Modern single women
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schmunk said:
Disastrous said:
Pretty sure I declared I would only settle down with Jet from Gladiators and yet now my lie is exposed for what it was...
You do make a lovely couple, though:
Nanook said:
Rich_W said:
Nanook said:
...but as someone that has a wife...
Why would you get married in the world we live in today? When the inevitable divorce comes. You WILL lose so much! Worse if there are children involved. I would say of the people I've watched get married in the last 10 years (of all types and backgrounds and even parts of the world) 2/3rds-3/4s of them are divorced. For a variety of reasons. Kinda says it all about you really.
And if your mates are anything like you, I could probably have a guess at the variety of reasons!
Why did I marry her? Inevitable divorce, that you reckon happens to 2/3rds of your mates? Hardly inevitable is it then?!
I married her because I love her. Because we share a lot of the same interests, because she's my best friend, and because her parents are multimillionaires. Plus she's hot.
So you want a woman that's not shallow, doesn't like going to pubs and clubs, isn't interested in how tall you are, or what you do for a living, and doesn't want to marry you.
You need a hooker, and to deal with the fact that you can't always get what you want.
From this topic...This posts seems to be the PH male equivalent of the females on this topic...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Works in IT, forty years old, lives with his mum, leases a brand new 3 Series (because it is 'cheaper than buying secondhand you know') and owns a tatty old MX5 as a 'weekend car'.
He is a virgin and is very very voluble about the women who don't measure up to his idea of physical perfection (which he gleaned from lads mags) and who he definitely wouldn't sleep with.
Will eventually marry the first gold digger who is dumb enough to be fooled by the BMW and who is the right shape/appearance, will expect her to substitute his mum, will refer to her as 'the wife', will take on a massive mortgage, and will be completely mystified when she leaves him five years later when the house has built up some equity.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Works in IT, forty years old, lives with his mum, leases a brand new 3 Series (because it is 'cheaper than buying secondhand you know') and owns a tatty old MX5 as a 'weekend car'.
He is a virgin and is very very voluble about the women who don't measure up to his idea of physical perfection (which he gleaned from lads mags) and who he definitely wouldn't sleep with.
Will eventually marry the first gold digger who is dumb enough to be fooled by the BMW and who is the right shape/appearance, will expect her to substitute his mum, will refer to her as 'the wife', will take on a massive mortgage, and will be completely mystified when she leaves him five years later when the house has built up some equity.
Sa Calobra said:
no kids as the norm.
I don't debate your point about some people just not wanting kids but....You are saying by 2200 the large swathese of the world will be devoid of humans because after millennia upon millennia they suddenly surrendered the wish to pro-create in the space of a couple of centuries...Vocal Minority said:
I don't debate your point about some people just not wanting kids but....You are saying by 2200 the large swathese of the world will be devoid of humans because after millennia upon millennia they suddenly surrendered the wish to pro-create in the space of a couple of centuries...
I don't see us dying out any time soon, but reliable, available fertility control is a relatively recent development.I agree that birth rates in the western world will plateau or decrease - as accidental pregnancy will continue to fall for that reason.
It's the specific sentiment that 'no kids will be the norm' I think is a slightly silly generalisation based on his and some of his friends viewpoints.
It's the specific sentiment that 'no kids will be the norm' I think is a slightly silly generalisation based on his and some of his friends viewpoints.
Vocal Minority said:
Sa Calobra said:
no kids as the norm.
I don't debate your point about some people just not wanting kids but....You are saying by 2200 the large swathese of the world will be devoid of humans because after millennia upon millennia they suddenly surrendered the wish to pro-create in the space of a couple of centuries...
Sa Calobra said:
Works in IT, forty years old, lives with his mum, leases a brand new 3 Series (because it is 'cheaper than buying secondhand you know') and owns a tatty old MX5 as a 'weekend car'.
Aside from the weekend car - that is frikin' sad. I have a mate/acquaintance(*) like that (a bit younger) but still lives with his parents, gets looked over by nice girls, and then doesn't get why they seem to prefer guys like themselves i.e. independent. I would ditch the 3-series and get a newer MX-5.(*) - we recently fell out over the Referendum as he kept making stupid assertions (that won't affect him a jot because he is still sucking off his mum's teet anyway) and has gone travelling (something that he thinks won't be possible when we leave the EU) .. hopefully he'll meet someone on his travels!
Jaysus.
Maybe this level of paranoia/denial/double-standards and, yes, misogyny, was around when I were a lad, but if it was it certainly wasn't codified or discussed, much less celebrated and advanced as a positive way of life. That's one of the things we can thank the internet for, I guess.
As a young buck I was never particularly smooth with the ladies and made a fair few mistakes along the way, but most people manage to negotiate their way to a happy relationship at some point in their lives and I am no different.
The learning/growing/rejection in relationships is all part of life and to somehow attribute that 'lack of success' (to use the framing of competition, as seems the MGTOW way) is due to some kind of targeted denial or feminine conspiracy, is bonkers.
Whenever I read about the MGTOW "philosophy" and associated thinking I'm left deeply saddened that someone has gotten to the point they have elected to externalise their issues and seek to blame others instead of recognising that perhaps change is necessary, and that sometimes things just take a bit of time and hard work. The internet allows such feelings to germinate and be nurtured and...well, here we are.
Before any red pill neck veins start bulging, let me just say that I'm sure there are some men who are genuinely happier without women in their lives, but manage this without any negativity or ill will towards women (or whining about it on internet forums). But in my experience they would seem very much in the minority.
Unfortunately a whole industry has sprung up around this ostensibly benign position to promote the more outré ideas and their ends, with the motives of some of those doing the encouraging questionable to say the least. I watched, fascinated and abhorred, as the GG s
tshow lumbered along and it's no coincidence that there's a large overlap in the cohorts for both 'movements'. I don't use the word radicalisation lightly, but preying on people's vulnerabilities to promote an ideology is exactly what it is. The echo chamber of the internet just enables it in a way that would not have been possible 30 years ago.
There's no big secret to dating, or indeed any other kind of relationship; be respectful, treat people as individuals, try not to let prejudice cloud things and ignore/cut loose if things aren't mutually beneficial.
If you don't want a lady in your life, great. It's your decision though and not the fault of society. Regardless, treat everyone, men and women, equally and fairly.
Christ, I've gone all Bill & Ted
Maybe this level of paranoia/denial/double-standards and, yes, misogyny, was around when I were a lad, but if it was it certainly wasn't codified or discussed, much less celebrated and advanced as a positive way of life. That's one of the things we can thank the internet for, I guess.
As a young buck I was never particularly smooth with the ladies and made a fair few mistakes along the way, but most people manage to negotiate their way to a happy relationship at some point in their lives and I am no different.
The learning/growing/rejection in relationships is all part of life and to somehow attribute that 'lack of success' (to use the framing of competition, as seems the MGTOW way) is due to some kind of targeted denial or feminine conspiracy, is bonkers.
Whenever I read about the MGTOW "philosophy" and associated thinking I'm left deeply saddened that someone has gotten to the point they have elected to externalise their issues and seek to blame others instead of recognising that perhaps change is necessary, and that sometimes things just take a bit of time and hard work. The internet allows such feelings to germinate and be nurtured and...well, here we are.
Before any red pill neck veins start bulging, let me just say that I'm sure there are some men who are genuinely happier without women in their lives, but manage this without any negativity or ill will towards women (or whining about it on internet forums). But in my experience they would seem very much in the minority.
Unfortunately a whole industry has sprung up around this ostensibly benign position to promote the more outré ideas and their ends, with the motives of some of those doing the encouraging questionable to say the least. I watched, fascinated and abhorred, as the GG s
tshow lumbered along and it's no coincidence that there's a large overlap in the cohorts for both 'movements'. I don't use the word radicalisation lightly, but preying on people's vulnerabilities to promote an ideology is exactly what it is. The echo chamber of the internet just enables it in a way that would not have been possible 30 years ago.There's no big secret to dating, or indeed any other kind of relationship; be respectful, treat people as individuals, try not to let prejudice cloud things and ignore/cut loose if things aren't mutually beneficial.
If you don't want a lady in your life, great. It's your decision though and not the fault of society. Regardless, treat everyone, men and women, equally and fairly.
Christ, I've gone all Bill & Ted
Sa Calobra said:
From this topic...This posts seems to be the PH male equivalent of the females on this topic...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Works in IT, forty years old, lives with his mum, leases a brand new 3 Series (because it is 'cheaper than buying secondhand you know') and owns a tatty old MX5 as a 'weekend car'.
He is a virgin and is very very voluble about the women who don't measure up to his idea of physical perfection (which he gleaned from lads mags) and who he definitely wouldn't sleep with.
Will eventually marry the first gold digger who is dumb enough to be fooled by the BMW and who is the right shape/appearance, will expect her to substitute his mum, will refer to her as 'the wife', will take on a massive mortgage, and will be completely mystified when she leaves him five years later when the house has built up some equity.
I thought that rang a bell, it's one of mine! http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Works in IT, forty years old, lives with his mum, leases a brand new 3 Series (because it is 'cheaper than buying secondhand you know') and owns a tatty old MX5 as a 'weekend car'.
He is a virgin and is very very voluble about the women who don't measure up to his idea of physical perfection (which he gleaned from lads mags) and who he definitely wouldn't sleep with.
Will eventually marry the first gold digger who is dumb enough to be fooled by the BMW and who is the right shape/appearance, will expect her to substitute his mum, will refer to her as 'the wife', will take on a massive mortgage, and will be completely mystified when she leaves him five years later when the house has built up some equity.
Well having foretold of their coming, I think I should be allowed to suggest a name for these fine fellows.
From now on I think they should be known as the Black Knights.
Ari said:
Sa Calobra said:
From this topic...This posts seems to be the PH male equivalent of the females on this topic...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Works in IT, forty years old, lives with his mum, leases a brand new 3 Series (because it is 'cheaper than buying secondhand you know') and owns a tatty old MX5 as a 'weekend car'.
He is a virgin and is very very voluble about the women who don't measure up to his idea of physical perfection (which he gleaned from lads mags) and who he definitely wouldn't sleep with.
Will eventually marry the first gold digger who is dumb enough to be fooled by the BMW and who is the right shape/appearance, will expect her to substitute his mum, will refer to her as 'the wife', will take on a massive mortgage, and will be completely mystified when she leaves him five years later when the house has built up some equity.
I thought that rang a bell, it's one of mine! http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Works in IT, forty years old, lives with his mum, leases a brand new 3 Series (because it is 'cheaper than buying secondhand you know') and owns a tatty old MX5 as a 'weekend car'.
He is a virgin and is very very voluble about the women who don't measure up to his idea of physical perfection (which he gleaned from lads mags) and who he definitely wouldn't sleep with.
Will eventually marry the first gold digger who is dumb enough to be fooled by the BMW and who is the right shape/appearance, will expect her to substitute his mum, will refer to her as 'the wife', will take on a massive mortgage, and will be completely mystified when she leaves him five years later when the house has built up some equity.
Well having foretold of their coming, I think I should be allowed to suggest a name for these fine fellows.
From now on I think they should be known as the Black Knights.
te nights?Rich_W said:
Then it all fell to ratst around p2/3 because people who hadn't read the whole thread started posting based on the same incorrect assumption.
Another way of looking at it is that the conversation moved on to your general attitude towards women and the suggestion is maybe your observation is coloured by this attitude.gregs656 said:
Rich_W said:
Then it all fell to ratst around p2/3 because people who hadn't read the whole thread started posting based on the same incorrect assumption.
Another way of looking at it is that the conversation moved on to your general attitude towards women and the suggestion is maybe your observation is coloured by this attitude.Ari said:
I thought that rang a bell, it's one of mine!
Well having foretold of their coming, I think I should be allowed to suggest a name for these fine fellows.
From now on I think they should be known as the Black Knights.
Hope you don't mind me (possibly mis) using a quote/post of yours. I just thought it'd be funny to drop into this thread to stop the bickering for a bit.Well having foretold of their coming, I think I should be allowed to suggest a name for these fine fellows.
From now on I think they should be known as the Black Knights.
This is another explanation for why women aren't choosing relationships... I cannot wait to see the reaction of some on here about this, 
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/...
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/...
AyBee said:
Except I think you've fixated on the wrong bit - I don't think Rich is remotely bothered about being rejected, he's just pointing out that she's still there months later having increased her age criteria to try and meet more men. Either she's going on lots of dates but just hasn't found the right guy, or she's being extremely picky, looking for every aspect of the men she dates to be perfect and isn't ever going to find a guy who meets her criteria because her criteria just aren't realistic for what she brings to the table.
Honestly mate. Give it up. They won't have it. They are either deliberately being obtuse. Or so blinded by pussy that they will NEVER accept women are anything less than perfect. The white knight runs strong... andy-xr said:
... While we're here why wont these examples here, these fussy bhes, why havent they gone out with me?'
Post quotes please. Direct quotes with page numbers where I've said THAT.hes, why havent they gone out with me?' And btw. REMEMBER that the example I used and you quoted earlier. WAS A JOKE that your autistic screeching failed to get
I have not worried about a girl rejecting me in the last 10 years. And there must have been at least 200. Meh. I pointed that out earlier, but you skipped that because it doesn't fit your narrative that I'm somehow bitter about being rejected.
Disastrous said:
I got married last year (to a German girl, ironically)
How do you marry ironically? Disastrous said:
My suspicion here, which is borne out by the tone of his posts, is that the OP simply isn't very funny. That's what girls actually like. It's not really about 'status' and job security and just because somebody posts something about not dating under men who aren't rich with a six pack on Facebook, doesn't make it actually true. Pretty sure I declared I would only settle down with Jet from Gladiators and yet now my lie is exposed for what it was...
Make 'em laugh, as the saying goes. And also, don't try and meet them in ste clubs full of scummers. I spent many years as an actor/musician so was completely skint with no security to offer and went out with loads of women who earned more and had better jobs than me and it's honestly never been an issue. I'm pretty happy in my own skin and don't need people to 'recognise my status' so perhaps that helps?
Honestly, good craic and charm gets you far further than a Golf R on a lease IMO. Nothing to do with white knights or picky women.
I'd like to agree. Only as a recent date said literally within 5 mins. "You're much funnier in person!" To which I rather sadly replied. "I said Funny on my profile! What did you think it meant Make 'em laugh, as the saying goes. And also, don't try and meet them in s
te clubs full of scummers. I spent many years as an actor/musician so was completely skint with no security to offer and went out with loads of women who earned more and had better jobs than me and it's honestly never been an issue. I'm pretty happy in my own skin and don't need people to 'recognise my status' so perhaps that helps?Honestly, good craic and charm gets you far further than a Golf R on a lease IMO. Nothing to do with white knights or picky women.
" I don't agree with the rest. And here's why.
SPECIFICALLY to the MSW>30's
Looks, Money, Status matter far more to these women. FOr all sorts of reasons. But it;s the whole "seeking security" thing. I think it's ridiculous. Since they are chasing perfection (I think I may have said this earlier :bulb:
Certainly my girl-friends who are married when they were younger don't subscribe to it. So it seemed to me to be something that becomes onset after 30. Which was where this thread was headed before the autistic white knights turned up...
I'd wager the vast majority of girls you met when you were singing/acting were under 30? Id suggest that you have "status" as an entertainer which makes up for not having a Ferrari.
SKP555 said:
You need to get them in their late 30S.
All that's really happened is that the prissy, high expectations of girls in their early 20s has been extended by another decade or so.
Once the theme tune of Friends fades out and the ticking of the biological clock grows louder they tend to wise up a bit.
a) Thanks for actually understand the thread unlike the thickos All that's really happened is that the prissy, high expectations of girls in their early 20s has been extended by another decade or so.
Once the theme tune of Friends fades out and the ticking of the biological clock grows louder they tend to wise up a bit.
b) Quite probably.
DuncanM said:
Yep, the more he writes, the more I hear 'boo hoo hoo, girls I fancy don't fancy me back'
Facepalm. Yep. You heard something that wasn't there...Sa Calobra said:
Every girl bar one I'd class as long-term great material. That one girl who wasn't loved attention, got the glimpse and I ended it. She went onto gain a reputation.
I'm no lothario. I would say my "number" is around 15ish. I'm almost the opposite of you. Only maybe 2 were long term marriage material. And even then is was possibly right person, wrong time.Not a dig, (since that's reserved for the dumb
s who cant understand the thread) You probably had more long term options. So why did none of them work out?Vocal Minority said:
The over-whelming advice I am hearing on this thread is - 'don't better yourself, go out of your way, make more effort - just bide your time and their expectations will soon lower and they'll settle for you. Just you hang in there Captain Mediocrity!'
I'm sure that isn't what you mean....but it really sounds like that!
Kindof.I'm sure that isn't what you mean....but it really sounds like that!
Obviously improving your career or interests of whatever is a good way to spend your time. The whole NeoMasculine mantra (which I don't subscribe to btw) thing is to give up chasing women and do that sort of thing for YOU.
(Unless you were the poster earlier who said you should go out drinking when you have work the next day, since you don't need sleep.
)Eventually the MSW>30 will lower their standards or they'll buy the first cat
And of course any one of the manginas on here would be more than happy to take them. But as a personality streak the level of narcissism will still be obvious, they will resent having to settle and most people will be turned off by it. "seeing the mental" otolith said:
Lots of women (and men) have no desire to have children and have rejected what social pressure there is to do so. I feel that way. My late wife felt that way. I have friends who feel that way (and were expressing that view 25 years ago in their late teens).
I'm not sure it's lots of Women. Certainly some. Men maybe more so. Myself included because a) They are too damn expensive these days and b) Id be a ste parent Why did your wife not want kids? (If you don't mind, since I note the word 'late' there.)
Nanook said:
So you want a woman that's not shallow, doesn't like going to pubs and clubs, isn't interested in how tall you are, or what you do for a living, and doesn't want to marry you.
You need a hooker, and to deal with the fact that you can't always get what you want.
So much confusion in 1 post. You need a hooker, and to deal with the fact that you can't always get what you want.
a) Who said doesn't go to pubs/clubs? I said I'd like someone who "isn't like the majority of MSW>30s in clubs". But as ever, keep misinterpreting.
b) Too tight to pay for a hooker
c) "you can't always get what you want" Isn't that EXACTLY what I was saying about these MSW>30?
If only that was my point all along conkerman said:
Pistonheads - Misogyny Matters.
And there it is. Whenever guys question anything about Women and their motivations or opinions. Eventually a White Knight will defend the honour of women by crying
"Misogynist!"
I feel that's where I bow out of this thread.
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