Paranormal experiences
Discussion
Bill said:
Indeed. Two self limiting conditions sorted themselves out, no doubt helped by the placebo effect. (I'm ignoring the showman's "look how weak you are" diagnosis and "cure".)
Some on this thread have interesting stories that can't be easily explained, and wonder if there could be a paranormal explanation. They're open-minded.
Others have some stories they are convinced have no explanation other than paranormal. They refuse to listen to any explanation that doesn't suit their view, and (ironically) shout down any discussion.
That's pretty close minded, no? And imo ruining the thread.
I think what is beginning to annoy people Bill is the people on here who absolutely dismiss anything that they don't believe in & ridicule anyone for having a story that they believe to be "paranormal" without really looking into any of the facts or listening to what others are saying! I know that most things can be explained but I wouldn't suggest that somebody is a "mental loon" (as previously mentioned) just because they want to believe that what happened to them couldn't be explained at the time, hence they say it could have been something paranormal. I don't think anyone should be ridiculed for something that they believe happened just the same as a religious person or somebody who believes that life exists elsewhere other than earth! If we all had a one dimensional mind, wouldn't life be extremely boring?Some on this thread have interesting stories that can't be easily explained, and wonder if there could be a paranormal explanation. They're open-minded.
Others have some stories they are convinced have no explanation other than paranormal. They refuse to listen to any explanation that doesn't suit their view, and (ironically) shout down any discussion.
That's pretty close minded, no? And imo ruining the thread.
boobles said:
I think what is beginning to annoy people Bill is the people on here who absolutely dismiss anything that they don't believe in & ridicule anyone for having a story that they believe to be "paranormal" without really looking into any of the facts or listening to what others are saying! I know that most things can be explained but I wouldn't suggest that somebody is a "mental loon" (as previously mentioned) just because they want to believe that what happened to them couldn't be explained at the time, hence they say it could have been something paranormal. I don't think anyone should be ridiculed for something that they believe happened just the same as a religious person or somebody who believes that life exists elsewhere other than earth! If we all had a one dimensional mind, wouldn't life be extremely boring?
Its like the acronym UFO, it seems to have been hijacked by the woo-woo brigade and become a word of its own. The problem is when person A says "I saw a UFO yesterday" they get shouted down by person B because of the association of UFO = alien life visiting us in a flying saucer. Which is incorrect; it merely means that person A witnessed something that was (or appeared to be) flying and they couldn't identify it at the time they observed it.
All of this trash talk is the reason I'll never share my experiences on a public forum. Paranormal experiences can be very intense and personal so unless you have had a few, you just don't get it. A bit like front line combat, you can read loads of books on the subject but unless you have had the real experience you will never know what it's like.
There is overwhelming evidence for the continuation of human concousness after physical death I'm still amazed we are debating it these days.
There is overwhelming evidence for the continuation of human concousness after physical death I'm still amazed we are debating it these days.
Andy_stook_2k said:
All of this trash talk is the reason I'll never share my experiences on a public forum. Paranormal experiences can be very intense and personal so unless you have had a few, you just don't get it. A bit like front line combat, you can read loads of books on the subject but unless you have had the real experience you will never know what it's like.
There is overwhelming evidence for the continuation of human concousness after physical death I'm still amazed we are debating it these days.
It's not just that side of things Andy, it's some people's ability to know things they 'can't' possibly have known. I had a large amount of cash stolen 4 years ago - the proceeds of selling a car. Stupidly I hadn't banked it and it was in a bag semi hidden. The only people with an alarm code were the two Polish cleaners. I racked my brains but they were the only suspects. I've recounted on another thread how useless the Police were, they couldn't even get the address right and took 8 weeks to interview the girls as they waited for an interpreter to be free despite them speaking very good english. I had many sleepless nights with it going round and round. Had I missed something had the boiler been serviced had I left the doors unlocked and all were no's. In that time I went round in circles and I eventually decided to phone my psychic friend who I hadn't spoken to for about 3 years as he lives an hour away and our paths don't cross. I said hi it's me, 'oh' he said, then 'you've got to let it go mate'. I hadn't even explained why I was calling. Anyway I then just said I've had a burglary, and that was all. He says 'how long will it take you to earn it again' - I hadn't mentioned the money at this stage. I said a few months so he says just move on. I said have you any idea who... 'just move on' he says. So I said look pal I'm going round in circles as to who - do you have an idea? He VERY reluctantly says 'she's tall, blonde and has a strong accent. But just let it go you'll get nowhere' There is overwhelming evidence for the continuation of human concousness after physical death I'm still amazed we are debating it these days.
The Police did their 'bit' which was next to useless they hadn't even investigated the reg of a car seen parked on the day, they just went through the motions and told me the girls didn't admit so they couldn't go further.
A week later the tall blonde one went back to live in Poland.
An expected conversation would be being asked how much, circumstances, dates and information to build up a picture. He didn't ask anything of the sort, just told me, I think reluctantly as he is quite private and like others realises what he knows can lead to big problems if too openly dispensed.
Draw your own conclusions, but I'm certainly not alone in having had various experiences that are to the casual Joe way outside of normal expectation.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 9th December 08:25
V6Pushfit said:
If you are so intent on trotting out the same old same old why don't you contact and go and interview you local Police and ask them why they involve psychics.
The don't, it's a complete lie. You've been watching too much telly. The Met last used a psychic in 1965 and it led them on a wild goose chase. They haven't since.Produce the evidence!
V6Pushfit said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You don't understand regressive genes and if you did you'd see why your idea doesn't fly.
Suggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
I have absolutely no need or interest in proving anything to anyoneSuggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
If I were you' I'd be curious and want to investigate it. I like learning new stuff.
Easy way for a psychic to win a bit of beer money...
http://www.psychicchallenge.co.nz/index.html
...and to silence all the skeptics.
http://www.psychicchallenge.co.nz/index.html
...and to silence all the skeptics.
can't remember said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You don't understand regressive genes and if you did you'd see why your idea doesn't fly.
Suggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
Twig, a bit off topic but, don't you find Dawkins to be quite a poor author? I am a massive admirer of the guy but I feel that he aims his writing a bit low and people like me who want more science and less repetition can end up a bit frustrated with the pace his books. Suggest you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Dawkins as a laymans guide to evolution.
And "from what you've seen" doesn't sound like the basis of a sound idea. You need a bit more than that. Like proper research and peer review.
I think The Magic of Reality is a fabulous book for 8-12 year olds to spark a real interest in science.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The don't, it's a complete lie. You've been watching too much telly. The Met last used a psychic in 1965 and it led them on a wild goose chase. They haven't since.
Produce the evidence!
Oh yes they do! Produce the evidence!
What I have said is bang on.
I'm not giving the location for reasons it's been left an open case - for now.
V6Pushfit said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The don't, it's a complete lie. You've been watching too much telly. The Met last used a psychic in 1965 and it led them on a wild goose chase. They haven't since.
Produce the evidence!
Oh yes they do! Produce the evidence!
What I have said is bang on.
I'm not giving the location for reasons it's been left an open case - for now.
20 seconds on t'internet and I found this from an article in the Guardian:
"In 2006, a group called UK Sceptics formally asked every police force if they had ever used a psychic. All the replies were a predictable "no" – except one. The Metropolitan Police admitted that in one case in 1965 a psychic had "played a major part". A 37-year-old haulage operator called Thomas "Ginger" Marks had mysteriously disappeared and Freddie Foreman, a gangster who worked for the Krays, was acquitted of the murder in 1975. But in 2000 he admitted the killing and that Marks's body had been thrown in the sea. The psychic's involvement is still unclear, but the Met say the case records are stored at the national archives in Kew. All that we know, beyond Foreman's confession, is that no body was ever found and the case is still officially "unsolved".
So there's my evidence. Not fool proof, not everything on the internet or in the Guardian is true. But let's see your evidence that the police use psychics.
ash73 said:
Paranormal experiences are like front line combat!
I rang up a psychic and told him I'd been burgled, how could he possibly know it was about money?!
Get a grip!
Oh yeah thats right I told him about being burgled first, I got it wrong silly me and of course money is whats only taken in all burglaries not jewellery/cars/other stuff. Also the blonde Polish girl I must have told him that first as wellI rang up a psychic and told him I'd been burgled, how could he possibly know it was about money?!
Get a grip!
FFS
V6Pushfit said:
It's not just that side of things Andy, it's some people's ability to know things they 'can't' possibly have known. I had a large amount of cash stolen 4 years ago - the proceeds of selling a car. Stupidly I hadn't banked it and it was in a bag semi hidden. The only people with an alarm code were the two Polish cleaners. I racked my brains but they were the only suspects. I've recounted on another thread how useless the Police were, they couldn't even get the address right and took 8 weeks to interview the girls as they waited for an interpreter to be free despite them speaking very good english. I had many sleepless nights with it going round and round. Had I missed something had the boiler been serviced had I left the doors unlocked and all were no's. In that time I went round in circles and I eventually decided to phone my psychic friend who I hadn't spoken to for about 3 years as he lives an hour away and our paths don't cross. I said hi it's me, 'oh' he said, then 'you've got to let it go mate'. I hadn't even explained why I was calling. Anyway I then just said I've had a burglary, and that was all. He says 'how long will it take you to earn it again' - I hadn't mentioned the money at this stage. I said a few months so he says just move on. I said have you any idea who... 'just move on' he says. So I said look pal I'm going round in circles as to who - do you have an idea? He VERY reluctantly says 'she's tall, blonde and has a strong accent. But just let it go you'll get nowhere'
The Police did their 'bit' which was next to useless they hadn't even investigated the reg of a car seen parked on the day, they just went through the motions and told me the girls didn't admit so they couldn't go further.
A week later the tall blonde one went back to live in Poland.
An expected conversation would be being asked how much, circumstances, dates and information to build up a picture. He didn't ask anything of the sort, just told me, I think reluctantly as he is quite private and like others realises what he knows can lead to big problems if too openly dispensed.
Draw your own conclusions, but I'm certainly not alone in having had various experiences that are to the casual Joe way outside of normal expectation.
Derren Brown (I think it was, anyway) talked about something reasonably close to this in one of his shows. He claimed that the two most common reasons for contacting a psychic revolved around either money problems or family problems which related to money. It was furthered by saying that most cold readings start with telling someone 'not to worry about the money' as a huge percentage of the population DO worry about money. It's therefore conceivable that by just telling a complete stranger to not worry about the money, you have the highest successful hit rate.The Police did their 'bit' which was next to useless they hadn't even investigated the reg of a car seen parked on the day, they just went through the motions and told me the girls didn't admit so they couldn't go further.
A week later the tall blonde one went back to live in Poland.
An expected conversation would be being asked how much, circumstances, dates and information to build up a picture. He didn't ask anything of the sort, just told me, I think reluctantly as he is quite private and like others realises what he knows can lead to big problems if too openly dispensed.
Draw your own conclusions, but I'm certainly not alone in having had various experiences that are to the casual Joe way outside of normal expectation.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 9th December 08:25
If I think of everyone I know, I'm sure I'd could get some kind of emotional response to telling any one of them to 'not worry about the money'.
As for the tall blonde with a strong accent, that description is surprisingly vague if you look at it objectively. Could've been stolen by Dolph Lundgren, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Raquel Welch or Boris Johnson. It's not exactly a restrictive list of criteria.
Rawwr said:
V6Pushfit said:
It's not just that side of things Andy, it's some people's ability to know things they 'can't' possibly have known. I had a large amount of cash stolen 4 years ago - the proceeds of selling a car. Stupidly I hadn't banked it and it was in a bag semi hidden. The only people with an alarm code were the two Polish cleaners. I racked my brains but they were the only suspects. I've recounted on another thread how useless the Police were, they couldn't even get the address right and took 8 weeks to interview the girls as they waited for an interpreter to be free despite them speaking very good english. I had many sleepless nights with it going round and round. Had I missed something had the boiler been serviced had I left the doors unlocked and all were no's. In that time I went round in circles and I eventually decided to phone my psychic friend who I hadn't spoken to for about 3 years as he lives an hour away and our paths don't cross. I said hi it's me, 'oh' he said, then 'you've got to let it go mate'. I hadn't even explained why I was calling. Anyway I then just said I've had a burglary, and that was all. He says 'how long will it take you to earn it again' - I hadn't mentioned the money at this stage. I said a few months so he says just move on. I said have you any idea who... 'just move on' he says. So I said look pal I'm going round in circles as to who - do you have an idea? He VERY reluctantly says 'she's tall, blonde and has a strong accent. But just let it go you'll get nowhere'
The Police did their 'bit' which was next to useless they hadn't even investigated the reg of a car seen parked on the day, they just went through the motions and told me the girls didn't admit so they couldn't go further.
A week later the tall blonde one went back to live in Poland.
An expected conversation would be being asked how much, circumstances, dates and information to build up a picture. He didn't ask anything of the sort, just told me, I think reluctantly as he is quite private and like others realises what he knows can lead to big problems if too openly dispensed.
Draw your own conclusions, but I'm certainly not alone in having had various experiences that are to the casual Joe way outside of normal expectation.
Derren Brown (I think it was, anyway) talked about something reasonably close to this in one of his shows. He claimed that the two most common reasons for contacting a psychic revolved around either money problems or family problems which related to money. It was furthered by saying that most cold readings start with telling someone 'not to worry about the money' as a huge percentage of the population DO worry about money. It's therefore conceivable that by just telling a complete stranger to not worry about the money, you have the highest successful hit rate.The Police did their 'bit' which was next to useless they hadn't even investigated the reg of a car seen parked on the day, they just went through the motions and told me the girls didn't admit so they couldn't go further.
A week later the tall blonde one went back to live in Poland.
An expected conversation would be being asked how much, circumstances, dates and information to build up a picture. He didn't ask anything of the sort, just told me, I think reluctantly as he is quite private and like others realises what he knows can lead to big problems if too openly dispensed.
Draw your own conclusions, but I'm certainly not alone in having had various experiences that are to the casual Joe way outside of normal expectation.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 9th December 08:25
If I think of everyone I know, I'm sure I'd could get some kind of emotional response to telling any one of them to 'not worry about the money'.
As for the tall blonde with a strong accent, that description is surprisingly vague if you look at it objectively. Could've been stolen by Dolph Lundgren, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Raquel Welch or Boris Johnson. It's not exactly a restrictive list of criteria.
And if there had been no blonde girl with an accent involved, then it would have just added to the the mystery and you'd have never known. You just remember it because it fits one of the girls.
I have to say, I'm quite glad the police didn't accuse the poor girl purely because she was identified by a psychic!
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well link to other cases then. Evidence.
20 seconds on t'internet and I found this from an article in the Guardian:
"In 2006, a group called UK Sceptics formally asked every police force if they had ever used a psychic. All the replies were a predictable "no" – except one. The Metropolitan Police admitted that in one case in 1965 a psychic had "played a major part". A 37-year-old haulage operator called Thomas "Ginger" Marks had mysteriously disappeared and Freddie Foreman, a gangster who worked for the Krays, was acquitted of the murder in 1975. But in 2000 he admitted the killing and that Marks's body had been thrown in the sea. The psychic's involvement is still unclear, but the Met say the case records are stored at the national archives in Kew. All that we know, beyond Foreman's confession, is that no body was ever found and the case is still officially "unsolved".
So there's my evidence. Not fool proof, not everything on the internet or in the Guardian is true. But let's see your evidence that the police use psychics.
Here we go again....20 seconds on t'internet and I found this from an article in the Guardian:
"In 2006, a group called UK Sceptics formally asked every police force if they had ever used a psychic. All the replies were a predictable "no" – except one. The Metropolitan Police admitted that in one case in 1965 a psychic had "played a major part". A 37-year-old haulage operator called Thomas "Ginger" Marks had mysteriously disappeared and Freddie Foreman, a gangster who worked for the Krays, was acquitted of the murder in 1975. But in 2000 he admitted the killing and that Marks's body had been thrown in the sea. The psychic's involvement is still unclear, but the Met say the case records are stored at the national archives in Kew. All that we know, beyond Foreman's confession, is that no body was ever found and the case is still officially "unsolved".
So there's my evidence. Not fool proof, not everything on the internet or in the Guardian is true. But let's see your evidence that the police use psychics.
So you think the Police would publicise it so that everyone who has a purse stolen demands one?
So you think the Police would publicise it so ignorant t
ts can have a go at them about 'wasting' money?So you think the Police would not be extremely discreet and confidential?
So you think that every detective would use a psychic on every case?
You think that Psychics would go and shout about involvement and not sign a confidentiality agreement - (not that they would need to)?
etc etc (yawn)
The account I have given is true and first hand from a serving officer who has absolutely no reason to lie, but the your internet search of the public side of the Polices PR says otherwise - what a surprise
If you want to make a point please do it considering the situation in the round not just posting links. There are many sides to large organisations that don't see the public light of day.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 9th December 09:41
V6Pushfit said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well link to other cases then. Evidence.
20 seconds on t'internet and I found this from an article in the Guardian:
"In 2006, a group called UK Sceptics formally asked every police force if they had ever used a psychic. All the replies were a predictable "no" – except one. The Metropolitan Police admitted that in one case in 1965 a psychic had "played a major part". A 37-year-old haulage operator called Thomas "Ginger" Marks had mysteriously disappeared and Freddie Foreman, a gangster who worked for the Krays, was acquitted of the murder in 1975. But in 2000 he admitted the killing and that Marks's body had been thrown in the sea. The psychic's involvement is still unclear, but the Met say the case records are stored at the national archives in Kew. All that we know, beyond Foreman's confession, is that no body was ever found and the case is still officially "unsolved".
So there's my evidence. Not fool proof, not everything on the internet or in the Guardian is true. But let's see your evidence that the police use psychics.
Here we go again....20 seconds on t'internet and I found this from an article in the Guardian:
"In 2006, a group called UK Sceptics formally asked every police force if they had ever used a psychic. All the replies were a predictable "no" – except one. The Metropolitan Police admitted that in one case in 1965 a psychic had "played a major part". A 37-year-old haulage operator called Thomas "Ginger" Marks had mysteriously disappeared and Freddie Foreman, a gangster who worked for the Krays, was acquitted of the murder in 1975. But in 2000 he admitted the killing and that Marks's body had been thrown in the sea. The psychic's involvement is still unclear, but the Met say the case records are stored at the national archives in Kew. All that we know, beyond Foreman's confession, is that no body was ever found and the case is still officially "unsolved".
So there's my evidence. Not fool proof, not everything on the internet or in the Guardian is true. But let's see your evidence that the police use psychics.
So you think the Police would publicise it so that everyone who has a purse stolen demands one?
So you think the Police would publicise it so ignorant t
ts can have a go at them about 'wasting' money?So you think the Police would not be extremely discreet and confidential?
So you think that every detective would use a psychic on every case?
You think that Psychics would go and shout about involvement and not sign a confidentiality agreement - (not that they would need to)?
etc etc (yawn)
The account I have given is true and first hand from a serving officer who has absolutely no reason to lie, but the your internet search of the public side of the Polices PR says otherwise - what a surprise
If you want to make a point please do it considering the situation in the round not just posting links. There are many sides to large organisations that don't see the public light of day.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 9th December 09:41
V6Pushfit said:
Einion Yrth said:
FoIA responses from police forces to the question...
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