Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?

Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?

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lord trumpton

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7,320 posts

125 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Some friend from the past on FB has started his own Karate school and as part of his promotion he includes clips of sparring etc

To me, it just looks like choreographed fighting - they fight in a certain way with certain moves and kicks etc; react to the opponent based on how they read their moves...

How would these black belts fare in the real world against a real hard man? How would they handle a flurry of wild punches, headbutts and wrestling?

AdamIndy

1,661 posts

103 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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I would assume the karate kid would be a lot faster than the weekend hardman windmilling machine.

Unless of course the man doing the windmilling was chuck Norris. In which case, the karate kid is fked!biggrin

jjones

4,422 posts

192 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Does the opponent have a goatee and/or directorship?

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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First tell us who in your opinion is equipped to handle a real hard man ?

I would guess someone trained in karate has a better chance than most people.


citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Against another open/empty hand style opponent pretty handy i would think.

But up against a MMa/BJJ type opponent not very good

Sheets Tabuer

18,895 posts

214 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Any MA that can give a 5 year old a black belt is to be avoided.

Far too old now but back in the day 2003 era I used to do muay thai then this film called ong bak came out and every man and his dog wanted to join our gym, we'd put them in the ring if they said they had done x years in a MA.

Some put up a solid defence but all ran and all were beat, most dojos are peddling st and putting a false sense of security on their students as they are mostly no better than a yoga class.

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Went to school with someone who became a black belt 1st Dan at ~16, fought for England, and is currently a 6th Dan. He looked and acted with the calm of someone who knew they could beat anyone. A decent chap who never had aggression issues, just loved the art, fitness and discipline of karate. When he was about ~19, he got jumped at a local towny rave by three out-of-towners who wanted his wallet. He proceeded to kick and punch all three, like a proper Jackie Chan, for about 2mins. It was great fun to watch. He always said the only non-karate folk that worried him were small or medium professional boxers, because their turn of speed with a punch or duck was well trained and exceptionally fast.

Emanresu

311 posts

88 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Everyone is hard until they get hit between the eyes with a claw hammer

CAPP0

19,530 posts

202 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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I know someone who has competed for the UK in a few different martial arts but they won't use it in self-defence unless they absolutely have to (which so far is never) because the outcome can be bad and the risk of prosecution is there.

AdamIndy

1,661 posts

103 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Emanresu said:
Everyone is hard until they get hit between the eyes with a claw hammer
laughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

I laughed way too much at that!





battered

4,088 posts

146 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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I train with someone who is an ex pro Thai boxer and black belt. He has given me the odd demo where he just walks through combinations without trying. Trust me, if he wanted to hurt you, you wouldn't even see which way it went.

Emanresu

311 posts

88 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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AdamIndy said:
Emanresu said:
Everyone is hard until they get hit between the eyes with a claw hammer
laughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

I laughed way too much at that!
True story - going back maybe 30 years, there used to be a guy in my local village back home. Always told everyone in the bar how he was the hardest bare knuckle boxer in Ireland and to be fair, he was pretty hard. Anyway, he was telling everyone in the bar again one night when another guy decided he had had enough. He walked out to the van, got a claw hammer and stuck it in the side of the hard mans head. To this day, he is unable to string a full sentence together without slurring his words. Just sits on the street corner in his own piss drinking tins of special. Sad really but a lot to be learned from the story. No matter how hard you are or how hard you think you are, if you advertise it, there will always be someone bigger or crazier to come along and knock your bks in.

Liokault

2,837 posts

213 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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CAPP0 said:
I know someone who has competed for the UK in a few different martial arts but they won't use it in self-defence unless they absolutely have to (which so far is never) because the outcome can be bad and the risk of prosecution is there.
99% of Martial arts guy are crap in a real fight. I give you wing chun wars: https://youtu.be/979JwlCUBdI

Two wing chun "masters", one of whom billed himself as the best street fighter in the world find that in reality, they are just a bit silly.


But then, then you get stone cold killers who could walk through a small group of people KO'ing more or less at wil. I have met and trained with a few of these. I don't think you can train what they have.


Source: comming up for 30 years of MA training, sparring full contact with everyone willing who came through the door.

Liokault

2,837 posts

213 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Emanresu said:
AdamIndy said:
Emanresu said:
Everyone is hard until they get hit between the eyes with a claw hammer
laughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

I laughed way too much at that!
True story - going back maybe 30 years, there used to be a guy in my local village back home. Always told everyone in the bar how he was the hardest bare knuckle boxer in Ireland and to be fair, he was pretty hard. Anyway, he was telling everyone in the bar again one night when another guy decided he had had enough. He walked out to the van, got a claw hammer and stuck it in the side of the hard mans head. To this day, he is unable to string a full sentence together without slurring his words. Just sits on the street corner in his own piss drinking tins of special. Sad really but a lot to be learned from the story. No matter how hard you are or how hard you think you are, if you advertise it, there will always be someone bigger or crazier to come along and knock your bks in.
Funny you should post that. I was googling for a story that happened probably 25 years ago, guy called Alfie Lweis (Google him, he is very very good) got into a road rage incident. Other guy gets out of his car with a claw hammer....Mr Lweis hits him first, guy dies. It's a story I read/heard probably before I had Internet forums and I can't find any info online to back it up.

Centurion07

10,381 posts

246 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Having martial arts training is like having a superpower vs a civilian. Apparently.

eltax91

9,842 posts

205 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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A guy I went to uni with is a black belt 2nd Dan. He's a very slight and slim fella. He showed us a few moves once whilst pissed in a bar. Then he said to the big rugby lad in the group 'come on then come at me'

Now this is hardly the acid test as we were all pissed. But it wasn't anything at all to do with his skill or strength, it was all speed. He had rugby guy on the floor in a locked position hold in seconds with about 3 or 4 moves.

Whenever there has been trouble on nights out, you get the lads standing behind him as 'he's handy' but in reality the MA taught him discipline to the point of extreme. I don't think he would ever use it in anger unless he or someone close was in mortal danger.

Tony Starks

2,089 posts

211 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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Liokault said:
99% of Martial arts guy are crap in a real fight. I give you wing chun wars: https://youtu.be/979JwlCUBdI

Two wing chun "masters", one of whom billed himself as the best street fighter in the world find that in reality, they are just a bit silly.


But then, then you get stone cold killers who could walk through a small group of people KO'ing more or less at wil. I have met and trained with a few of these. I don't think you can train what they have.


Source: comming up for 30 years of MA training, sparring full contact with everyone willing who came through the door.
Exactly this, it's not the dog in the fight, etc.

I did MA for 10 years and am not a fighter. So I knew most people could beat me. It was more for the art I did it.

Like many things in life, some people are just natural born fighters.

Brigand

2,544 posts

168 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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I don't care what colour your belt is, one kick in the 'nads and you're going down.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

278 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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it all depends on who dominates the stairs.