How do people become so brainwashed?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

ATG said:

I couldn't agree more.

both groups mistakenly see inherent conflict between religion and science when there is none.

Most scientists must see a conflict. Figures I heard quoted on the radio a while back said that 75% of American scientists were atheists, compared to 6% of the general US population. For the opposite effect, only 0.6% of the US prison population are atheists.

[Auchnagiggle]

Atheists and agnostics total about 20% of the population in the USA and even that might well be under recorded because there's such a stigma to admitting being an atheist there.

[Goaty Bill 2]

Auchnagiggle said:

Atheists and agnostics total about 20% of the population in the USA and even that might well be under recorded because there's such a stigma to admitting being an atheist there.

Only if you want to be president.

[VGTICE]

DoubleTime said:

You think that's brainwashing?

Oh my fking GOSH, trust me, this ones a stinkah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQdIiEUFtqk

No this one's stulum.

[David87]

I think God told that chap to do it a bit wrong. The end result was okay, but I'd have made the right hand shorter rather than the left one longer - no-one wants a girl with giant man hands. Perhaps I should be God?

[Skyrat]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Rawwr said:

I suspect if it was an international law that people couldn't choose a religion or belief system until they were 18 and deemed mentally competent to do so, all religion would probably die out in a few generations.

Anything you say comrade Stalin.

Dagnir said:

...but if they weren't ever introduced to Religion as a concept, would it naturally take that form?

I suspect not and certainly not now, in this age of scientific understanding.

To quote one Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion: "There are no Catholic* children, only children of Catholic parents".

(*insert religion)

[Goaty Bill 2]

Skyrat said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Rawwr said:

I suspect if it was an international law that people couldn't choose a religion or belief system until they were 18 and deemed mentally competent to do so, all religion would probably die out in a few generations.

Anything you say comrade Stalin.

Dagnir said:

...but if they weren't ever introduced to Religion as a concept, would it naturally take that form?

I suspect not and certainly not now, in this age of scientific understanding.

To quote one Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion: "There are no Catholic* children, only children of Catholic parents".

(*insert religion)

Hence my reference to comrade Stalin.
Stalin outlawed the teaching of any religion to children under the age of 18; his specific target being the Russian Orthodox church.
But children were taught atheism in school, and to be anti-theist, even to snoop and report on people they thought to be religious, including their own families.

Surely no one would, as a matter of general principal, wish the state to become responsible for teaching their children their moral codes, to the exclusion of anything the parents may believe?
That is just too Orwellian to imagine...

[p1stonhead]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Skyrat said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Rawwr said:

I suspect if it was an international law that people couldn't choose a religion or belief system until they were 18 and deemed mentally competent to do so, all religion would probably die out in a few generations.

Anything you say comrade Stalin.

Dagnir said:

...but if they weren't ever introduced to Religion as a concept, would it naturally take that form?

I suspect not and certainly not now, in this age of scientific understanding.

To quote one Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion: "There are no Catholic* children, only children of Catholic parents".

(*insert religion)

Hence my reference to comrade Stalin.
Stalin outlawed the teaching of any religion to children under the age of 18; his specific target being the Russian Orthodox church.
But children were taught atheism in school, and to be anti-theist, even to snoop and report on people they thought to be religious, including their own families.

Surely no one would, as a matter of general principal, wish the state to become responsible for teaching their children their moral codes, to the exclusion of anything the parents may believe?
That is just too Orwellian to imagine...

Depends if the parents are teaching morals based on the nonsense of burning forever in hell if they don't follow them. I doubt many secular moral codes would be so brazen if taught in a school.

[Goaty Bill 2]

p1stonhead said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Skyrat said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Rawwr said:

I suspect if it was an international law that people couldn't choose a religion or belief system until they were 18 and deemed mentally competent to do so, all religion would probably die out in a few generations.

Anything you say comrade Stalin.

Dagnir said:

...but if they weren't ever introduced to Religion as a concept, would it naturally take that form?

I suspect not and certainly not now, in this age of scientific understanding.

To quote one Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion: "There are no Catholic* children, only children of Catholic parents".

(*insert religion)

Hence my reference to comrade Stalin.
Stalin outlawed the teaching of any religion to children under the age of 18; his specific target being the Russian Orthodox church.
But children were taught atheism in school, and to be anti-theist, even to snoop and report on people they thought to be religious, including their own families.

Surely no one would, as a matter of general principal, wish the state to become responsible for teaching their children their moral codes, to the exclusion of anything the parents may believe?
That is just too Orwellian to imagine...

Depends if the parents are teaching morals based on the nonsense of burning forever in hell if they don't follow them. I doubt many secular moral codes would be so brazen if taught in a school.

You and I seem to be on a slightly differing wave lengths

I'll let you in on a secret, yes I was raised in a Christian family. As it happens both of my grandfathers were CoE ministers, as was an uncle (married to my father's sister).

All those preachers around, Sunday school as a child, and weekly services throughout my youth; and I was never once told that I would burn in Hell for my sins.
You find that remarkable? Because I don't.

But to be clear; you have just agreed that the state can teach your children their moral code, and that you will stay out of it, on pain of fines or incarceration?
One rule for all surely?
No? I didn't think so.

[p1stonhead]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

p1stonhead said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Skyrat said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Rawwr said:

I suspect if it was an international law that people couldn't choose a religion or belief system until they were 18 and deemed mentally competent to do so, all religion would probably die out in a few generations.

Anything you say comrade Stalin.

Dagnir said:

...but if they weren't ever introduced to Religion as a concept, would it naturally take that form?

I suspect not and certainly not now, in this age of scientific understanding.

To quote one Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion: "There are no Catholic* children, only children of Catholic parents".

(*insert religion)

Hence my reference to comrade Stalin.
Stalin outlawed the teaching of any religion to children under the age of 18; his specific target being the Russian Orthodox church.
But children were taught atheism in school, and to be anti-theist, even to snoop and report on people they thought to be religious, including their own families.

Surely no one would, as a matter of general principal, wish the state to become responsible for teaching their children their moral codes, to the exclusion of anything the parents may believe?
That is just too Orwellian to imagine...

Depends if the parents are teaching morals based on the nonsense of burning forever in hell if they don't follow them. I doubt many secular moral codes would be so brazen if taught in a school.

You and I seem to be on a slightly differing wave lengths

I'll let you in on a secret, yes I was raised in a Christian family. As it happens both of my grandfathers were CoE ministers, as was an uncle (married to my father's sister).

All those preachers around, Sunday school as a child, and weekly services throughout my youth; and I was never once told that I would burn in Hell for my sins.
You find that remarkable? Because I don't.

But to be clear; you have just agreed that the state can teach your children their moral code, and that you will stay out of it, on pain of fines or incarceration?
One rule for all surely?
No? I didn't think so.

Schools DO teach kids morals and right and wrong. They don't have a monopoly on it. Parents also should.

But teaching kids lies from an early age is wrong which is what some parents do.

As someone said before - there are no religious children, just children of religious parents.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Hence my reference to comrade Stalin.
Stalin outlawed the teaching of any religion to children under the age of 18; his specific target being the Russian Orthodox church.
But children were taught atheism in school, and to be anti-theist, even to snoop and report on people they thought to be religious, including their own families.

Surely no one would, as a matter of general principal, wish the state to become responsible for teaching their children their moral codes, to the exclusion of anything the parents may believe?
That is just too Orwellian to imagine...

Stalin was brought up in a very religious household, and as a child was being prepared for the priesthood. Which is probably what fked him up in the first place.

[Goaty Bill 2]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Hence my reference to comrade Stalin.
Stalin outlawed the teaching of any religion to children under the age of 18; his specific target being the Russian Orthodox church.
But children were taught atheism in school, and to be anti-theist, even to snoop and report on people they thought to be religious, including their own families.

Surely no one would, as a matter of general principal, wish the state to become responsible for teaching their children their moral codes, to the exclusion of anything the parents may believe?
That is just too Orwellian to imagine...

Stalin was brought up in a very religious household, and as a child was being prepared for the priesthood. Which is probably what fked him up in the first place.

Easy, blame religion, not the drunken abusive father that history records.

What fked him up was believing (maybe) in Marxism. The politics of envy.
But hey, if you think he would have been a nice guy if he hadn't been to church, you carry on.
I'll stick with the written history thanks.

[Goaty Bill 2]

p1stonhead said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

p1stonhead said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Skyrat said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Rawwr said:

I suspect if it was an international law that people couldn't choose a religion or belief system until they were 18 and deemed mentally competent to do so, all religion would probably die out in a few generations.

Anything you say comrade Stalin.

Dagnir said:

...but if they weren't ever introduced to Religion as a concept, would it naturally take that form?

I suspect not and certainly not now, in this age of scientific understanding.

To quote one Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion: "There are no Catholic* children, only children of Catholic parents".

(*insert religion)

Hence my reference to comrade Stalin.
Stalin outlawed the teaching of any religion to children under the age of 18; his specific target being the Russian Orthodox church.
But children were taught atheism in school, and to be anti-theist, even to snoop and report on people they thought to be religious, including their own families.

Surely no one would, as a matter of general principal, wish the state to become responsible for teaching their children their moral codes, to the exclusion of anything the parents may believe?
That is just too Orwellian to imagine...

Depends if the parents are teaching morals based on the nonsense of burning forever in hell if they don't follow them. I doubt many secular moral codes would be so brazen if taught in a school.

You and I seem to be on a slightly differing wave lengths

I'll let you in on a secret, yes I was raised in a Christian family. As it happens both of my grandfathers were CoE ministers, as was an uncle (married to my father's sister).

All those preachers around, Sunday school as a child, and weekly services throughout my youth; and I was never once told that I would burn in Hell for my sins.
You find that remarkable? Because I don't.

But to be clear; you have just agreed that the state can teach your children their moral code, and that you will stay out of it, on pain of fines or incarceration?
One rule for all surely?
No? I didn't think so.

Schools DO teach kids morals and right and wrong. They don't have a monopoly on it. Parents also should.

But teaching kids lies from an early age is wrong which is what some parents do.

As someone said before - there are no religious children, just children of religious parents.

There are no anti-theist children, just children of anti-theist parents.

I agree, many parents teach their children "lies".
Many of my teachers "lied" about a lot more than religion. You have to grow up and learn much for yourself in this world.
I concentrated on teaching my children that particular fact of life.

Had I found out that my children's teachers were teaching them any specific beliefs, I would also have been quite concerned/annoyed.

[p1stonhead]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

p1stonhead said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

p1stonhead said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Skyrat said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Rawwr said:

I suspect if it was an international law that people couldn't choose a religion or belief system until they were 18 and deemed mentally competent to do so, all religion would probably die out in a few generations.

Anything you say comrade Stalin.

Dagnir said:

...but if they weren't ever introduced to Religion as a concept, would it naturally take that form?

I suspect not and certainly not now, in this age of scientific understanding.

To quote one Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion: "There are no Catholic* children, only children of Catholic parents".

(*insert religion)

Hence my reference to comrade Stalin.
Stalin outlawed the teaching of any religion to children under the age of 18; his specific target being the Russian Orthodox church.
But children were taught atheism in school, and to be anti-theist, even to snoop and report on people they thought to be religious, including their own families.

Surely no one would, as a matter of general principal, wish the state to become responsible for teaching their children their moral codes, to the exclusion of anything the parents may believe?
That is just too Orwellian to imagine...

Depends if the parents are teaching morals based on the nonsense of burning forever in hell if they don't follow them. I doubt many secular moral codes would be so brazen if taught in a school.

You and I seem to be on a slightly differing wave lengths

I'll let you in on a secret, yes I was raised in a Christian family. As it happens both of my grandfathers were CoE ministers, as was an uncle (married to my father's sister).

All those preachers around, Sunday school as a child, and weekly services throughout my youth; and I was never once told that I would burn in Hell for my sins.
You find that remarkable? Because I don't.

But to be clear; you have just agreed that the state can teach your children their moral code, and that you will stay out of it, on pain of fines or incarceration?
One rule for all surely?
No? I didn't think so.

Schools DO teach kids morals and right and wrong. They don't have a monopoly on it. Parents also should.

But teaching kids lies from an early age is wrong which is what some parents do.

As someone said before - there are no religious children, just children of religious parents.

There are no anti-theist children, just children of anti-theist parents.

I agree, many parents teach their children "lies".
Many of my teachers "lied" about a lot more than religion. You have to grow up and learn much for yourself in this world.
I concentrated on teaching my children that particular fact of life.

Had I found out that my children's teachers were teaching them any specific beliefs, I would also have been quite concerned/annoyed.

Anti theist is a default because they haven't been told about made up things. Fairly simple.

Anti theist shouldn't even be a word. There isn't a word for not believing in 80ft high purple elephants who can fly because its assumed to not be required. Religion should be the same but it isn't unfortunately.

[Goaty Bill 2]

p1stonhead said:

Anti theist is a default because they haven't been told about made up things. Fairly simple.

Anti theist shouldn't even be a word. There isn't a word for not believing in 80ft high purple elephants who can fly.

A theist is someone who holds a belief in a god or gods and acts upon those beliefs, which can usually be summed as 'how they lead their life'.

An atheist is someone who does not believe, and is convinced they are correct in their non-belief.

An agnostic is someone who maybe not quite certain, and may well lean one way or the other, and would seem to include those that simply do not accept the teachings of the prominent established faiths.

An anti-theist is someone who is against religious beliefs in god(s) and acts upon that conviction. That usually means they will take actions to convert/convince religious people (theists) to become atheists, and often amounts to 'preaching' against theism. (Dawkins et al)

Paganism, is generally used to describe anyone not of the Christian, Muslim. or Jewish faiths, but holds some other beliefs (usually in their own god(s)/deities). Druids, and followers of the Greek or Roman gods would be examples.

[Starfighter]

Auchnagiggle said:

Atheists and agnostics total about 20% of the population in the USA and even that might well be under recorded because there's such a stigma to admitting being an atheist there.

I travel quite a bit in the US. I was asked one evening which church I want to and saw several people physically recall when I said I was an atheist.

[vonuber]

Still the best baptazia video:

https://youtu.be/q1uZj7OujvU

The drop at 1:40 is immense.

[VGTICE]

vonuber said:

Still the best baptazia video:

https://youtu.be/q1uZj7OujvU

The drop at 1:40 is immense.

Thanks for reminding me why I hated post 2000 DnB.

[Morningside]

Back to the original video. Why would anyone they fall for this as they are obviously intelligent people. Are they just drawn into the atmosphere or just afraid to speak out?

[Goaty Bill 2]

Morningside said:

Back to the original video.

After 6 pages of mostly off topic?
You are the one asking for a miracle on PH I think