Does anyone here wear fur.

[Goaty Bill 2]

pork911 said:

Troubleatmill said:

Is the animal bred to be mainstream food? If YES - skin is fine on shoes, jackets, jumpers etc

Is the animal bred to be a bit of clothing - and food bits go to waste.. Not good.

A meaningless distinction.

Yes, and no.
A distinction that I would be disinclined to worry overly much about, but one that would reasonably answer some people's ethical concerns.

A very common hunter's injunction; if you shoot it, you eat it.
Which would lead me to a humorous story of a squirrel (for whom it was not humorous) and friend's hunting trip with his father.

Surprisingly tasty I was told.

[N-TY4C]

condor said:

I bought a full length fur coat over 35 years ago and wear it occasionally in the winter months.

Show us your fur then. It sounds grand. I bet it is better quality than anything available to buy now.

[Rawwr]

davhill said:

Fas1975 said:

I have a canada goose jacket, fur lined hood is Coyote. I don't have any ethical issues with it.

Does the goose part go 'meep meep' on principle?

The goose goes HOOOORNK! HOOOOOOORNK!

Interestingly, only one of Canada Goose's parkas actually contains goose down (the Snow Mantra). The rest are all duck down.

[condor]

N-TY4C said:

Show us your fur then. It sounds grand. I bet it is better quality than anything available to buy now.

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[bunnyman]

Reminds me of a good gag -
Prince Charles arrives at Middlesbrough Airport in the middle of July greeted by the the Mayor and local dignitaries. Its the middle of July and the hottest day of the year but he is wearing his trademark white suit but with a very bulky hat made of fur. He is sweating profusely but everyone is too afraid to ask him why he is so inappropriately dressed.
The Mayor can resist no longer and asks him 'Sir, do you mind me asking why you are wearing that uncomfortable hat on the hottest day of the year?'
Charles replies, 'Well mamma asked me what I was doing today and I told her I was going to Middlesbrough to open a new factory. She replied - Middlesbrough! Wear the fox hat!'

[Don]

The human race has a long history of using all the resources at its disposal.

I don't have a problem with any of that: Fur, leather, down pillows, deerskin rugs, sheepskin jackets, wool jumpers. No problem.

I don't like wasteful loss of life. If you aren't going to use it, preferably completely, or unless it's damaging humans then don't kill it.

Opinions vary on this, usually by life form. I try not to distinguish.

[Fastchas]

Can't help thinking of Mr Burns...

[bighop]

Middlesbrough doesn't have an airport.

[TooLateForAName]

bighop said:

Middlesbrough doesn't have an airport.

You could argue that Teesside airport is effectively boro.

[DonkeyApple]

bighop said:

Middlesbrough doesn't have an airport.

Where do the parrots land then?

[N-TY4C]

condor said:

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Wow! Is that you in the pic? I would not wear mine while plucking what looks like pheasant. Did you shoot that yourself?

[condor]

Yes, tis I plucking a pheasant that was given, so not shot by me. The pic was taken to illustrate the 'pheasant plucker' song, and not usually what I would wear to pluck pheasants in.
It might look like a hot summers day but it was a sunny, cold winters day.

[BigMon]

As with others on this thread. If the fur is a by-product of an animal being sent to slaughter, or being killed by hunting or something similar then I don't have a problem with that.

But I would never wear fur from anything that had been bred on a fur farm and I find it astonishing that anyone can honestly not see any problem with that. Breeding animals just to slaughter them for vanity purposes is abhorrent in the extreme.

[Bunfighter]

RedWhiteMonkey said:

Fas1975 said:

I have a canada goose jacket, fur lined hood is Coyote. I don't have any ethical issues with it.

Do you actually manage to wear it in the UK? I looked at them but them seemed too warm for anywhere less than Artic Circle or above.

There are many selective activists out there.

Agree, for 99% of the time it's just too warm here for real fur. I had a fur hat. It literally boiled my head in minus temps here.

[DoctorX]

I have CG jacket and it doesn't make me overheat. If your coat's too warm you can do something about it (unzip). If your coat isn't keeping you warm while you're out, there's not much you can do. Mine has coyote fur. I zipped it off. Makes a nice draught excluder.

[N-TY4C]

My fur seems insignificant now compared to Condor's. Can anyone else show us their fur?

[Don]

BigMon said:

As with others on this thread. If the fur is a by-product of an animal being sent to slaughter, or being killed by hunting or something similar then I don't have a problem with that.

But I would never wear fur from anything that had been bred on a fur farm and I find it astonishing that anyone can honestly not see any problem with that. Breeding animals just to slaughter them for vanity purposes is abhorrent in the extreme.

Personally I have no problem with animals being bred for their fur. So long as the rest of their carcass isn't wasted and their welfare is to a high quality. It's more important how good a LIFE they were having: which is the same argument as always trying to buy free-range, slow-grown chickens, rather than caged/barn birds.

Killing animals because you want to use them is fine. Mistreating them so they have a miserable life is most definitely NOT.

[N-TY4C]

Don said:

BigMon said:

As with others on this thread. If the fur is a by-product of an animal being sent to slaughter, or being killed by hunting or something similar then I don't have a problem with that.

But I would never wear fur from anything that had been bred on a fur farm and I find it astonishing that anyone can honestly not see any problem with that. Breeding animals just to slaughter them for vanity purposes is abhorrent in the extreme.

Personally I have no problem with animals being bred for their fur. So long as the rest of their carcass isn't wasted and their welfare is to a high quality. It's more important how good a LIFE they were having: which is the same argument as always trying to buy free-range, slow-grown chickens, rather than caged/barn birds.

Killing animals because you want to use them is fine. Mistreating them so they have a miserable life is most definitely NOT.

Does it show in the quality of fur how the animal was treated then?

[DonkeyApple]

Exactly. And kebab vans and pet food factories rely on the meat.

[Don]

N-TY4C said:

Don said:

BigMon said:

As with others on this thread. If the fur is a by-product of an animal being sent to slaughter, or being killed by hunting or something similar then I don't have a problem with that.

But I would never wear fur from anything that had been bred on a fur farm and I find it astonishing that anyone can honestly not see any problem with that. Breeding animals just to slaughter them for vanity purposes is abhorrent in the extreme.

Personally I have no problem with animals being bred for their fur. So long as the rest of their carcass isn't wasted and their welfare is to a high quality. It's more important how good a LIFE they were having: which is the same argument as always trying to buy free-range, slow-grown chickens, rather than caged/barn birds.

Killing animals because you want to use them is fine. Mistreating them so they have a miserable life is most definitely NOT.

Does it show in the quality of fur how the animal was treated then?

I imagine it would but not being a farmer or a purchaser of fur coats, I really don't know. it surely shows up in the taste of free-range, slow-grown chicken, though. Amazingly chickeny in comparison. (IMO - YMMV)