Does anyone here wear fur.

[Tango13]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Yes, and no.
A distinction that I would be disinclined to worry overly much about, but one that would reasonably answer some people's ethical concerns.

A very common hunter's injunction; if you shoot it, you eat it.
Which would lead me to a humorous story of a squirrel (for whom it was not humorous) and friend's hunting trip with his father.

Surprisingly tasty I was told.

The bit in bold is why I have no interest in hunting, the animals I enjoy eating aren't exactly the sort of animals you'd hunt.

Imagine getting all ghillied up to spend all day carefully tracking, keeping upwind of and dispatching with a single well aimed shot...















A chicken!

I can't imagine Messers Holland & Holland would be that impressed if you were to use one of their fine Royal Deluxe double rifles to bag a cow either

[DonkeyApple]

Tango13 said:

The bit in bold is why I have no interest in hunting, the animals I enjoy eating aren't exactly the sort of animals you'd hunt.

Imagine getting all ghillied up to spend all day carefully tracking, keeping upwind of and dispatching with a single well aimed shot...















A chicken!

I can't imagine Messers Holland & Holland would be that impressed if you were to use one of their fine Royal Deluxe double rifles to bag a cow either

I've shot squirrels with Royals. Contrary to the post above, I thought they tasted awful, plus they were riddled with lead.

[Fas1975]

Bunfighter said:

RedWhiteMonkey said:

Fas1975 said:

I have a canada goose jacket, fur lined hood is Coyote. I don't have any ethical issues with it.

Do you actually manage to wear it in the UK? I looked at them but them seemed too warm for anywhere less than Artic Circle or above.

There are many selective activists out there.

Agree, for 99% of the time it's just too warm here for real fur. I had a fur hat. It literally boiled my head in minus temps here.

Never worn it in the UK, but spend time in Canada and Sweden with work at various times of the year including winter, so it comes into its own

[BigMon]

Don said:

Personally I have no problem with animals being bred for their fur. So long as the rest of their carcass isn't wasted and their welfare is to a high quality. It's more important how good a LIFE they were having: which is the same argument as always trying to buy free-range, slow-grown chickens, rather than caged/barn birds.

Killing animals because you want to use them is fine. Mistreating them so they have a miserable life is most definitely NOT.

Yes, they are all very good points. I suppose I was thinking more about animals being treated inhumanely.

[DonkeyApple]

BigMon said:

Yes, they are all very good points. I suppose I was thinking more about animals being treated inhumanely.

I think most people are of the view that if it's not an endangered animal and if they are treated well and the rest of the body used then there is no problem with fur.

The core issue with fur is that it is attached to animals with big baby eyes so the mentally weak and disturbed confuse them with children. They don't give a fk about chicken feathers because chickens are fk ugly.

[Goaty Bill 2]

Tango13 said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Yes, and no.
A distinction that I would be disinclined to worry overly much about, but one that would reasonably answer some people's ethical concerns.

A very common hunter's injunction; if you shoot it, you eat it.
Which would lead me to a humorous story of a squirrel (for whom it was not humorous) and friend's hunting trip with his father.

Surprisingly tasty I was told.

The bit in bold is why I have no interest in hunting, the animals I enjoy eating aren't exactly the sort of animals you'd hunt.

Imagine getting all ghillied up to spend all day carefully tracking, keeping upwind of and dispatching with a single well aimed shot...




A chicken!

I can't imagine Messers Holland & Holland would be that impressed if you were to use one of their fine Royal Deluxe double rifles to bag a cow either

Goose, Mallard Duck, Pheasant, Grouse/Partridge, Quail, Deer, Elk, Moose, Bear, Rabbit, Wild Pig.
Of course even in the wildest of countries a licence or 'tag' to shoot many on that list will be tightly controlled.
All quite palatable, though I would recommend against wild duck and goose from coastal regions as they tend to have quite a strong 'fishy' smell when cooking.
I freely admit that I haven't personally shot or even hunted most of the animals on that list.

Holland & Holland in Mayfair do have a lovely shop. The gun room is quite an Aladdin's cave.
I quite miss the old Hardy and Farlows shops from down that way.

[Goaty Bill 2]

DonkeyApple said:

BigMon said:

Yes, they are all very good points. I suppose I was thinking more about animals being treated inhumanely.

I think most people are of the view that if it's not an endangered animal and if they are treated well and the rest of the body used then there is no problem with fur.

The core issue with fur is that it is attached to animals with big baby eyes so the mentally weak and disturbed confuse them with children. They don't give a fk about chicken feathers because chickens are fk ugly.

Indeed, and while I thought it might be next after the ban on fox hunting, fishing seems to have been left quite alone.
Cold slimy things don't seem to elicit much love from the more militant of 'that sort' either.

[N-TY4C]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

DonkeyApple said:

BigMon said:

Yes, they are all very good points. I suppose I was thinking more about animals being treated inhumanely.

I think most people are of the view that if it's not an endangered animal and if they are treated well and the rest of the body used then there is no problem with fur.

The core issue with fur is that it is attached to animals with big baby eyes so the mentally weak and disturbed confuse them with children. They don't give a fk about chicken feathers because chickens are fk ugly.

Indeed, and while I thought it might be next after the ban on fox hunting, fishing seems to have been left quite alone.
Cold slimy things don't seem to elicit much love from the more militant of 'that sort' either.

What about cows? Cows have long lashes and pretty eyes but no one cares about them!

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

I watched a video a few years ago of pets (dogs and cats) being skinned alive (China perhaps?) - that kind of left a nasty sickening image in my mind that I find hard to forget.
People like to say they wear fur just because of the reaction they get, and they know most normal people find the subject rather abhorrent (but are probably too polite to say what they really think). All rather pathetic really...but if it makes them happy that's all that matters to them.

If the skin is a byproduct then fine (if looking like something from the 70's is your thing).

[Hoofy]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

I watched a video a few years ago of pets (dogs and cats) being skinned alive (China perhaps?) - that kind of left a nasty sickening image in my mind that I find hard to forget.
People like to say they wear fur just because of the reaction they get, and they know most normal people find the subject rather abhorrent (but are probably too polite to say what they really think). All rather pathetic really...but if it makes them happy that's all that matters to them.

If the skin is a byproduct then fine (if looking like something from the 70's is your thing).

Indeed. I don't mind if they're executed first (and not an endangered species).

I love crocodile skin stuff (mainly watch straps, I'm not into the 70s look either) but I'm not going to buy any more after seeing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tyYcINIyTs Why the fk they can't chop his head off first, I don't know.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Hoofy said:

Indeed. I don't mind if they're executed first (and not an endangered species).

I love crocodile skin stuff (mainly watch straps, I'm not into the 70s look either) but I'm not going to buy any more after seeing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tyYcINIyTs Why the fk they can't chop his head off first, I don't know.

Well, hopefully anyone with any common, or fashion sense will realise by now that exotic skins and fur don't come from a heavily regulated European farm, they will come from a horrendous hell hole somewhere in the East where the animal suffered a painful and horrific death.

[DonkeyApple]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

Well, hopefully anyone with any common, or fashion sense will realise by now that exotic skins and fur don't come from a heavily regulated European farm, they will come from a horrendous hell hole somewhere in the East where the animal suffered a painful and horrific death.

It's why it's better to use fur from pets. You know the animal will have been loved and looked after. Plus, you can probably bottle and sell the child's tears as some form of boner medicine in China and double your profit.

[Hoofy]

DonkeyApple said:

It's why it's better to use fur from pets. You know the animal will have been loved and looked after. Plus, you can probably bottle and sell the child's tears as some form of boner medicine in China and double your profit.

[can't remember]

DonkeyApple said:

It's why it's better to use fur from pets. You know the animal will have been loved and looked after. Plus, you can probably bottle and sell the child's tears as some form of boner medicine in China and double your profit.

Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

[InductionRoar]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

Hoofy said:

Indeed. I don't mind if they're executed first (and not an endangered species).

I love crocodile skin stuff (mainly watch straps, I'm not into the 70s look either) but I'm not going to buy any more after seeing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tyYcINIyTs Why the fk they can't chop his head off first, I don't know.

Well, hopefully anyone with any common, or fashion sense will realise by now that exotic skins and fur don't come from a heavily regulated European farm, they will come from a horrendous hell hole somewhere in the East where the animal suffered a painful and horrific death.

I spent a lot of time deliberating over the ethics of the rabbit fur in my gloves and to be honest rightly or wrongly I decided that the animal was more likely killed humanely as a by product of the meat trade as they are hardly exotic (no CITES certificate required) and I put it in the same category as sheepskin, leather etc. Obviously, I could be well off the mark and there may well be an Asian rabbit farm run by Hermes barbarians staff but I doubt it for the associated cost and well, frankly a rabbit fur is a rabbit fur so some of the "reasons" for the mistreatment of reptiles and crocodiles do not apply.

Conversely, I wanted a crocodile skin wallet a while back and thankfully (I say thankfully, bear with me) stumbled upon that video before doing so. I was previously unaware of the abhorrent ways in which the creatures are bred and killed so I can understand naïve people like I was buying them but I really struggle to get into the minds of the people who know it goes on and still buy it.

Though there was a bull fighting thread on here a while back and we had PHers defending that so I suppose it takes all sorts.

Frankly I doubt whether all the meat that has ever crossed my plate has been humanely treated so I am certainly not sitting in my ivory tower on the topic but I would never knowingly buy any product where I "knew" the animal had suffered unnecessarily.

[anonymous-user]

I have a fur ushanka hat, that was given to me by a Russian colleague, not sure what critter it is made from, maybe fox, I have only wore it twice as its never cold enough to need it. Needs to be at least -20 to make it worthwhile.

[Goaty Bill 2]

DonkeyApple said:

It's why it's better to use fur from pets. You know the animal will have been loved and looked after. Plus, you can probably bottle and sell the child's tears as some form of boner medicine in China and double your profit.

FFS

[Don]

DonkeyApple said:

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

Well, hopefully anyone with any common, or fashion sense will realise by now that exotic skins and fur don't come from a heavily regulated European farm, they will come from a horrendous hell hole somewhere in the East where the animal suffered a painful and horrific death.

It's why it's better to use fur from pets. You know the animal will have been loved and looked after. Plus, you can probably bottle and sell the child's tears as some form of boner medicine in China and double your profit.

Well obviously ..

[Monkeylegend]

Don said:

DonkeyApple said:

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

Well, hopefully anyone with any common, or fashion sense will realise by now that exotic skins and fur don't come from a heavily regulated European farm, they will come from a horrendous hell hole somewhere in the East where the animal suffered a painful and horrific death.

It's why it's better to use fur from pets. You know the animal will have been loved and looked after. Plus, you can probably bottle and sell the child's tears as some form of boner medicine in China and double your profit.

Well obviously ..

My cat was sitting beside me on the settee while I was reading this earlier on. She went outside about an hour ago, haven't seen her since.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

can't remember said:

Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

Not really - unless you're a bit special?