Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?
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If they have been taught well, and have trained hard then you probably wouldn't want to try your luck with them.
My Sensi back from when I did Shotokan at Uni got 'jumped' by two guys at his hall of residence, he had a broken foot at the time, and the two blokes where both armed, one with a baseball bat, one with a bottle.
He had both on the floor within seconds, screaming for the police (which when you think about it is quite funny) ... I believe one of them needed hospital treatment.
My MMA mate from where I train now, 1st Dan black belt, was jumped by four guys when he was walking home from a friends a few weeks back. They probably regretted their decision when he left all 4 on the ground. He did report his jaw was still sore, so I'm guessing at least one managed to hit him.
Considering my current instructor - you probably wouldn't come off too well. He's frighteningly fast and accurate, and packs a punch that would probably knock you into next week.
My Sensi back from when I did Shotokan at Uni got 'jumped' by two guys at his hall of residence, he had a broken foot at the time, and the two blokes where both armed, one with a baseball bat, one with a bottle.
He had both on the floor within seconds, screaming for the police (which when you think about it is quite funny) ... I believe one of them needed hospital treatment.
My MMA mate from where I train now, 1st Dan black belt, was jumped by four guys when he was walking home from a friends a few weeks back. They probably regretted their decision when he left all 4 on the ground. He did report his jaw was still sore, so I'm guessing at least one managed to hit him.
Considering my current instructor - you probably wouldn't come off too well. He's frighteningly fast and accurate, and packs a punch that would probably knock you into next week.
Tony Starks said:
Exactly this, it's not the dog in the fight, etc.
I did MA for 10 years and am not a fighter. So I knew most people could beat me. It was more for the art I did it.
Like many things in life, some people are just natural born fighters.
I did 2xMAs for 9years. Great for fitness and discipline. I did MA for 10 years and am not a fighter. So I knew most people could beat me. It was more for the art I did it.
Like many things in life, some people are just natural born fighters.
My son is going to learn boxing and Aikido. No kicking-stuff.
I just don't think it's needed. If you are ever in a bad situation it's doubtful that you'd have a a sparring area/mat/large circular MA thing etc for you to size up. Saying all this how many times in your life do you actually need fighting skills? I've managed to avoid/gauge/talk out situations since I was a teen.
Why are people obsessed with MMA? Is it like the US and their guns? Paranoia about what 'might' happen?
Why are people obsessed with MMA? Is it like the US and their guns? Paranoia about what 'might' happen?
Brigand said:
I don't care what colour your belt is, one kick in the 'nads and you're going down.
https://youtu.be/gyXhysmMNhElord trumpton said:
Some friend from the past on FB has started his own Karate school and as part of his promotion he includes clips of sparring etc
To me, it just looks like choreographed fighting - they fight in a certain way with certain moves and kicks etc; react to the opponent based on how they read their moves...
How would these black belts fare in the real world against a real hard man? How would they handle a flurry of wild punches, headbutts and wrestling?
Don't know. But one of my friends was on the British TaekwonDo team. We got into some bother in Nottingham one night and I found out that his superb level of fitness allowed him to run much faster than me.To me, it just looks like choreographed fighting - they fight in a certain way with certain moves and kicks etc; react to the opponent based on how they read their moves...
How would these black belts fare in the real world against a real hard man? How would they handle a flurry of wild punches, headbutts and wrestling?
Did karate for about 10 years and got to a reasonable competition level in age-grade semi-contact competitions.
I don't think anyone I crossed paths with was particularly useful in a street brawl, but considerably more useful than if they'd never picked up a MA. And that's all my parents wanted from it, because kids don't get much chance to swing punches at each other these days without someone calling it bullying.
I don't think anyone I crossed paths with was particularly useful in a street brawl, but considerably more useful than if they'd never picked up a MA. And that's all my parents wanted from it, because kids don't get much chance to swing punches at each other these days without someone calling it bullying.
I seem to remember seeing a documentary type thing about Bruce Lee many years ago. An interviewer asked him what he would if he was ever in a street fight. He basically said he wouldnt bother with any of this spinning kick/theatrical stuff. He would get in close, quick headbutt and follow up with some fast jabs/punches. Job done.
13m said:
Don't know. But one of my friends was on the British TaekwonDo team. We got into some bother in Nottingham one night and I found out that his superb level of fitness allowed him to run much faster than me.
LOL.. True but to outrun the predator you don't need to be the fastest, you need to be at least second slowest..peterperkins said:
13m said:
Don't know. But one of my friends was on the British TaekwonDo team. We got into some bother in Nottingham one night and I found out that his superb level of fitness allowed him to run much faster than me.
LOL.. True but to outrun the predator you don't need to be the fastest, you need to be at least second slowest..Guy taking his shoes off when being confronted by a bear. Friend says "you can't outrun a bear".
Guy replies :"I don't need to outrun the bear. I just need to outrun you".
Edited by Cudd Wudd on Sunday 19th March 08:53
peterperkins said:
13m said:
Don't know. But one of my friends was on the British TaekwonDo team. We got into some bother in Nottingham one night and I found out that his superb level of fitness allowed him to run much faster than me.
LOL.. True but to outrun the predator you don't need to be the fastest, you need to be at least second slowest..Brigand said:
I don't care what colour your belt is, one kick in the 'nads and you're going down.
You won't be able to hit a black belt in the nads anyway, they would see that attempt from miles away.By brother in law is 2nd Dan Nimpo (sort of a jiu jutsu thing) 1.70 cm tall tops, probably the nicest man I ever met, but hard as a f
king rock. Been to a few of his competitions and the speed of the moves are just insane, I reckon it won't matter what you bring against a guy like that, if he can see you coming, you're going down..hard.PowerslideSWE said:
Brigand said:
I don't care what colour your belt is, one kick in the 'nads and you're going down.
You won't be able to hit a black belt in the nads anyway, they would see that attempt from miles away.By brother in law is 2nd Dan Nimpo (sort of a jiu jutsu thing) 1.70 cm tall tops, probably the nicest man I ever met, but hard as a f
king rock. Been to a few of his competitions and the speed of the moves are just insane, I reckon it won't matter what you bring against a guy like that, if he can see you coming, you're going down..hard.I don't think it makes a lot of difference how much training you have had Until you have had a few real fights, with proper aggressive opponents, arse holes in pubs or just street 'hard cases' you will have no real idea how you will fair in a proper fight.
I used to know a guy who did MMA years ago, he had trained in Thailand, but he still got nervous and trembly weak legs before fights. He was scared every time despite having loads of skills and confidence. Experience is as important as training I would say.
I did boxing when I was many many years younger, and it does give you a solid built-in idea how to automatically throw punches and defend, but being faced with a couple of ugly looking pricks down a back street feels a bit different than facing a guy in a ring, with a ref and people watching.
I used to know a guy who did MMA years ago, he had trained in Thailand, but he still got nervous and trembly weak legs before fights. He was scared every time despite having loads of skills and confidence. Experience is as important as training I would say.
I did boxing when I was many many years younger, and it does give you a solid built-in idea how to automatically throw punches and defend, but being faced with a couple of ugly looking pricks down a back street feels a bit different than facing a guy in a ring, with a ref and people watching.
Properly disciplined in most martial arts means you would avoid a brawl.
My son is a 3rd dan Taekwondo, and does MMA, he is also 6ft 4. He does get into fights even though he goes to some pretty rough music venues. He can usually diffuses situation, if not, he can move pretty fast so for you average thug actually landing a punch is unlikely.
First thing he was taught when he started tkd at 8 years old, was if you can, run away rather than fight.
My son is a 3rd dan Taekwondo, and does MMA, he is also 6ft 4. He does get into fights even though he goes to some pretty rough music venues. He can usually diffuses situation, if not, he can move pretty fast so for you average thug actually landing a punch is unlikely.
First thing he was taught when he started tkd at 8 years old, was if you can, run away rather than fight.
Obviously outside of a sports centre or gym- avoid trouble in the first place, talk your way out of it because a knife will be in its target 2-3times before you show your kicking and grappling skills.
The hardest person won't always have trained in a gym. He'll carry a knife. Why posture, act tough? Just laugh and live.
The hardest person won't always have trained in a gym. He'll carry a knife. Why posture, act tough? Just laugh and live.
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