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V6Pushfit said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well link to other cases then. Evidence.
20 seconds on t'internet and I found this from an article in the Guardian:
"In 2006, a group called UK Sceptics formally asked every police force if they had ever used a psychic. All the replies were a predictable "no" – except one. The Metropolitan Police admitted that in one case in 1965 a psychic had "played a major part". A 37-year-old haulage operator called Thomas "Ginger" Marks had mysteriously disappeared and Freddie Foreman, a gangster who worked for the Krays, was acquitted of the murder in 1975. But in 2000 he admitted the killing and that Marks's body had been thrown in the sea. The psychic's involvement is still unclear, but the Met say the case records are stored at the national archives in Kew. All that we know, beyond Foreman's confession, is that no body was ever found and the case is still officially "unsolved".
So there's my evidence. Not fool proof, not everything on the internet or in the Guardian is true. But let's see your evidence that the police use psychics.
Here we go again....20 seconds on t'internet and I found this from an article in the Guardian:
"In 2006, a group called UK Sceptics formally asked every police force if they had ever used a psychic. All the replies were a predictable "no" – except one. The Metropolitan Police admitted that in one case in 1965 a psychic had "played a major part". A 37-year-old haulage operator called Thomas "Ginger" Marks had mysteriously disappeared and Freddie Foreman, a gangster who worked for the Krays, was acquitted of the murder in 1975. But in 2000 he admitted the killing and that Marks's body had been thrown in the sea. The psychic's involvement is still unclear, but the Met say the case records are stored at the national archives in Kew. All that we know, beyond Foreman's confession, is that no body was ever found and the case is still officially "unsolved".
So there's my evidence. Not fool proof, not everything on the internet or in the Guardian is true. But let's see your evidence that the police use psychics.
So you think the Police would publicise it so that everyone who has a purse stolen demands one?
So you think the Police would publicise it so ignorant t
ts can have a go at them about 'wasting' money?So you think the Police would not be extremely discreet and confidential?
So you think that every detective would use a psychic on every case?
You think that Psychics would go and shout about involvement and not sign a confidentiality agreement - (not that they would need to)?
etc etc (yawn)
The account I have given is true and first hand from a serving officer who has absolutely no reason to lie, but the your internet search of the public side of the Polices PR says otherwise - what a surprise
If you want to make a point please do it considering the situation in the round not just posting links. There are many sides to large organisations that don't see the public light of day.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 9th December 09:41
How old are you? Why don't you stop acting like a petulant child and take yourself our of your comfort zone, and investigate for your own curiosity evolution and regressive genes, and look for actual evidence police involving psychics.
V6Pushfit said:
Here we go again....
So you think the Police would publicise it so that everyone who has a purse stolen demands one?
So you think the Police would publicise it so ignorant tts can have a go at them about 'wasting' money?
So you think the Police would not be extremely discreet and confidential?
So you think that every detective would use a psychic on every case?
You think that Psychics would go and shout about involvement and not sign a confidentiality agreement - (not that they would need to)?
etc etc (yawn)
The account I have given is true and first hand from a serving officer who has absolutely no reason to lie, but the your internet search of the public side of the Polices PR says otherwise - what a surprise
If you want to make a point please do it considering the situation in the round not just posting links. There are many sides to large organisations that don't see the public light of day.
To be honest I think the possibility of a successful find for the police by a psychic being kept a secret is the most unlikely thing about the whole scenario!So you think the Police would publicise it so that everyone who has a purse stolen demands one?
So you think the Police would publicise it so ignorant t
ts can have a go at them about 'wasting' money?So you think the Police would not be extremely discreet and confidential?
So you think that every detective would use a psychic on every case?
You think that Psychics would go and shout about involvement and not sign a confidentiality agreement - (not that they would need to)?
etc etc (yawn)
The account I have given is true and first hand from a serving officer who has absolutely no reason to lie, but the your internet search of the public side of the Polices PR says otherwise - what a surprise
If you want to make a point please do it considering the situation in the round not just posting links. There are many sides to large organisations that don't see the public light of day.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 9th December 09:41
Once you have an organisation that involves more than a couple of people keeping secrets becomes next to impossible, more so when you have the tensions created by differing ranks and missed promotions.
The divide in this thread shows a clear difference between the people who would like there to be more to the world we live in, something beyond the ordinary that can't be explained, and people that would want explanations for everything.
I think you're either a spiritual person or you're not. My childhood didn't involve much magic, my parents would tell me how and why things worked if asked and my older sister killed santa quite early on. I don't really remember any times where I was asked to take things on faith apart from my mum being right.
My entire working life has been in engineering inspection where I have to be able to prove and back up everything I do.
As one of the guys I worked with said "We're using sound you can't hear to find defects you can't see and they're asking why it's 0.1mm different from last year".
It tends to give you a different outlook.
I saw a post on an adventure motorbike site where a woman has ridden a long way round the world. I was following her journey until she started talking about orbs and the powers they have. She had photographed them at a beach party and was amazed there were so many.
I've had a lot of pictures with them on over the years due to a need to go into confined spaces that people don't go into on a regular basis, there were loads of orbs under the helideck on the rig I work on just now.
She was looking for, and found, something amazing. I found dust that got in the way of my picture.
Edited by Speed addicted on Friday 9th December 10:19
You can all get excited by the thrill of what you believe is correct, but at the end of the day I have relayed exactly my own experiences without embellishment. Its the reaction of others on here that is the key to why people who deal with this type of stuff daily arent on the net.
There's a big existence out there chaps, we only understand part of it and of that there are those here desperate to deny the edges even exist.
There's a big existence out there chaps, we only understand part of it and of that there are those here desperate to deny the edges even exist.
Greshamst said:
Was it V6Pushfit who threw a big strop in a thread started a few weeks ago about drugs, when people pointed out that alcohol was a drug, and he refused to accept that it was a 'real' drug?
No, thats not correct. The argument was from druggies that cannabis etc was fine and all cool and didnt lead to other drugs and should be used by everyone. They/you then trot out the usual guff on a drug thread about alcohol being the major issue in a desperate effort to deflect the argument away from drugs.
V6Pushfit said:
There's a big existence out there chaps, we only understand part of it
Part of it we do understand is evolution, regressive genes and how they work. Yet despite this conclusive evidence, you believe stuff that is completely contrary to the evidence.You aren't talking about stuff we don't know. You are talking about stuff we do know and ignoring it anyway.
Bottom line, you believe what you believe, and you don't want the issue clouded with facts.
V6Pushfit said:
Here we go again....
So you think the Police would publicise it so that everyone who has a purse stolen demands one?
So you think the Police would publicise it so ignorant tts can have a go at them about 'wasting' money?
So you think the Police would not be extremely discreet and confidential?
So you think that every detective would use a psychic on every case?
You think that Psychics would go and shout about involvement and not sign a confidentiality agreement - (not that they would need to)?
etc etc (yawn)
The account I have given is true and first hand from a serving officer who has absolutely no reason to lie, but the your internet search of the public side of the Polices PR says otherwise - what a surprise
If you want to make a point please do it considering the situation in the round not just posting links. There are many sides to large organisations that don't see the public light of day.
I believe in the Freedom of Information Act. FOI requests have been made to all forces for their use of consultants and the requests have been fulfilled to have shown no use of psychics. If you claim is suggesting that the responses to FOI requests have been fabricated, altered or are in any way dishonest then that's a very, very serious allegation indeed.So you think the Police would publicise it so that everyone who has a purse stolen demands one?
So you think the Police would publicise it so ignorant t
ts can have a go at them about 'wasting' money?So you think the Police would not be extremely discreet and confidential?
So you think that every detective would use a psychic on every case?
You think that Psychics would go and shout about involvement and not sign a confidentiality agreement - (not that they would need to)?
etc etc (yawn)
The account I have given is true and first hand from a serving officer who has absolutely no reason to lie, but the your internet search of the public side of the Polices PR says otherwise - what a surprise
If you want to make a point please do it considering the situation in the round not just posting links. There are many sides to large organisations that don't see the public light of day.
Rawwr said:
I believe in the Freedom of Information Act. FOI requests have been made to all forces for their use of consultants and the requests have been fulfilled to have shown no use of psychics. If you claim is suggesting that the responses to FOI requests have been fabricated, altered or are in any way dishonest then that's a very, very serious allegation indeed.
ohh thats a worryJust look at the question posed, some of the answers being seriously caged, the fact that replies were not complete, account for 60% only of the forces, plus only reiterated on someone elses website not scans of original data, and many replies deflected the question to being one asking if they respond to approaches from 'psychics' not the other way round. So its not conclusive by any stretch.
Of course you would know all that anyway because you're clever.
Added to which one of the forces that stated a 'no' is in fact the one I have referred to which DOES - probably because they understandably don't have a handle on what individual detectives do so replied 'in totum'.
V6Pushfit said:
^ I'm enjoying this...
I can feel a 'but alcohol is a drug' moment about to appear. Yawn. We might as well get onto that on here its about as relevant as a diversion to this topic as it was when talking about hard drug addiction.
And on that note ahm oot.
I can feel a 'but alcohol is a drug' moment about to appear. Yawn. We might as well get onto that on here its about as relevant as a diversion to this topic as it was when talking about hard drug addiction.
And on that note ahm oot.
For a solid 45 minutes.
Rawwr said:
Let me rephrase it:
Do you believe there's a possibility that he lied?
Very doubtful it was in the station and they were all quite excited by it. Could it possibly be something on the internet asking Police Forces a 'difficult' question (10 years ago) has in the scheme of things been answered accordingly? Nooooooo the internet he lie.Do you believe there's a possibility that he lied?
So, the fact that the information on that website is from over 10 years ago just shows how things have changed. Unless lying has increased of course so maybe there should be a FOI on that. See:
2015: http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/603402/Ps...
2009: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8369369.stm
2015: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/psychic-detec...
USA: http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/...
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 9th December 13:04
V6Pushfit said:
There's a big existence out there chaps, we only understand part of it and of that there are those here desperate to deny the edges even exist.
Can you take your best guess as to what you think is out there?Is our knowledge of something like the electromagnetic spectrum just incomplete?
Is there another fundamental force that our eyes and cameras occasional detect?
Is it another dimension beyond the 4 we live in?
It annoys me when people think I'm close minded for asking questions and then not getting answers.
See above post and links, yes the Police DO use psychics, and if you want to continue the row go and rail into the wind as I know what I have experienced and know what a lot of others have experienced. Sad though it may be to some of you, you will have to acknowledge that by luck or not (however you see it) you haven't been exposed to any situation you haven't understood. Maybe that'll happen one day you just never know.
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