Paranormal experiences
Discussion
HarryW said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
everyeggabird said:
Why would a serving police officer lie about what he had seen.
There's a difference between a lie and a mistake.APOLO1 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Sorry to hear about your mum, that must've been an awful phone call to take.
Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
Uk time is one Hr behind. Both watches set to Uk time....I only ever use the heart rate function on the watch. 720/1 feel a bit better now, spooked me a bit...Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
drainbrain said:
Yeah well the simultaneous time on the watch is 720/1. Then there's the simultaneous left side pain. Then there's the simultaneous fall. Then there's the simultaneous day. Then there's the proximity of relationship. There's 5 coincidences so far…..so what are the accumulated odds on the lot happening simultaneously to mother and son? Astronomical.
Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
How many close relatives are their on the planet...an astronomical amount.Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
Even if you calculate the odds of something happening as a billion to one, that means on average it'll happen to 7 people.
As for "twins...why not", the reason why not is because every single time twins who claim to have a telepathic link have that link subjected to proper scrutiny and rigorous testing in a scientific method, there is no evidence for it. That's why not. It's big time confirmation bias.
drainbrain said:
APOLO1 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Sorry to hear about your mum, that must've been an awful phone call to take.
Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
Uk time is one Hr behind. Both watches set to Uk time....I only ever use the heart rate function on the watch. 720/1 feel a bit better now, spooked me a bit...Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
Baz Tench said:
I take it that's a tongue in cheek comment, but not at all. I actually find it all very interesting, so interesting that I ask for a repeat when something unexplainable happens, which I usually get.
No one else I know would be able to bring themselves to do that, especially those who have royally ripped the piss out of me.
Their response? "You asked for a repeat?! I'd get the f
k out of there!"
These are friends that lean heavily to the sceptical side of things.
Did you try to get a conversation going? One blow for yes, two for no...No one else I know would be able to bring themselves to do that, especially those who have royally ripped the piss out of me.
Their response? "You asked for a repeat?! I'd get the f
k out of there!"These are friends that lean heavily to the sceptical side of things.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
drainbrain said:
Yeah well the simultaneous time on the watch is 720/1. Then there's the simultaneous left side pain. Then there's the simultaneous fall. Then there's the simultaneous day. Then there's the proximity of relationship. There's 5 coincidences so far…..so what are the accumulated odds on the lot happening simultaneously to mother and son? Astronomical.
Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
How many close relatives are their on the planet...an astronomical amount.Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
Even if you calculate the odds of something happening as a billion to one, that means on average it'll happen to 7 people.
As for "twins...why not", the reason why not is because every single time twins who claim to have a telepathic link have that link subjected to proper scrutiny and rigorous testing in a scientific method, there is no evidence for it. That's why not. It's big time confirmation bias.
'Proper Scrutiny' is in the same smug get-out category as doing a 'published paper with peer review' it ain't going to happen that way this isn't science, or at least not one we understand.
p1stonhead said:
drainbrain said:
APOLO1 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Sorry to hear about your mum, that must've been an awful phone call to take.
Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
Uk time is one Hr behind. Both watches set to Uk time....I only ever use the heart rate function on the watch. 720/1 feel a bit better now, spooked me a bit...Is the point of the story that you got your sharp pain just as your mum was having her heart attack and falling, in which case isn't there an hour or 2 time difference between UK & Spain?
If the point is both watched stopped at the same reading, 10.31, then as you both had a heavy fall and both watches were damaged, then you have a 720/1 chance of them both giving the same reading. (assuming they are both 12hr watches) Which is long odds, but perfectly possible none the less.
Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
His mum might not have had any left sided pain. She could have slipped and fallen, banged her head and been knocked out, and had the heart attack whilst unconscious. In which case if it was mum and son paranormal linkage, Apolo should have got a head pain.
Of course Apolo could have made the whole thing up, which I don't think he has, as he seems a pretty reasonable chap, but as an explanation, is a far more logical conclusion to reach than "Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right. ". After all, there is plenty of documented proof of people lying on the internet, which elevates it above the paranormal as a possibility, for which there is no evidence whatsoever.
V6Pushfit said:
^ The bias is the odds there. They are actually trillions to one, ie mathematically impossible. Given these sorts of things happpening aren't uncommon, particularly between twins who we all know can exhibit baffling 'coincidences' - don't you think there's more to it?
'Proper Scrutiny' is in the same smug get-out category as doing a 'published paper with peer review' it ain't going to happen that way this isn't science, or at least not one we understand.
I think you'll find "proper scrutiny doesn't work on the paranormal" is the smug get out clause.'Proper Scrutiny' is in the same smug get-out category as doing a 'published paper with peer review' it ain't going to happen that way this isn't science, or at least not one we understand.
Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
V6Pushfit said:
^ The bias is the odds there. They are actually trillions to one, ie mathematically impossible.
I don't play with odds often, has this been worked out and if there is a chance in a trillion then that would be improbable not imposdible? Or unlikely or whatever the technal term is.drainbrain said:
Yeah well the simultaneous time on the watch is 720/1. Then there's the simultaneous left side pain. Then there's the simultaneous fall. Then there's the simultaneous day. Then there's the proximity of relationship. There's 5 coincidences so far…..so what are the accumulated odds on the lot happening simultaneously to mother and son? Astronomical.
Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
One other point I forgot to mention. My mom always carried her mobile with her, an old Nokia. When the Police found her body the phone was by her side. The Menu had been scrolled down to dial me, the call never came through. This is were the copper got my no from to call me.Sorry mate, it's paranormal all right.
Sometimes you hear of similar types of things between twins. One dies and the other somehow senses it. Why not?
Like I said, I am not religious and keep an open mind on things, but clearly on that day at that time my mom had a major problem and tried to contact me.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think you'll find "proper scrutiny doesn't work on the paranormal" is the smug get out clause.
Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
Been to see a psychic yet or spoken face to face with someone who has?Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
Do come back when you have, then you can post with some knowledge instead of carping on about something you're ignorant of.
I must say I did chuckle yesterday when a lady was handing out business cards and I had a look and she was a 'phsycic' , I just thought wow! Assumed she just didn't want to do a proper job, looked the type - very council!
However I'm enjoying reading the stories people are putting up about odd experiences, I've had a couple of strange things happen myself, but never seen a ghost or anything like that!
However I'm enjoying reading the stories people are putting up about odd experiences, I've had a couple of strange things happen myself, but never seen a ghost or anything like that!
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think you'll find "proper scrutiny doesn't work on the paranormal" is the smug get out clause.
Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
I wasn't being smug when I wrote 'that's our world, not theirs'. I was merely referencing our arrogance at trying to control everything, record everything. We can't possibly know everything about everything, only what we know so far.Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
Baz Tench said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think you'll find "proper scrutiny doesn't work on the paranormal" is the smug get out clause.
Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
I wasn't being smug when I wrote 'that's our world, not theirs'. I was merely referencing our arrogance at trying to control everything, record everything. We can't possibly know everything about everything, only what we know so far.Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
Recessive genes don't work in he way it has been suggested by V6 on here.
No video evidence of anything paranormal, despite billions of CCTV cameras and smartphones.
No psychic has ever stood up to any kind of proper controlled scrutiny.
Loads of psychics have been exposed as frauds.
Loads of psychics have admitted to being frauds
The likes of Derren Brown can do exactly what psychics do, often far better, and have people saying "no way could he have known that" yet they do it as a trick and admit to having no special powers.
The police do not use psychics, and no one can produce evidence that they do.
As for the stuff we don't know, the answer is "do more science".
V6Pushfit said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think you'll find "proper scrutiny doesn't work on the paranormal" is the smug get out clause.
Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
Been to see a psychic yet or spoken face to face with someone who has?Same as "that's our world, not theirs" as a smug get out clause for why the hundreds of millions of CCTV cameras around the globe have never picked up a single case of objects mysteriously moving when unattended.
Critical thinking isn't a skill most people have or want.
Baz Tench said:
I have had psychics round my house actually, and they did bring things up, specific things that they absolutely couldn't have known. I was very sceptical of them before. I'm aware of all the tricks and the fakes by the way, and have seen some that fall into that category before.
Same as what people said about Derren Brown then?Rollin said:
Baz Tench said:
I have had psychics round my house actually, and they did bring things up, specific things that they absolutely couldn't have known. I was very sceptical of them before. I'm aware of all the tricks and the fakes by the way, and have seen some that fall into that category before.
Same as what people said about Derren Brown then?TwigtheWonderkid said:
So what do we know so far?
Recessive genes don't work in he way it has been suggested by V6 on here.
No video evidence of anything paranormal, despite billions of CCTV cameras and smartphones.
No psychic has ever stood up to any kind of proper controlled scrutiny.
Loads of psychics have been exposed as frauds.
Loads of psychics have admitted to being frauds
The likes of Derren Brown can do exactly what psychics do, often far better, and have people saying "no way could he have known that" yet they do it as a trick and admit to having no special powers.
The police do not use psychics, and no one can produce evidence that they do.
As for the stuff we don't know, the answer is "do more science".
Dr Julie Beischel's scientific study of mediums is significant, what are your thoughts of her work when you studied it ?Recessive genes don't work in he way it has been suggested by V6 on here.
No video evidence of anything paranormal, despite billions of CCTV cameras and smartphones.
No psychic has ever stood up to any kind of proper controlled scrutiny.
Loads of psychics have been exposed as frauds.
Loads of psychics have admitted to being frauds
The likes of Derren Brown can do exactly what psychics do, often far better, and have people saying "no way could he have known that" yet they do it as a trick and admit to having no special powers.
The police do not use psychics, and no one can produce evidence that they do.
As for the stuff we don't know, the answer is "do more science".
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