Modern single women
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I've been single for a good 18 months. I tried some dating in that time. A friend of a friend I met by chance. Some POF, Some Tinder. But a sizeable percentage of the girls I met in my age range 28-36 seem to have an air of expectation and a level of narcissism I'm not sure was prevalent 10 or so years ago. They bring nothing to the party bar their genitals and their looks, which like all of us will fade in time. They have no savings, no career, everything they own is on tick, no hobbies etc. But have a huge long list of "criteria" that a man should hit to even be in with a chance of sleeping with or having a relationship with them. The whole "I'm not settling for anything less than perfection"
By coincidence this vid of a 32yo girl trended on YT. Sums it up nicely. And of course she'll end up alone with cats in 10 years time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR6tjQf0_sE
(swearing)
I appreciate it's not ALL women. But I found myself wondering if it's worth making a massive effort. Developed a "if it happens, it happens" attitude. In the meantime focus on my career or health or interests.
But then I read an article on MGTOW (Men going their own way) by Martin Daubney, former editor of Loaded magazine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3t1t5...
(reprint from the Sunday Times paywall)
Essentially to a lesser or greater amount a percentage of guys are giving up on relationships (and even sex!
) Obviously it resonated with me. And whilst I put myself at the other end from the "no relationships or sex ever" mindest, it does seem to be a thing, and I'm seemingly an unknowing mgtow/neomasculine male
I would have thought that when girls get to their 30s their body clock kicks in and they start panicking they'll never have kids so get less picky? Apparently the birth rate in the western world is declining over the last few decades. Is this related?
By coincidence this vid of a 32yo girl trended on YT. Sums it up nicely. And of course she'll end up alone with cats in 10 years time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR6tjQf0_sE
(swearing)
I appreciate it's not ALL women. But I found myself wondering if it's worth making a massive effort. Developed a "if it happens, it happens" attitude. In the meantime focus on my career or health or interests.
But then I read an article on MGTOW (Men going their own way) by Martin Daubney, former editor of Loaded magazine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3t1t5...
(reprint from the Sunday Times paywall)
Essentially to a lesser or greater amount a percentage of guys are giving up on relationships (and even sex!
) Obviously it resonated with me. And whilst I put myself at the other end from the "no relationships or sex ever" mindest, it does seem to be a thing, and I'm seemingly an unknowing mgtow/neomasculine male I would have thought that when girls get to their 30s their body clock kicks in and they start panicking they'll never have kids so get less picky? Apparently the birth rate in the western world is declining over the last few decades. Is this related?
I'm 38 and really can't be arsed with it. At all.
I've fannied about with POF etc but have come to the conclusion they're either too young, dumb and full of cum or they're older and carrying all sorts of baggage. Kids mostly. Which I'm not interested in, especially other people's.
Not sure what the answer is.
I've fannied about with POF etc but have come to the conclusion they're either too young, dumb and full of cum or they're older and carrying all sorts of baggage. Kids mostly. Which I'm not interested in, especially other people's.
Not sure what the answer is.
I'm a bit older - in my forties. I met some very nice and very sorted women dating last year and am seeing one now.
A lot of posts on here do suggest that many men prioritise looks above everything else and will then put up with anything to keep the 'looker' (who is probably out of their league so will inevitably fail, leading to a bitter divorce). You've only got to look at the scorn and derision poured on any woman mentioned who isn't absolutely physically perfect - Aintree threads are the perfect example.
The concept of trying to find a woman with a nice rounded personality seems alien to many. It's ALL about the looks. It's no wonder some of these 'stunners' develop 'little princess' personalities.
I'm not saying date a munter. But maybe try going out with women who are a little more normal and down to earth.
A lot of posts on here do suggest that many men prioritise looks above everything else and will then put up with anything to keep the 'looker' (who is probably out of their league so will inevitably fail, leading to a bitter divorce). You've only got to look at the scorn and derision poured on any woman mentioned who isn't absolutely physically perfect - Aintree threads are the perfect example.
The concept of trying to find a woman with a nice rounded personality seems alien to many. It's ALL about the looks. It's no wonder some of these 'stunners' develop 'little princess' personalities.
I'm not saying date a munter. But maybe try going out with women who are a little more normal and down to earth.
technodup said:
I'm 38 and really can't be arsed with it. At all.
I've fannied about with POF etc but have come to the conclusion they're either too young, dumb and full of cum or they're older and carrying all sorts of baggage. Kids mostly. Which I'm not interested in, especially other people's.
Not sure what the answer is.
How very dare these women have lives before meeting you! I've fannied about with POF etc but have come to the conclusion they're either too young, dumb and full of cum or they're older and carrying all sorts of baggage. Kids mostly. Which I'm not interested in, especially other people's.
Not sure what the answer is.
Dear oh dear. Get real.
I know a number of very successful, very well educated women who are attractive and engaging, but who have made the decision not to have kids at all, because they have made a career choice, and who also are not looking for a provider. In fact they have some concern the other way round. I do think the world is changing ( at least in Canada ) with a lot of women seeking senior careers and the educational system churning out lots of qualified women. Its not all the clock ticking.
Amusing video. Good luck to her, she still has some time, though I suspect the neighbourhood cats are all watching her progress with interest.
On the "cannot be bothered" front, it's worth reading about "the beautiful ones"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun
On the "cannot be bothered" front, it's worth reading about "the beautiful ones"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun
I'll agree with RDMCG, I think it's to do with women now being more "empowered" in terms of having their own stable career without reliance on any man. The truth as to why the last 20s/early 30s are now very picky is because they don't have to just settle for anyone, because they can survive on their own.
Im going to be contraversial here and say that love isnt what it used to be, and there's no real reason to be with someone- no need to buy the cow when you can get the milk for (most of the time) free. Hit a nightclub in a skimpy skirt and, as long as you're not a total minger, take your pick from a large number of horny lads.
Im going to be contraversial here and say that love isnt what it used to be, and there's no real reason to be with someone- no need to buy the cow when you can get the milk for (most of the time) free. Hit a nightclub in a skimpy skirt and, as long as you're not a total minger, take your pick from a large number of horny lads.
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I would agree with you TN. I'm 29 now and bought my first place at 22. Granted i don't own at current but anyone I speak to thats a few years younger just assume they can't afford so don't bother.Mind, after the close of my 11 year relationship I did indulge in a lot of experiences. I.e drinking 6 nights a week
What I see from my sisters and their friends who are mid twenties is that the girls are all treated like princesses by their parents, especially the fathers and are brought up under the impression that if they have to compromise on anything then it's never going to happen.
They then turn that around in their minds to mean there are no good guys out there.
A friend of mine is a really lovely girl, relatively easy on the eye yet is in this predicament. It's crazy - her list of 'wants' is so long from height, build, hair colour, eye colour, sense of humour, current income, future income prospects etc etc etc. it's total madness. I did try to set her up with a good friend of mine who is a really good bloke but as he wasn't quite tall enough for her.
Being in this situation they then decide to take the decision that they'll be 'career women' and that's that, yet I know my friend is desperate for a wedding and a couple of kids.
They then turn that around in their minds to mean there are no good guys out there.
A friend of mine is a really lovely girl, relatively easy on the eye yet is in this predicament. It's crazy - her list of 'wants' is so long from height, build, hair colour, eye colour, sense of humour, current income, future income prospects etc etc etc. it's total madness. I did try to set her up with a good friend of mine who is a really good bloke but as he wasn't quite tall enough for her.
Being in this situation they then decide to take the decision that they'll be 'career women' and that's that, yet I know my friend is desperate for a wedding and a couple of kids.
The Moose said:
What I see from my sisters and their friends who are mid twenties is that the girls are all treated like princesses by their parents, especially the fathers and are brought up under the impression that if they have to compromise on anything then it's never going to happen.
Ditto guys (and their mums) if they still live at home and are dependent, either financially or emotionally on their parents. Compared to previous generations we seem to take ages to get our sh8t together - career, travel and endless dating seems to consume all of your 20s - in lieu of actual responsibilities.Rich_W said:
I've been single for a good 18 months. I tried some dating in that time. A friend of a friend I met by chance. Some POF, Some Tinder. But a sizeable percentage of the girls I met in my age range 28-36 seem to have an air of expectation and a level of narcissism I'm not sure was prevalent 10 or so years ago. They bring nothing to the party bar their genitals and their looks, which like all of us will fade in time. They have no savings, no career, everything they own is on tick, no hobbies etc. But have a huge long list of "criteria" that a man should hit to even be in with a chance of sleeping with or having a relationship with them. The whole "I'm not settling for anything less than perfection"
By coincidence this vid of a 32yo girl trended on YT. Sums it up nicely. And of course she'll end up alone with cats in 10 years time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR6tjQf0_sE
(swearing)
I appreciate it's not ALL women. But I found myself wondering if it's worth making a massive effort. Developed a "if it happens, it happens" attitude. In the meantime focus on my career or health or interests.
But then I read an article on MGTOW (Men going their own way) by Martin Daubney, former editor of Loaded magazine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3t1t5...
(reprint from the Sunday Times paywall)
Essentially to a lesser or greater amount a percentage of guys are giving up on relationships (and even sex! ) Obviously it resonated with me. And whilst I put myself at the other end from the "no relationships or sex ever" mindest, it does seem to be a thing, and I'm seemingly an unknowing mgtow/neomasculine male
I would have thought that when girls get to their 30s their body clock kicks in and they start panicking they'll never have kids so get less picky? Apparently the birth rate in the western world is declining over the last few decades. Is this related?
There are a huge amount in the age range you specify that fit that mould. Spent like a drunk sailor on shore leave and up to the nipples in debt to show how empowered they are and yet secretly waiting for some bloke to turn up and sort it all out for them.By coincidence this vid of a 32yo girl trended on YT. Sums it up nicely. And of course she'll end up alone with cats in 10 years time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR6tjQf0_sE
(swearing)
I appreciate it's not ALL women. But I found myself wondering if it's worth making a massive effort. Developed a "if it happens, it happens" attitude. In the meantime focus on my career or health or interests.
But then I read an article on MGTOW (Men going their own way) by Martin Daubney, former editor of Loaded magazine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3t1t5...
(reprint from the Sunday Times paywall)
Essentially to a lesser or greater amount a percentage of guys are giving up on relationships (and even sex!
) Obviously it resonated with me. And whilst I put myself at the other end from the "no relationships or sex ever" mindest, it does seem to be a thing, and I'm seemingly an unknowing mgtow/neomasculine male I would have thought that when girls get to their 30s their body clock kicks in and they start panicking they'll never have kids so get less picky? Apparently the birth rate in the western world is declining over the last few decades. Is this related?
I genuinely think its a media/generational thing as another poster has stated that started back jn the 90s.
However they are on borrowed time until the cats and the CCJ letters arrive as two things happen when both sexes get older.
Women lose their looks, men build their wealth. One of those realises you dont throw money at a depreciating asset on the countdowm to the menopause and the extreme mental.
Or as my old tradesman used to say when it came to women, if we didn't want to f
k them you'd find them stacked 10 high at the council tip.Why any lad in his teens or 20s with a future in front of him would think of getting married these days bemuses me. Men have it stacked against them in every department legally when in a relationship so why bother?
fido said:
The Moose said:
What I see from my sisters and their friends who are mid twenties is that the girls are all treated like princesses by their parents, especially the fathers and are brought up under the impression that if they have to compromise on anything then it's never going to happen.
Ditto guys (and their mums) if they still live at home and are dependent, either financially or emotionally on their parents. Compared to previous generations we seem to take ages to get our sh8t together - career, travel and endless dating seems to consume all of your 20s - in lieu of actual responsibilities.Ah the weird world of MGTOW, stumbled across it a couple of years ago. Found the reddit forum one of the strangest places I'd seen on the internet, which is an impressive feat.
Ended up reading the The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi to get an idea of what they were talking about. Worth a read and while certainly a very cynical take on the dating game found myself agreeing with a fair chunk of it.
For a an introduction to the hazards of dating I only need to go as far as my office right now.
There's a woman who's currently divorcing her husband. We ended up talking about it over a drink after work. By her own admission she knew when she married him that he wasn't the right guy and it would never last but felt 'the clock was ticking'.
The guy who sits next to her is in the unfortunate position of still living with his soon to be ex wife while the utter nightmare of sorting out money and access to his young boy is going on.
She's pretty, an utter princess, was worth the square root of sod all when they met and and a few years older than the bloke in question, must of been nearly 40 when they met. Can't help but feel he's been 'duped' in the same way.
It appears at some point the music stops and some women stop being so picky. As time is running out they will find the first decent and solvent guy they can find; comfortable in the knowledge they can always divorce him, keep the kid, the house and have a regular income for the next 18 years.
Ended up reading the The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi to get an idea of what they were talking about. Worth a read and while certainly a very cynical take on the dating game found myself agreeing with a fair chunk of it.
For a an introduction to the hazards of dating I only need to go as far as my office right now.
There's a woman who's currently divorcing her husband. We ended up talking about it over a drink after work. By her own admission she knew when she married him that he wasn't the right guy and it would never last but felt 'the clock was ticking'.
The guy who sits next to her is in the unfortunate position of still living with his soon to be ex wife while the utter nightmare of sorting out money and access to his young boy is going on.
She's pretty, an utter princess, was worth the square root of sod all when they met and and a few years older than the bloke in question, must of been nearly 40 when they met. Can't help but feel he's been 'duped' in the same way.
It appears at some point the music stops and some women stop being so picky. As time is running out they will find the first decent and solvent guy they can find; comfortable in the knowledge they can always divorce him, keep the kid, the house and have a regular income for the next 18 years.
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