Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?
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Some friend from the past on FB has started his own Karate school and as part of his promotion he includes clips of sparring etc
To me, it just looks like choreographed fighting - they fight in a certain way with certain moves and kicks etc; react to the opponent based on how they read their moves...
How would these black belts fare in the real world against a real hard man? How would they handle a flurry of wild punches, headbutts and wrestling?
To me, it just looks like choreographed fighting - they fight in a certain way with certain moves and kicks etc; react to the opponent based on how they read their moves...
How would these black belts fare in the real world against a real hard man? How would they handle a flurry of wild punches, headbutts and wrestling?
Any MA that can give a 5 year old a black belt is to be avoided.
Far too old now but back in the day 2003 era I used to do muay thai then this film called ong bak came out and every man and his dog wanted to join our gym, we'd put them in the ring if they said they had done x years in a MA.
Some put up a solid defence but all ran and all were beat, most dojos are peddling st and putting a false sense of security on their students as they are mostly no better than a yoga class.
Far too old now but back in the day 2003 era I used to do muay thai then this film called ong bak came out and every man and his dog wanted to join our gym, we'd put them in the ring if they said they had done x years in a MA.
Some put up a solid defence but all ran and all were beat, most dojos are peddling st and putting a false sense of security on their students as they are mostly no better than a yoga class.
Went to school with someone who became a black belt 1st Dan at ~16, fought for England, and is currently a 6th Dan. He looked and acted with the calm of someone who knew they could beat anyone. A decent chap who never had aggression issues, just loved the art, fitness and discipline of karate. When he was about ~19, he got jumped at a local towny rave by three out-of-towners who wanted his wallet. He proceeded to kick and punch all three, like a proper Jackie Chan, for about 2mins. It was great fun to watch. He always said the only non-karate folk that worried him were small or medium professional boxers, because their turn of speed with a punch or duck was well trained and exceptionally fast.
AdamIndy said:
Emanresu said:
Everyone is hard until they get hit between the eyes with a claw hammer
I laughed way too much at that!
CAPP0 said:
I know someone who has competed for the UK in a few different martial arts but they won't use it in self-defence unless they absolutely have to (which so far is never) because the outcome can be bad and the risk of prosecution is there.
99% of Martial arts guy are crap in a real fight. I give you wing chun wars: https://youtu.be/979JwlCUBdITwo wing chun "masters", one of whom billed himself as the best street fighter in the world find that in reality, they are just a bit silly.
But then, then you get stone cold killers who could walk through a small group of people KO'ing more or less at wil. I have met and trained with a few of these. I don't think you can train what they have.
Source: comming up for 30 years of MA training, sparring full contact with everyone willing who came through the door.
Emanresu said:
AdamIndy said:
Emanresu said:
Everyone is hard until they get hit between the eyes with a claw hammer
I laughed way too much at that!
A guy I went to uni with is a black belt 2nd Dan. He's a very slight and slim fella. He showed us a few moves once whilst pissed in a bar. Then he said to the big rugby lad in the group 'come on then come at me'
Now this is hardly the acid test as we were all pissed. But it wasn't anything at all to do with his skill or strength, it was all speed. He had rugby guy on the floor in a locked position hold in seconds with about 3 or 4 moves.
Whenever there has been trouble on nights out, you get the lads standing behind him as 'he's handy' but in reality the MA taught him discipline to the point of extreme. I don't think he would ever use it in anger unless he or someone close was in mortal danger.
Now this is hardly the acid test as we were all pissed. But it wasn't anything at all to do with his skill or strength, it was all speed. He had rugby guy on the floor in a locked position hold in seconds with about 3 or 4 moves.
Whenever there has been trouble on nights out, you get the lads standing behind him as 'he's handy' but in reality the MA taught him discipline to the point of extreme. I don't think he would ever use it in anger unless he or someone close was in mortal danger.
Liokault said:
99% of Martial arts guy are crap in a real fight. I give you wing chun wars: https://youtu.be/979JwlCUBdI
Two wing chun "masters", one of whom billed himself as the best street fighter in the world find that in reality, they are just a bit silly.
But then, then you get stone cold killers who could walk through a small group of people KO'ing more or less at wil. I have met and trained with a few of these. I don't think you can train what they have.
Source: comming up for 30 years of MA training, sparring full contact with everyone willing who came through the door.
Exactly this, it's not the dog in the fight, etc.Two wing chun "masters", one of whom billed himself as the best street fighter in the world find that in reality, they are just a bit silly.
But then, then you get stone cold killers who could walk through a small group of people KO'ing more or less at wil. I have met and trained with a few of these. I don't think you can train what they have.
Source: comming up for 30 years of MA training, sparring full contact with everyone willing who came through the door.
I did MA for 10 years and am not a fighter. So I knew most people could beat me. It was more for the art I did it.
Like many things in life, some people are just natural born fighters.
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