Racism

[anonymous-user]

silverfoxcc said:

sleepera6 said:

gus607 said:

"Excuse me do you have any curry"? How on earth can this be classed as racism ? This is PC going really mad.

Really?
Have we found the parent already?

Sleeper i am with you on that observation. Whilst i think PC has gone totally OTT for some people and they see offence given with any statement, not matter how innocuous, i consider that statement to be offensive.
Not knowing the origin of gus, Lets say he is Scottish, how would he like it if a group of oiks asked him if he had any porage (correct spelling,see the packets of Scotts Porage Oats) Haggis etc, or French snails/Frogs legs,Jewish bagels or lox or German sauerkraut, etc. It is the implied association that makes it racist.

Yes.
However, going up to say a Italian and saying "Ciao, have you got spaghetti?" or a Texan and saying "Howdy, any jerky?" isn't going to have the same effect as "curry" jokes as curry is seen as more of an integral part of Asian culture than spaghetti is to Italian, hence it may be seen as offensive. Just how saying the n word to an African is going to be seen as extremely offensive, Africans are proud of their skin colour.

[danllama]

CTO said:

Just had the misfortune to be sat next to a racist at the ballet with the OH.

Seemed a reasonable older chap, with wife in tow. The OH and I were making idle chit chat with them before curtains up after the interval. They were apparently ballet aficionados so I asked how this performance compared to the others they had seen...

"Well, its good, better than Matthew Bournes version"

So, I asked why, expecting it to be music, choreography etc...

"Well, they were gay weren't they, it was all men"

Me and the OH: bit nonplussed

"And they were black"

Me and the OH :waves: see you later.

Sad times OP. Thankfully its the wkers like this that are in the minority.

You've jumped to a conclusion there a bit, haven't you?

Since when is it racist to make observations?

They even said it was good, but not as good as the other one. Do you not think if they were racist homophobes they would have just left in disgust?

You should have at least questioned them a bit further. But no, better to walk away and have a cool 'racist' story to tell everybody.

Edited by danllama on Sunday 8th January 02:10

[anonymous-user]

danllama said:

CTO said:

Just had the misfortune to be sat next to a racist at the ballet with the OH.

Seemed a reasonable older chap, with wife in tow. The OH and I were making idle chit chat with them before curtains up after the interval. They were apparently ballet aficionados so I asked how this performance compared to the others they had seen...

"Well, its good, better than Matthew Bournes version"

So, I asked why, expecting it to be music, choreography etc...

"Well, they were gay weren't they, it was all men"

Me and the OH: bit nonplussed

"And they were black"

Me and the OH :waves: see you later.

Sad times OP. Thankfully its the wkers like this that are in the minority.

You've jumped to a conclusion there a bit, haven't you?

Since when is it racist to make observations?

They even said it was good, but not as good as the other one. Do you not think if they were racist homophobes they would have just left in disgust?

You should have at least questioned them a bit further. But no, better to walk away and have a cool 'racist' story to tell everybody.

Edited by danllama on Sunday 8th January 02:10

It is important to recognise that CTO stated that one of the other reasons the person didn't like it is because "they were black" and "they were gay"

[danllama]

sleepera6 said:

danllama said:

CTO said:

Just had the misfortune to be sat next to a racist at the ballet with the OH.

Seemed a reasonable older chap, with wife in tow. The OH and I were making idle chit chat with them before curtains up after the interval. They were apparently ballet aficionados so I asked how this performance compared to the others they had seen...

"Well, its good, better than Matthew Bournes version"

So, I asked why, expecting it to be music, choreography etc...

"Well, they were gay weren't they, it was all men"

Me and the OH: bit nonplussed

"And they were black"

Me and the OH :waves: see you later.

Sad times OP. Thankfully its the wkers like this that are in the minority.

You've jumped to a conclusion there a bit, haven't you?

Since when is it racist to make observations?

They even said it was good, but not as good as the other one. Do you not think if they were racist homophobes they would have just left in disgust?

You should have at least questioned them a bit further. But no, better to walk away and have a cool 'racist' story to tell everybody.

Edited by danllama on Sunday 8th January 02:10

It is important to recognise that CTO stated that one of the other reasons the person didn't like it is because "they were black" and "they were gay"

I believe I addressed that in my reply. And no, that's not what was actually said, according to CTO. Just because they preferred a mixed casting, doesn't make them racist homophobes. Which is why further questioning was needed.

I'd be a bit perplexed if many of my favourite films or shows were replaced or rereleased with an all female/mexican/transgender/vegetarian/cats cast.

Are preferences not allowed?

[ecsrobin]

danllama said:

sleepera6 said:

danllama said:

CTO said:

Just had the misfortune to be sat next to a racist at the ballet with the OH.

Seemed a reasonable older chap, with wife in tow. The OH and I were making idle chit chat with them before curtains up after the interval. They were apparently ballet aficionados so I asked how this performance compared to the others they had seen...

"Well, its good, better than Matthew Bournes version"

So, I asked why, expecting it to be music, choreography etc...

"Well, they were gay weren't they, it was all men"

Me and the OH: bit nonplussed

"And they were black"

Me and the OH :waves: see you later.

Sad times OP. Thankfully its the wkers like this that are in the minority.

You've jumped to a conclusion there a bit, haven't you?

Since when is it racist to make observations?

They even said it was good, but not as good as the other one. Do you not think if they were racist homophobes they would have just left in disgust?

You should have at least questioned them a bit further. But no, better to walk away and have a cool 'racist' story to tell everybody.

Edited by danllama on Sunday 8th January 02:10

It is important to recognise that CTO stated that one of the other reasons the person didn't like it is because "they were black" and "they were gay"

I believe I addressed that in my reply. And no, that's not what was actually said, according to CTO. Just because they preferred a mixed casting, doesn't make them racist homophobes. Which is why further questioning was needed.

I'd be a bit perplexed if many of my favourite films or shows were replaced or rereleased with an all female/mexican/transgender/vegetarian/cats cast.

Are preferences not allowed?

I hate the new ghostbusters being replaced by a female cast. I must be a sexist.

Also remember the older generation probably are less open to diversity, my grandad is now passed away now but he would never speak to an ethnic person, maybe because there weren't any around when he was growing up or maybe he thought he didn't speak their language? Who knows but I know it wasn't through racism just his upbringing. One day at Heathrow in later life we were plane spotting on the roof for a day out. I look around and he's sharing stories and binoculars with an ethnic chap and it made his day how nice this man was.

Same for gays remember when the older generation were growing up you could end up in jail for it. You can't just expect people to change their views overnight, in my short time on this planet I defientley feel like we accept the minorities far more than when we started out. Sadly you will get those that won't change but I'm happy they are a minority and you get them in all cultures.

[gus607]

sleepera6 said:

silverfoxcc said:

sleepera6 said:

gus607 said:

"Excuse me do you have any curry"? How on earth can this be classed as racism ? This is PC going really mad.

Really?
Have we found the parent already?

Sleeper i am with you on that observation. Whilst i think PC has gone totally OTT for some people and they see offence given with any statement, not matter how innocuous, i consider that statement to be offensive.
Not knowing the origin of gus, Lets say he is Scottish, how would he like it if a group of oiks asked him if he had any porage (correct spelling,see the packets of Scotts Porage Oats) Haggis etc, or French snails/Frogs legs,Jewish bagels or lox or German sauerkraut, etc. It is the implied association that makes it racist.

Yes.
However, going up to say a Italian and saying "Ciao, have you got spaghetti?" or a Texan and saying "Howdy, any jerky?" isn't going to have the same effect as "curry" jokes as curry is seen as more of an integral part of Asian culture than spaghetti is to Italian, hence it may be seen as offensive. Just how saying the n word to an African is going to be seen as extremely offensive, Africans are proud of their skin colour.

Fifty five years ago i was a victim of racism by many, school teacher's in particular as well as parents of school friends when their parents realised who I was prevented my continued friendship. It was difficult sometimes to walk down the street, leaving school & starting work was hard as well.

Was I black or foreign ? No, I am english born & white. My crime was that my mother a white widow had a black boyfriend, in those days completely taboo. So to say I am racist is laughable ! I've had plenty of racism years ago to last me a lifetime.

To be asked if you have any curry, racism ? Don't make me laugh. You don't know real racism.

Edited by gus607 on Sunday 8th January 08:21

[CTO]

danllama said:

You've jumped to a conclusion there a bit, haven't you?

Since when is it racist to make observations?

They even said it was good, but not as good as the other one. Do you not think if they were racist homophobes they would have just left in disgust?

You should have at least questioned them a bit further. But no, better to walk away and have a cool 'racist' story to tell everybody.

Edited by danllama on Sunday 8th January 02:10

Why on earth would I want a cool "racist" story to tell everybody?

[anonymous-user]

gus607 said:

Fifty five years ago i was a victim of racism by many, school teacher's in particular as well as parents of school friends when their parents realised who I was prevented my continued friendship. It was difficult sometimes to walk down the street, leaving school & starting work was hard as well.

Was I black or foreign ? No, I am english born & white. My crime was that my mother a white widow had a black boyfriend, in those days completely taboo. So to say I am racist is laughable ! I've had plenty of racism years ago to last me a lifetime.

To be asked if you have any curry, racism ? Don't make me laugh. You don't know real racism.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 8th January 08:21

Funnily enough I have some (second hand) empathy and sympathy for you. My Brother was in a similar situation and around the late 80's he went out with a black girl. He met her when working up here (here being Birmingham) He lived in Blackpool at the time. They shacked up together and encountered a lot of racism. Funny thing was that most of it came form either White women her age group (20's) or Black guys her age and a bit older (say 20s-30s)> The girls parents (50's0 were ok with it the girls brothers were either directly opposed or fine with it and a lot of the women he knew were not ok with it.
Funnily enough for a town called Blackpool at the time there were surprisingly few black people in it. It was as if Black and Asian people travelled as far as Preston and then stopped. They split up after around 18 months though he has still remained in contact with her. I encountered it myself with her on 2 occasions once at a big park there from a vile bh and secondly when we were all out.

[e21Mark]

swerni said:

sleepera6 said:

swerni said:

sleepera6 said:

e21Mark said:

Unfortunately an all too common scenario nowadays. I regularly have to drive kids who attend a school for children excluded from mainstream education. They, for the most part anyway, have little respect for anyone or anything. I spoke to one about his repeated use of the N word and it was like talking to a brick wall. He steadfastly refused to accept it was offensive and illegal. I then informed the school about his behaviour and all that happened was he was allocated another driver. The lack of discipline is a joke and the children constantly swear at the teachers. I have to hope that these kids are in the minority, or else despair at the lack of respect and good behaviour displayed by these kids. It's sad that such behaviour is learnt and a indicates the lack of parenting they have had in their lives.

The school disciplinary system is a joke. A family friend told of how a child was suspended 6 TIMES for bullying, drugs and still not expelled. Ridiculous.

It's not the schools fault, they are powerless these days.
Everyone appears to have the right to an education whether they want or deserve it.
If they get expelled (which does happen) they just get moved to another school.

Albeit one like e21mark drives for.

Mark has to drive them and I'm guess the school not the parents are paying because it's their right and the parents are too fking lazy and don't care enough to do it themselves.
I'm not sure why so many have children, they can't all be after a council house?

Sadly you're right, the not inconsiderable costs are met by the local authority. One example is a lad who is collected each morning from St Ives, driven to his school in Truro for 3 hours per day, before being driven home again. The weekly charge to the authority is £550. This is for one child to attend school for 15 hours per week! Being a rural area presents its own problems relating to transportation but I still don't see this as a good use of resources. The school itself spends more time on going bowling, water skiing and go karting than anything classroom based but I guess this is why these kids bother attending? I think school discipline is a horse that bolted long, long ago? Along with parental responsibility.

[DonkeyApple]

e21Mark said:

Sadly you're right, the not inconsiderable costs are met by the local authority. One example is a lad who is collected each morning from St Ives, driven to his school in Truro for 3 hours per day, before being driven home again. The weekly charge to the authority is £550. This is for one child to attend school for 15 hours per week! Being a rural area presents its own problems relating to transportation but I still don't see this as a good use of resources. The school itself spends more time on going bowling, water skiing and go karting than anything classroom based but I guess this is why these kids bother attending? I think school discipline is a horse that bolted long, long ago? Along with parental responsibility.

How do they teach all those remote living children in Australia?

Re your original post, ever considered just driving into a tree at speed one morning and sparing us all why also getting yourself a new car?

[DonkeyApple]

sleepera6 said:

Cleaning the car (which is to be sold today) with my young son when suddenly 4 kids turn up, in full JD Sports wardrobe and when I go inside for a second my son is racially abused by them, who can't be any older than 13 ("Excuse me have you got any curry"). My son goes inside and tells me, when I come out the chavs have crossed the road and ask ME the same line. I respond "Are you stupid?". The chavette responds "yeah" so I say "come and say that to my face" and at that point they leg it. Im fking fuming, what a stty world we live in for a young child to be racially abused and the "kids" have the cheek to talk back.

It's definitely a miserable event. But all our children have to meet the turds of society at some point and as parents we have to deal with that so they learn that unfortunately these things will always happen. I was a public schoolboy boarding a few miles away from Watford and you couldn't go anywhere without a bit of abuse being lobbed. Occasionally someone would actually get properly in your face about it.

No real consolation, in reality, but Watford is just about the least racist place I've been to in the U.K. It's a traditionally Liberal town where unemployment has always been a personal life option not an unfortunate situation. And it has a massive history of immigration and easy integration. The West Indians of the 50s, the Indians from east Africa in the 60s and from the Partition. The Jews in the 30s, the Italians in the 20s and on. The Cockneys during and after the war. Almost every industry in Watford has a cultural root or key history in immigration. Social mobility is easy and cultural divides are very weak. The only two groups that seem to have decided not to integrate are the usual rural Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities who just like all over the U.K. Pretty much self apartheid themselves like the Armish but using Toyotas and Mercs instead of horse and cart.

I still drive up the M1 to Watford when I need any work done or use Watford businesses for any work here as it is reliable and sociable. And it's always a mix of backgrounds.

So in short, what's happened to your son is crap but it's probably the most pathetic form of racism you'll find in the UK and does just sound like a group of kids gobbing off in the bravery of a little gang. If your son had been ginger or spotty he probably would have received an equivalent remark from them.

[e21Mark]

DonkeyApple said:

e21Mark said:

Sadly you're right, the not inconsiderable costs are met by the local authority. One example is a lad who is collected each morning from St Ives, driven to his school in Truro for 3 hours per day, before being driven home again. The weekly charge to the authority is £550. This is for one child to attend school for 15 hours per week! Being a rural area presents its own problems relating to transportation but I still don't see this as a good use of resources. The school itself spends more time on going bowling, water skiing and go karting than anything classroom based but I guess this is why these kids bother attending? I think school discipline is a horse that bolted long, long ago? Along with parental responsibility.

How do they teach all those remote living children in Australia?

Re your original post, ever considered just driving into a tree at speed one morning and sparing us all why also getting yourself a new car?

No idea to be honest. I hate to say ''when I was young'' however, when I was young my primary school was 4+ miles away and I walked to school. Eventually I was allowed to cycle (in fact I was the only kid to cycle to school as all but one lived on the surrounding army estate) which made life easier. I'm not sure I was ever driven to school. Nowadays though, it seems most kids have to go by car to avoid the herds of pedophiles that hunt along any route to schools.

I have tried to engage some of the worst behaved kids and asked them what they think their futures might hold, once they reach 16, but they're just not interested. One particular little st said it was up to his parent to support him. Either that, or he'll be famous. Asking him what he'd be famous for simply baffled him, although I imagine he'll be most likely infamous as an offender of some sort. All joking aside though, it's incredibly sad to see so many kids on such destructive paths to adulthood. Our prisons are already bursting at the seams and it appears there is a whole new generation in the system already. One of the main factors, as I see it anyway, is the amount of kids having kids, when they can't even be responsible for themselves.

[Centurion07]

sleepera6 said:

The school disciplinary system is a joke. A family friend told of how a child was suspended 6 TIMES for bullying, drugs and still not expelled. Ridiculous.

ISTR on another thread someone mentioned that schools are effectively "fined" if they expel pupils, hence why they're reluctant to do it.

[Hoofy]

swerni said:

Centurion07 said:

sleepera6 said:

The school disciplinary system is a joke. A family friend told of how a child was suspended 6 TIMES for bullying, drugs and still not expelled. Ridiculous.

ISTR on another thread someone mentioned that schools are effectively "fined" if they expel pupils, hence why they're reluctant to do it.

The children have to stay in the system. (entitled to an education innit)
it's like a game of swapsies, you lose your dross but in turn you get someone else's.
Net zero gain.

Mmm. Expelling only moves the problem on. Not sure what can be done in a modern liberal society where human rights are important.

[DonkeyApple]

Hoofy said:

swerni said:

Centurion07 said:

sleepera6 said:

The school disciplinary system is a joke. A family friend told of how a child was suspended 6 TIMES for bullying, drugs and still not expelled. Ridiculous.

ISTR on another thread someone mentioned that schools are effectively "fined" if they expel pupils, hence why they're reluctant to do it.

The children have to stay in the system. (entitled to an education innit)
it's like a game of swapsies, you lose your dross but in turn you get someone else's.
Net zero gain.

Mmm. Expelling only moves the problem on. Not sure what can be done in a modern liberal society where human rights are important.

You can never eradicate the issue. There will always be problem children but sticking the parents in stocks outside the school each time their child errs would at least bring them down to more manageable numbers and significantly reduce the detrimental effect on all the other children. A decade of absolutely battering feckless parents in public should have caused enough new parents to take their responsibilities seriously and prevented others from having children. We've completely lost a generation but investing in halting the rot and blocking it from extending into new generations is probably wise. People aren't cute, fluffy little animals so I doubt the usual loons would be massively up in arms, plus, you can permit them to take the battering on behalf of those they wish to protect to appease them also. Done.

[fido]

sleepera6 said:

I respond "Are you stupid?". The chavette responds "yeah" ...

Says it all really. I wouldn't have bothered the police to be honest - not sure what they could do. Hopefully it won't dent your son's confidence - growing up and dealing with idiots like this is part and parcel of life.

[gus607]

Kids in Australia living in remote areas are taught via HF radio.

My son in law is a white "Brummie" with a broad "Black Country" accent, he is six feet five inches tall & has bright ginger hair ! I have a field day when we meet up, all taken in good humour on all sides.

The OP needs to sit down & think what real racism is, NOT what he thinks it is.

[DonkeyApple]

gus607 said:

Kids in Australia living in remote areas are taught via HF radio.

Exactly. No need for problem children to go anywhere near a school and disrupt the potential of all the essential, future tax payers. And absolutely no need to spend any existing taxpayers money chauffeuring them about.

Can't behave in civilised society then educate them via internet/radio at their home and protect society's children from the detrimental impact of their disruption.

[anonymous-user]

gus607 said:

Kids in Australia living in remote areas are taught via HF radio.

My son in law is a white "Brummie" with a broad "Black Country" accent, he is six feet five inches tall & has bright ginger hair ! I have a field day when we meet up, all taken in good humour on all sides.

The OP needs to sit down & think what real racism is, NOT what he thinks it is.

Dear oh dear

[DonkeyApple]

gus607 said:

My son in law is a white "Brummie" with a broad "Black Country" accent, he is six feet five inches tall & has bright ginger hair ! I have a field day when we meet up, all taken in good humour on all sides.

The OP needs to sit down & think what real racism is, NOT what he thinks it is.

Slightly different though. Being ginger is a blessing. You can be the most horrific individual that's ever lived and all anyone will chastise you for is being a ginger tt. When someone has ginger hair, society appears to be completely unable to see past the hair to what is beyond.

Obviously, what triggers the gingerism in humans is the same as what triggers remarks about skin colour etc but it's really not comparable beyond that. Besides, everyone knows ginger people are all c*nts.