dreadful (plus I had it set to 60fps, which just refuses to absorb light). Even ran the video through an editor to increase the exposure, but, as these things work, all you get are red dots making up digital noise.

To get an idea of how it went; load up a star field desktop picture, then try slowly drawing a semicircle with your mouse cursor dodging the stars as you go. Imagine you've had a drink, though, and it's a messy semicircle.

Has baffled me.

Maybe not as uncommon as you might think.

About 3 years ago a friend and I were in a dark skies national park here in the UK and about 3am saw something not dissimilar that we couldn't explain. We observed it for around 20 minutes, before it was joined by 2 other dots into a formation and then they all zipped off at a rate of knots from view.

For reference I'm a qualified airline pilot and he has a masters in aero engineering. Neither of us have a clue how to explain it to this day.

Anyone's guess frankly.

This was Northumberland!