Is your job at risk from A.I. ?
Discussion
stuartmmcfc said:
Gorilla Boy said:
Nope, always going to need engineers to fix and improve systems/machinery 
Your job will be one of the first to go when the machines can out think us 
BlueFiestaST said:
Aren't profits of these huge corporations already big enough?
It depends on the company. Some yes, some no.Well, it depends what you mean by 'big enough'. If a company reports a loss or break even for a particular period, I'd hope it would improve by the next time it reports
My old job has already been dumbed down to the public to the point where they are invited to view it as no more difficult than buying a car. Many are happy to leave it to a slightly trained tick boxer with one qualified person supervising (usually okay but rarely s
t hot) and don't know the difference other than the lack of personal service.
In the background there are often issues which are being built up that will only come out 5, 10, 15, 20 years later that could bite their bum.
I know that there are people working on AI to take over those roles and if i were in those seats i would be starting to get concerns.
My job though is about far more than just sending a load of forms and asking a few questions. There is personal contact, detailed advice on any issues and advice about any implications which may need to be considered beyond the face value transaction. Nothing can replace looking into the whites of a persons eyes to get the massage across or to see if you need to dig a little further.
AI is good and getting better but it will take more time to develop it to the point where it can read the 1001 non verbal communicators people give out or scan a pile of papers and get the feel if something is likely to be right or if there is likely a nasty in there. This is not a skill that can be programmed or taught, it is a mixture of individual human qualities and experience. It is the human ability for irrational but logical thought that computers will have great difficulty in replicating.
t hot) and don't know the difference other than the lack of personal service. In the background there are often issues which are being built up that will only come out 5, 10, 15, 20 years later that could bite their bum.
I know that there are people working on AI to take over those roles and if i were in those seats i would be starting to get concerns.
My job though is about far more than just sending a load of forms and asking a few questions. There is personal contact, detailed advice on any issues and advice about any implications which may need to be considered beyond the face value transaction. Nothing can replace looking into the whites of a persons eyes to get the massage across or to see if you need to dig a little further.
AI is good and getting better but it will take more time to develop it to the point where it can read the 1001 non verbal communicators people give out or scan a pile of papers and get the feel if something is likely to be right or if there is likely a nasty in there. This is not a skill that can be programmed or taught, it is a mixture of individual human qualities and experience. It is the human ability for irrational but logical thought that computers will have great difficulty in replicating.
stuartmmcfc said:
TBH I can't think of a single job that couldn't be done by .AI.
It wont be the AI thats lacking it will be the roboticsCarpenter working on an Oak Barn
Electrician installing cables during a refurbishment
Farmer picking up an animal to inspect it
Jobs where experience and instinct are required
All the robots i have seen so far are miles away from the versatility of a human.
Most of the PH community are already done for by the looks of it
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bristolracer said:
It wont be the AI thats lacking it will be the robotics
Carpenter working on an Oak Barn
Electrician installing cables during a refurbishment
Farmer picking up an animal to inspect it
Jobs where experience and instinct are required
All the robots i have seen so far are miles away from the versatility of a human.
It will take time to get there, but often it's just the lack of imagination/ understanding of what can be done (sometimes not now) as to jobs like that. For example farmer picking up an animal to inspect it.Carpenter working on an Oak Barn
Electrician installing cables during a refurbishment
Farmer picking up an animal to inspect it
Jobs where experience and instinct are required
All the robots i have seen so far are miles away from the versatility of a human.
Robots combined with AI could scan the animal, pick up issues the farmer would not notice as it it can use lots of different times of sensors (IR, x-rays, ultrasound as examples) and also do genetic tests at the same time and so is it a good animal to use in breeding etc.
Rude-boy said:
My old job has already been dumbed down to the public to the point where they are invited to view it as no more difficult than buying a car. Many are happy to leave it to a slightly trained tick boxer with one qualified person supervising (usually okay but rarely st hot) and don't know the difference other than the lack of personal service.
In the background there are often issues which are being built up that will only come out 5, 10, 15, 20 years later that could bite their bum.
I know that there are people working on AI to take over those roles and if i were in those seats i would be starting to get concerns.
My job though is about far more than just sending a load of forms and asking a few questions. There is personal contact, detailed advice on any issues and advice about any implications which may need to be considered beyond the face value transaction. Nothing can replace looking into the whites of a persons eyes to get the massage across or to see if you need to dig a little further.
AI is good and getting better but it will take more time to develop it to the point where it can read the 1001 non verbal communicators people give out or scan a pile of papers and get the feel if something is likely to be right or if there is likely a nasty in there. This is not a skill that can be programmed or taught, it is a mixture of individual human qualities and experience. It is the human ability for irrational but logical thought that computers will have great difficulty in replicating.
What job are you talking about here?t hot) and don't know the difference other than the lack of personal service. In the background there are often issues which are being built up that will only come out 5, 10, 15, 20 years later that could bite their bum.
I know that there are people working on AI to take over those roles and if i were in those seats i would be starting to get concerns.
My job though is about far more than just sending a load of forms and asking a few questions. There is personal contact, detailed advice on any issues and advice about any implications which may need to be considered beyond the face value transaction. Nothing can replace looking into the whites of a persons eyes to get the massage across or to see if you need to dig a little further.
AI is good and getting better but it will take more time to develop it to the point where it can read the 1001 non verbal communicators people give out or scan a pile of papers and get the feel if something is likely to be right or if there is likely a nasty in there. This is not a skill that can be programmed or taught, it is a mixture of individual human qualities and experience. It is the human ability for irrational but logical thought that computers will have great difficulty in replicating.
You're likely not thinking big enough as in the example above. For example AI/computers would be able to detect muscles in the person's face tightening, pupils contacting etc to be able to do the equivalent of "looking into the whites of a person's eyes".
These will take time to develop properly, but it is likely to happen at some point.
NRS said:
bristolracer said:
It wont be the AI thats lacking it will be the robotics
Carpenter working on an Oak Barn
Electrician installing cables during a refurbishment
Farmer picking up an animal to inspect it
Jobs where experience and instinct are required
All the robots i have seen so far are miles away from the versatility of a human.
It will take time to get there, but often it's just the lack of imagination/ understanding of what can be done (sometimes not now) as to jobs like that. For example farmer picking up an animal to inspect it.Carpenter working on an Oak Barn
Electrician installing cables during a refurbishment
Farmer picking up an animal to inspect it
Jobs where experience and instinct are required
All the robots i have seen so far are miles away from the versatility of a human.
Robots combined with AI could scan the animal, pick up issues the farmer would not notice as it it can use lots of different times of sensors (IR, x-rays, ultrasound as examples) and also do genetic tests at the same time and so is it a good animal to use in breeding etc.
NRS said:
What job are you talking about here?
You're likely not thinking big enough as in the example above. For example AI/computers would be able to detect muscles in the person's face tightening, pupils contacting etc to be able to do the equivalent of "looking into the whites of a person's eyes".
These will take time to develop properly, but it is likely to happen at some point.
Property Law.You're likely not thinking big enough as in the example above. For example AI/computers would be able to detect muscles in the person's face tightening, pupils contacting etc to be able to do the equivalent of "looking into the whites of a person's eyes".
These will take time to develop properly, but it is likely to happen at some point.
I know what you are saying but honestly it is going to take more than another 30 years to crack it to the point where the job I do will be possible to replace either from a socially accepted view or a technical one. The technology will replace the function but will not be able to replace intangible benefits nor the human interaction. As said the basics of my job are able to be done simply. Knowing what to do when it goes off the hymn sheet is harder. Then tailoring that to the needs (emotional, financial, legal, etc) of the individual client harder still.
Basically you can buy and sell a 66 Focus but can you take and restore a Lotus Cortiana and make sure the replacement DB4 is up to the mark?
Atomic12C said:
Fastdruid said:
Find a new career. Same as farriers, horse holders, coopers, chimney sweeps, night soil men etc had to when their careers were killed off.
Notice you didn't throw 'miners' in to the mix, probably as most of them are still on the dole 
Munter said:
sherman said:
I work in a pub. My industry will be one of the last to be mechanised as the customer likes the interaction between humans. Bars could easily be ran by computers but people find them cold.
You are kidding!Please give me an automated system where I select my drink, swipe my card, and out it comes. No longer being ignored/skipped over. No nose pickings in the drink. No "you gave me a tenner" rubbish.
Please someone make it happen asap.
A very clean, upmarket place, immaculately kept in terms of decor and cleanliness and a very sharp cookie as a LL.
He got a few of those tables in where there were beer taps in the centre of a big round table, customers put credit on to the taps and were allowed to refill their own glasses at their own table.
I went in a few months later and the whole shebang had been ripped out again. Not been back for a while I'll make a point of asking him why it didn't work out next time I see him.
Is this not the same question as forty years ago : "Is your job at risk from computers?"
Humans aren't perfect, therefore our automated tools aren't perfect, therefore the AI that will supposedly evolve from current generation systems will never be perfect enough to self-heal.
My job is IT Support, where much of my day is spent fixing a system that was working fine yesterday. I struggle to see any reality in fully functioning, self-managing, self-aware, self-healing systems.
Humans aren't perfect, therefore our automated tools aren't perfect, therefore the AI that will supposedly evolve from current generation systems will never be perfect enough to self-heal.
My job is IT Support, where much of my day is spent fixing a system that was working fine yesterday. I struggle to see any reality in fully functioning, self-managing, self-aware, self-healing systems.
Darryl247W said:
I struggle to see any reality in fully functioning, self-managing, self-aware, self-healing systems.
I'm quite fond of my wife and pets.I think you aren't thinking large enough; as a rather facile analogy, 40 years ago if you'd shown me a memory stick and told me that it contained all of the music I was lugging around in 4 large, heavy, boxes of vinyl I'd have suggested you were nuts...
TheExcession said:
stuartmmcfc said:
TBH I can't think of a single job that couldn't be done by .AI.
I'm likely due some surgery on my neck around the C6-C7 level - I'm completely sure I'd not want an AI robot having a go at that.
Einion Yrth said:
I'm quite fond of my wife and pets.
I think you aren't thinking large enough; as a rather facile analogy, 40 years ago if you'd shown me a memory stick and told me that it contained all of the music I was lugging around in 4 large, heavy, boxes of vinyl I'd have suggested you were nuts...
Precisely : organically evolved sentient lifeforms. I think you aren't thinking large enough; as a rather facile analogy, 40 years ago if you'd shown me a memory stick and told me that it contained all of the music I was lugging around in 4 large, heavy, boxes of vinyl I'd have suggested you were nuts...
A fair point about memory sticks : unimaginable advancement for sure. At the risk of taking that example too literally, it's still a fallible, disposable electronic device. However, AI is usually portrayed as the technological advancement that renders human useless.
I've been in IT for 29 years. Despite advances and automation, systems have always needed human intervention to keep the automation on track. AI is very different from an algorithm aping human skills. Maybe, maybe, maybe in some odd future. With my remaining years of employment, maybe my answer to the OP's question is no, my job is not at risk from A.I.
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