Business Smart attire for Interview

Business Smart attire for Interview

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K50 DEL

9,237 posts

229 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
K50 DEL said:
DonkeyApple said:
Gareth1974 said:
Not sure if this is true or not, I've heard that shirts with a pocket are frowned upon in the banking sector.
Used to be. They would get ripped off if someone entered the floor wearing one who wasn't back office.

Belts weren't accepted either.

The world has evolved but a shirt pocket is still something that delineates front and back office.
OK, now I'm intrigued, why is this?
Belts and shirt pockets were traditionally deemed back office attire. Belts because it meant your trousers didn't fit so had been procured of the peg or borrowed from someone and shirt pockets because you carried your pen in your jacket and wore cufflinks.

The belt thing has probably died out more quickly due to arrival of the American and European banker but shirt pockets would still get an odd look in many environments. Although, I'd be surprised if people were still ripping them off on trading floors.
Interesting, thanks.
I'm assuming short-sleeve shirts are another no-no?

DonkeyApple

55,378 posts

170 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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K50 DEL said:
Interesting, thanks.
I'm assuming short-sleeve shirts are another no-no?
It just depends on the role. If it's back office or front, the type of operation or even the department in the back office.

Generally speaking, for front office the more classic and under stated the better. Blinging up with man bangles like you're Bobby George or spiv knotting your tie like you failed your degree and are more suited to selling houses doesn't make much sense. And the exact same attire would be perfect if any back office interview.

If I think back it's only been the post room that I recall wearing short delivered shirts or the few IT people who don't still live at home so don't have mother to iron a grown up shirt. wink

Ultimately, not a lot is going to beat a plain white shirt, dark suit, clean leather work shoes, a tie knotted by a sane person and then standing and sitting up straight and looking interested.

K50 DEL

9,237 posts

229 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
K50 DEL said:
Interesting, thanks.
I'm assuming short-sleeve shirts are another no-no?
It just depends on the role. If it's back office or front, the type of operation or even the department in the back office.

Generally speaking, for front office the more classic and under stated the better. Blinging up with man bangles like you're Bobby George or spiv knotting your tie like you failed your degree and are more suited to selling houses doesn't make much sense. And the exact same attire would be perfect if any back office interview.

If I think back it's only been the post room that I recall wearing short delivered shirts or the few IT people who don't still live at home so don't have mother to iron a grown up shirt. wink

Ultimately, not a lot is going to beat a plain white shirt, dark suit, clean leather work shoes, a tie knotted by a sane person and then standing and sitting up straight and looking interested.
That's me conforming to stereotype then....
I work in IT and only ever wear short sleeves - nothing to do with ironing though, just that I find I'm too hot if I wear long sleeves and I prefer to be comfortable whilst I work.
Would always turn up to interview dressed as per your description though!

Robbo 27

3,648 posts

100 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Greshamst said:
Borrow a watch from a friend? You sound like a dinosaur.
Probably I am. But I have interviewed many people for City jobs and every detail was noted. The point about the watch was something that was inappropriate for the position. If he didnt have a good watch then no watch may be better.



DonkeyApple

55,378 posts

170 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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K50 DEL said:
That's me conforming to stereotype then....
I work in IT and only ever wear short sleeves - nothing to do with ironing though, just that I find I'm too hot if I wear long sleeves and I prefer to be comfortable whilst I work.
Would always turn up to interview dressed as per your description though!
That's the key, really. Once you've got the job and through probation etc then adjusting your attire to be more what you prefer would make sense.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

138 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
MarshPhantom said:
DonkeyApple said:
MarshPhantom said:
Pommygranite said:
About right but brown shoes with a black belt?

Your tie knot doesn't matter.

Just be neat and tidy (have suit dry cleaned) and and ensure your tie is all the way to the top and tight, shirt well ironed, shoes clean and neat, no comedy socks or tie, trousers the right length (not hanging 2 inches above your shoes), clean nails and hair and trim up the nose and eat hair.
Windsor looks good though.
Absolutely not. It's a spiv salesman's horror from Essex.
Not really a problem as I don't work as a life insurance salesman.
Just like looking like one.
I vary, very rarely wear a suit.

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

124 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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I interviewed a bloke who was wearing a "sex o meter" themed tie.

it had a clock face, split into segments- with a swinging gold pointer on it.

the segments read things like "ready baby" "no way" "I'm hot" and so on.


didn't employ him !


also interviewed a lady who asked, "how much sick can I take off each year". I replied that I think you should probably get the job first before you plan your sickness.

Foliage

3,861 posts

123 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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VP role

2/3 piece made to measure or made to fit suit, white pocket-less long sleeve shirt with white undershirt, pocket square, tie, black leather sole shoes and leather belt, a4/a5 leather bound note book, appropriate brand of pen, appropriate swiss watch (dress or diver).


DonkeyApple

55,378 posts

170 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Foliage said:
VP role

2/3 piece made to measure or made to fit suit, white pocket-less long sleeve shirt with white undershirt, pocket square, tie, black leather sole shoes and leather belt, a4/a5 leather bound note book, appropriate brand of pen, appropriate swiss watch (dress or diver).
VP of what waitering? wink

If a suit is fitted or made to measure then it doesn't need a belt!

Why wear an undershirt? That's just a bit 'dressed by mother'?

And a watch allows for too much visual judgement so definitely avoided.

Gareth1974

3,418 posts

140 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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I remember reading this article about graduates from 'non-privileged' backgrounds missing out on banking jobs due to subtleties such as wearing brown shoes or the wrong tie at an interview.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/01/to...

bigandclever

13,792 posts

239 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Gareth1974 said:
I remember reading this article about graduates from 'non-privileged' backgrounds missing out on banking jobs due to subtleties such as wearing brown shoes or the wrong tie at an interview.
At the other end, I've worked at places where if a candidate wore a suit to an interview they were down-marked for 'not understanding the ethos of the company'. They were bellends as well smile

David A

3,606 posts

252 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
MarshPhantom said:
Pommygranite said:
About right but brown shoes with a black belt?

Your tie knot doesn't matter.

Just be neat and tidy (have suit dry cleaned) and and ensure your tie is all the way to the top and tight, shirt well ironed, shoes clean and neat, no comedy socks or tie, trousers the right length (not hanging 2 inches above your shoes), clean nails and hair and trim up the nose and eat hair.
Windsor looks good though.
Absolutely not. It's a spiv salesman's horror from Essex.
Really? Could they even tie one as opposed to a basic four in hand or footballer in court giant knot ? Intrigued why you say that.

Monkeylegend

26,425 posts

232 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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What has happened to common sense nowadays.

Look in the mirror in your interview get up and ask yourself one simple question, "Would I employ me?"

I was self employed for the last 20 years of my working life hehe



battered

4,088 posts

148 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Gareth1974 said:
Not sure if this is true or not, I've heard that shirts with a pocket are frowned upon in the banking sector.
Used to be. They would get ripped off if someone entered the floor wearing one who wasn't back office.
By a man who's about to get a bloody nose and his own shirt ripped off his back, I imagine.

Cotty

39,564 posts

285 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Pommygranite said:
trousers the right length (not hanging 2 inches above your shoes)
I don't understand how anyone can think that is a good look.

Johnniem

2,674 posts

224 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Robbo 27 said:
Greshamst said:
Borrow a watch from a friend? You sound like a dinosaur.
Probably I am. But I have interviewed many people for City jobs and every detail was noted. The point about the watch was something that was inappropriate for the position. If he didnt have a good watch then no watch may be better.
Maybe I'm missing your point here (and I apologise if I am, it wouldn't be the first time!), are you really saying that the watch you are wearing should make, or actually makes, a difference in any job? Other than jobs in some watch manufacturers obv (and even then it would be a bit tenuous as a reason for dismissing a candidate!). That seems incredibly shallow if you ask me. If I have not misinterpreted you then I would beg the question, 'in what circumstances would this be the case?'.

JM

essayer

9,079 posts

195 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Ripping off a shirt pocket, seriously? I'd imagine if you tried that any financial firm I've worked at you'd be carrying your possessions in a cardboard box out the door an hour later.

'But this set of desks is a front office team!!! he wasn't even wearing cufflinks!'


EggsBenedict

1,770 posts

175 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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HannsG said:
VP role in the finance transformation space.
Banking?

Your effort sounds fine. I'd just make sure everything that should be shiny, is (shoes) and things that shouldn't be is not (suit) and everything else is clean and pressed well - but you already knew that.

I'd worry much more about what you're going to say. Sure, the first thing they're going to see is you, but it's only a split second before you open your mouth!

There is some rubbish in this thread about shirt pockets, watches and stuff - god, get a grip. I hope I'm never interviewed by anyone who gives a toss about this crap enough that they'd not give me a job over someone who had the right accoutrements but didn't interview as well.


Edited by EggsBenedict on Monday 23 January 16:25

DoubleSix

11,715 posts

177 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Gareth1974 said:
Not sure if this is true or not, I've heard that shirts with a pocket are frowned upon in the banking sector.
Used to be. They would get ripped off if someone entered the floor wearing one who wasn't back office.

Belts weren't accepted either.

The world has evolved but a shirt pocket is still something that delineates front and back office.
laugh

I remember being warned of that when I first hit the trading floor 14 years ago.

You're right about the Windsor too, best left to Estate Agents etc



Edited by DoubleSix on Monday 23 January 16:40

tomtom

4,225 posts

231 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Short sleeved shirts? Belts?

Honestly. I bet some of you wear brown shoes too.