Modern single women

[Ari]

overunder12g said:

You guys seem to have it all so complicated. Not sure I could survive in your world, so good luck to all of you navigating in what appears to be a minefield.

Some far more than others...

[Baz Tench]

Smollet said:

I gave up with serious relationships some 25 years ago and 20 years ago I just gave up on any relationship. Since then I don't think I've missed anything not having one and am far happier on my own.

Similar to me, though I am seeing someone at the moment, which is a recent thing. I love the complete freedom. No dramas, no mind games, I can do what I want when I want etc. etc.

It has worked for me for years, but I accept it can't be this good forever.

Edited by Baz Tench on Monday 27th March 23:40

[Funky Panda]

Buzz word said:

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What that does to men is causes them to look at themselves through their own male lens and pick fault with why they aren't the best men from a set of male requirements, ie height, wage, status etc.

Is height such a differentiating factor? Most of my experience of being tall is not fitting in a mk1 Mx5 very well, being too heavy to go kart and knocking myself out on country pub rustic beams.

[xjay1337]

Funky Panda said:

Is height such a differentiating factor? Most of my experience of being tall is not fitting in a mk1 Mx5 very well, being too heavy to go kart and knocking myself out on country pub rustic beams.

Women defo prefer someone who is taller than them (in my experience, they feel safer etc).
So if you are a shorter bloke , say 5"6, you are generally less appealing than someone who is 6"2.

[berlintaxi]

xjay1337 said:

Women defo prefer someone who is taller than them (in my experience, they feel safer etc).
So if you are a shorter bloke , say 5"6, you are generally less appealing than someone who is 6"2.

So a 5'6" multi-millionaire is going to be less appealing than a 6'2"nobody without a pot to piss in?

[Dog Star]

Funky Panda said:

Is height such a differentiating factor? Most of my experience of being tall is not fitting in a mk1 Mx5 very well, being too heavy to go kart and knocking myself out on country pub rustic beams.

Same here, 6'3" and the only difference it has ever made to me is smashing my head on stuff (car tailgates, corners of up-and-over garage doors (that REALLY HURTS!)).

I adore short girls though, my ex-fiancee was 4'10" which was perfect. Current OH is 6'2" so not sure how that happened.

On the subject of this online dating thing - a few of my mates have become single in the last year or two and are trying out all this tinder, POF thing. From what I can see of what is going on all the girls they meet appear to have been getting more pricks than a second hand dart board and all the women on there appear to be on some shag-fest merry-go-round. I'm not the pickiest guy, but I'd not be sticking my willy in a girl off one of those websites.

[xjay1337]

berlintaxi said:

xjay1337 said:

Women defo prefer someone who is taller than them (in my experience, they feel safer etc).
So if you are a shorter bloke , say 5"6, you are generally less appealing than someone who is 6"2.

So a 5'6" multi-millionaire is going to be less appealing than a 6'2"nobody without a pot to piss in?

Assume the 5"6 and the 6"2 person are otherwise identical...

[Buzz word]

Sa Calobra said:

Are the photos online a true reflection of that woman? Is it a pic of a friend, a pic from years previously when she was much younger, is it Instagramed/filters applied and manipulated to make them look prettier than they really are? They are lost in a endless bottle of white wine and need to feel good about themselves because in person maybe no one would pick them up, flirt or ask for a date and they are hiding from this truth? Online gives them a sense of power and beauty, a facade?

The real nice girls are pit off online dating by the pushy men, the ones that send pics of their dicks and are obnoxious. Seen any pics of blokes profiles? Maybe alot are the same, full of guff and lies to attract female attention. A genuine female bitten say twice also leaves the online game..

The selective use of images obviously goes on and is far more endemic with women in my experience. Most profiles certainly have insta filters applied or use creative techniques to show them in their better than best light. Personally I think if you are deliberate disingenuous like that you'll get what you deserve which is the other person realising they aren't getting what they see and dropping them in an instant in real life. Maybe that goes some way to explain the lack of wanting to turn up in person and have to admit to themselves that they have been soliciting attention on false grounds and don't really believe themselves to be as pretty in real life.

I think the fk boys helped to create the market place we see now for sure but it still is very much a female market. The nice well presented ones are still messing guys about as they fall for the fk boy attention. There may well be great women out there who are abandoning it too for much the same reasons. Those are the unicorns, however, they are certainly real but no one knows where to find them. Even MGTOW exist they are real as people do have successful relationships they just assert that the risk isn't worth the reward with such a loaded game.

Funky Panda said:

Is height such a differentiating factor? Most of my experience of being tall is not fitting in a mk1 Mx5 very well, being too heavy to go kart and knocking myself out on country pub rustic beams.

There are a lot of female profiles looking for 6ft plus men and at the very least taller then them in heels. Statistically the average uk male is 5ft 9 and the average woman 5ft 5 so even with the heels requirement at 4in of lift on all but platforms then the average male and female should be fine. It depends what you call tall really but at 6ft you are at 1sd so the top 13% of the population and 3% at 6ft 3+ so if women are really after the tall they will statistically be very disappointed.

[garylythgoe]

I'm 5ft 7...

Females will genuinely stop talking to me online once they know I'm 5ft 7.
So it leaves me in a dilemma of do I just get the height thing out of the way in the first few messages, or not come across like a nobber so early on.

I know what I am, but doing the online thing doesn't half batter the confidence sometimes.

[RDMcG]

This whole thread should be called internet dating. If you are single why not do something else? Get fit and spend proper time at the gym. Dress properly. Build a proper career plan. Build a good financial strategy. Have some engaging hobbies. Have friends .Do not sit at home in front of a screen. These things will build up self confidence. If you start with the attitude that women are grasping harpies or even have the laughable attitude that all they want is your money you are already done. We are social animals and nothing beats face to face contact and respecting the other person. I have never really gone out to hunt down women like targets. Relationships just happen naturally if you are an interesting person with something to contribute.

[motco]

garylythgoe said:

I'm 5ft 7...

Females will genuinely stop talking to me online once they know I'm 5ft 7.
So it leaves me in a dilemma of do I just get the height thing out of the way in the first few messages, or not come across like a nobber so early on.

I know what I am, but doing the online thing doesn't half batter the confidence sometimes.

Would you really want to associate with a woman whose principal parameter was stature?

[jogger1976]

garylythgoe said:

I'm 5ft 7...

Females will genuinely stop talking to me online once they know I'm 5ft 7.
So it leaves me in a dilemma of do I just get the height thing out of the way in the first few messages, or not come across like a nobber so early on.

I know what I am, but doing the online thing doesn't half batter the confidence sometimes.

I feel your pain.I'm 5" 7" and I absolutely know it has affected my chances. I've actually had women say that they liked me but couldn't date me as I was not tall enough.
It used to really bother me,but Inow just think if a women's going to be that petty and superficial, then they're not worth my time.
As for internet dating: a complete waste of time for most men,IMHO ( and believe me, I've tried them all) as they're full of married women, unicorn hunters, fantasists and some complete fruitcakes!!!
My priorities are now to get fit, study and be more spontaneous. If something comes out of that, then great!

Edited by jogger1976 on Tuesday 28th March 09:48

[garylythgoe]

motco said:

Would you really want to associate with a woman whose principal parameter was stature?

Absolutely not.

But it's such a waste of time, going to the effort of getting to know someone, asking questions, drawing them in.... To then find out they only want a 6ft 4 guy.

When it happens 2-3 times in a row, its hard to not let it get to you.

[austinsmirk]

Dog Star said:

Funky Panda said:

Same here, 6'3" and the only difference it has ever made to me is smashing my head on stuff (car tailgates, corners of up-and-over garage doors (that REALLY HURTS!)).

I adore short girls though, my ex-fiancee was 4'10" which was perfect. Current OH is 6'2" so not sure how that happened.

On the subject of this online dating thing - a few of my mates have become single in the last year or two and are trying out all this tinder, POF thing. From what I can see of what is going on all the girls they meet appear to have been getting more pricks than a second hand dart board and all the women on there appear to be on some shag-fest merry-go-round. I'm not the pickiest guy, but I'd not be sticking my willy in a girl off one of those websites.

we all know about your strange tastes mate !!!!

[PurpleTurtle]

RDMcG said:

This whole thread should be called internet dating. If you are single why not do something else? Get fit and spend proper time at the gym. Dress properly. Build a proper career plan. Build a good financial strategy. Have some engaging hobbies. Have friends .Do not sit at home in front of a screen. These things will build up self confidence. If you start with the attitude that women are grasping harpies or even have the laughable attitude that all they want is your money you are already done. We are social animals and nothing beats face to face contact and respecting the other person. I have never really gone out to hunt down women like targets. Relationships just happen naturally if you are an interesting person with something to contribute.

^^^ what he said. Yes.

[lemmingjames]

RDMcG said:

This whole thread should be called internet dating. If you are single why not do something else? Get fit and spend proper time at the gym. Dress properly. Build a proper career plan. Build a good financial strategy. Have some engaging hobbies. Have friends .Do not sit at home in front of a screen. These things will build up self confidence. If you start with the attitude that women are grasping harpies or even have the laughable attitude that all they want is your money you are already done. We are social animals and nothing beats face to face contact and respecting the other person. I have never really gone out to hunt down women like targets. Relationships just happen naturally if you are an interesting person with something to contribute.

Trouble is, you can have all of those attributes you list but still get dropped like a stone for no reason, even with the ones that look promising and you seem to get on well with.

Internet dating has changed the dating game alot and like someone said, how it is now is alot different to pre-tinder or even when Tinder was just released as more people have jumped on the bandwagon and theres always options available to someone just a click/swipe away.

Ill use myself as an example;
Met this great girl, got along well with, 2nd date agreed within the 1st date pretty much, lots of chat after, roll onto date day (last Friday) and she goes cold claiming shes ill and then communication effectively stops. Cue me questioning what could have gone wrong (as mentioned above), so spent abit of time on the apps yesterday and now in chat with multiple girls with 1 date lined up already for the weekend.

Couple of weeks ago i had 4 in 3 days. Its that easy and yet thats what makes it so hard

[Rh14n]

motco said:

garylythgoe said:

I'm 5ft 7...

Females will genuinely stop talking to me online once they know I'm 5ft 7.
So it leaves me in a dilemma of do I just get the height thing out of the way in the first few messages, or not come across like a nobber so early on.

I know what I am, but doing the online thing doesn't half batter the confidence sometimes.

Would you really want to associate with a woman whose principal parameter was stature?

That is indeed superficial but then it's just one characteristic. Is it any more superficial than men who only want to associate with a woman whose principal parameter is beauty?

[Jinx]

Rh14n said:

That is indeed superficial but then it's just one characteristic. Is it any more superficial than men who only want to associate with a woman whose principal parameter is beauty?

Bit harder to quantify though (scale of one to ten and all that) .

[Adenauer]

motco said:

Would you really want to associate with a woman whose principal parameter was stature?

That's what women say about blokes who are obviously only interested in tits, legs, and bums.

[xRIEx]

Rh14n said:

motco said:

garylythgoe said:

I'm 5ft 7...

Females will genuinely stop talking to me online once they know I'm 5ft 7.
So it leaves me in a dilemma of do I just get the height thing out of the way in the first few messages, or not come across like a nobber so early on.

I know what I am, but doing the online thing doesn't half batter the confidence sometimes.

Would you really want to associate with a woman whose principal parameter was stature?

That is indeed superficial but then it's just one characteristic. Is it any more superficial than men who only want to associate with a woman whose principal parameter is beauty?

No, they are equally superficial. I would say that beauty comes in many forms (in the eye of the beholder, etc.) - it's not just physical beauty.

It appears to be one very important characteristic, though. From my experience looking at internet dating profiles:

- women stated their own height and specified a preferred height range for prospective partners in about 95% of profiles
- the vast majority of those profiles (85-90%) would state a preferred height range where the lower limit was their own height
- a small number (5%) would specify a height range starting slightly higher than their height (1-3")
- a very small number would specify a height range starting significantly higher than their own height (the biggest difference I remember was a 5'3" woman looking only for men 6'3" and taller)
- a very small number would specify a height range starting an inch or two lower than their own height, but always extending higher
- no women specified a range where their own height was half-way up or higher that range (e.g. a 5'8" woman specifying a height range of 5'4" to 5'10")
- no women specified a range that was shorter than them

Yes, I'm a short arse so it's something I take note of.

On the flip side, very few profiles ever stated a desired partner income range.