Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?
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tuscaneer said:
Bandit110 said:
Just thought I'd drop my favourite clip right here, If I'm ever approached then this will be in my mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhr5fz6C3g&in...
nice ko that, but that guy on the floor could easily have died. in the right or in the wrong if that had gone badly one guy would be dead for nothing and another guy would be looking at decades in prison..........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhr5fz6C3g&in...
i used to work with a guy who's son was eating food in a pub with his missus and was goaded and attacked by a pissed up bloke. he had enough then popped him. guy hit his head on a bar stool and died...the guy who was minding his own business ended up going to prison and the antagonist died as a result of beeing pissed and lairy...a
hole?? yes...deserved to die??..no...2 lives ruined for nothing
My favourite below. For no other reason than the stupidity of starting something with somebody called 'Champ'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHm31XliRgY
As stated earlier Geoff Thompson is pretty much the go to guy on this, along with Rory Miller.
One of my Dads best mates was British champion in some form of martial arts during the 80s. He's a lovely bloke; really calm and friendly and you'd never guess his history. He is about 5'7" and probably 10 stone wet through!
My Dad was in the Police for 30 years, and once ended up in a monster brawl in Stratford Upon Avon town centre where the Police were hugely outnumbered, and he said it was getting quite nasty. Out of nowhere, my Dads mate appeared and started knocking blokes out left right and centre with seemingly no effort at all. To this day, my Dad says he would want him by his side in a fight situation over anyone else he knows.
In my opinion the only people on par with serious martial artists are special forces/SAS type soldiers.
My Dad was in the Police for 30 years, and once ended up in a monster brawl in Stratford Upon Avon town centre where the Police were hugely outnumbered, and he said it was getting quite nasty. Out of nowhere, my Dads mate appeared and started knocking blokes out left right and centre with seemingly no effort at all. To this day, my Dad says he would want him by his side in a fight situation over anyone else he knows.
In my opinion the only people on par with serious martial artists are special forces/SAS type soldiers.
ben5575 said:
Pretty much sums it up for me.
My favourite below. For no other reason than the stupidity of starting something with somebody called 'Champ'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHm31XliRgY
As stated earlier Geoff Thompson is pretty much the go to guy on this, along with Rory Miller.
seen that one beforeMy favourite below. For no other reason than the stupidity of starting something with somebody called 'Champ'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHm31XliRgY
As stated earlier Geoff Thompson is pretty much the go to guy on this, along with Rory Miller.
there was no way that posturing guy was gonna see that jab coming and the cross just rubber stamped it....Meanwhile in Russia. Watch out for the tooth flying out of the second chump 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haWOszC-at8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haWOszC-at8
tuscaneer said:
Hoofy said:
Interesting that you post this. I mainly did traditional kung fu stuff as a teen and young adult, all flashy kicks and so on at distance, useless in the street obviously, but a lot of fun, then started focusing on more street oriented stuff - hated it at first, everyone in your personal space. You get used to it, mind, or you start fighting like a hairdresser.
my personal experience with the guys i was training with was that their boxing was lacking so yeah, force me to get on the floor and then get me to try to hip escape fine.....but now try to get me to the ground while i'm popping jabs and pivoting hooks at their head while side stepping them rushing in and it was a different story.....arms length distance control is key for me but if i have to stop throwing punches and voluntarily get on the floor to allow someone to try and get me in an arm bar or americana....well, what's the point really??....for me and my experiences at least.obviously i was a raw novice at the rolling but i just didn't get the satisfaction from it like i do with a good technical spar in boxing which is why every time i've tried something different i ultimately always go back to what i know
Turkish91 said:
One of my Dads best mates was British champion in some form of martial arts during the 80s. He's a lovely bloke; really calm and friendly and you'd never guess his history. He is about 5'7" and probably 10 stone wet through!
My Dad was in the Police for 30 years, and once ended up in a monster brawl in Stratford Upon Avon town centre where the Police were hugely outnumbered, and he said it was getting quite nasty. Out of nowhere, my Dads mate appeared and started knocking blokes out left right and centre with seemingly no effort at all. To this day, my Dad says he would want him by his side in a fight situation over anyone else he knows.
In my opinion the only people on par with serious martial artists are special forces/SAS type soldiers.
I did a paper round at a newsagents and the new owner was touted as being ex special forces, met him and expected some a scary looking ex soldier, he was a tiny, rather pathetic guy, every inch the newsagent, until the local drunk got his dick out to urinate in the shop as we waited for our papers, he vaulted the counter and dragged the much bigger guy out with a power, speed and economy of movement I have never seen, my stupid 14 year old self had though "Ex SAS, bMy Dad was in the Police for 30 years, and once ended up in a monster brawl in Stratford Upon Avon town centre where the Police were hugely outnumbered, and he said it was getting quite nasty. Out of nowhere, my Dads mate appeared and started knocking blokes out left right and centre with seemingly no effort at all. To this day, my Dad says he would want him by his side in a fight situation over anyone else he knows.
In my opinion the only people on par with serious martial artists are special forces/SAS type soldiers.
ks, I could take this guy in a scrap", er, no I couldnt.I think everyone expects Marines/SAS or whatever to be massive hulking types, that doesnt seem to be the case, there was a guy on here that couldnt get in as he was too heavy due to too much muscle, as the end of the day, overweight is overweight however it is composed, enough muscle to have plenty of strength to do the job, in conjunction with training, but enough muscle to bench 200 kilos, completely superfluous and you have to lump it round with you the rest of the time.
turbobloke said:
At one time I knew where to strike and the technique to use in order to put the blade of a sword through two major arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, all without completely severing the head
Impressive, but I know where to strike and the technique to use to put the blade of a sword through 6 arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, AND completely sever the head!Where: The 'neck', as it's known in ancient Japan
Technique: 'f
king hard with a sharp sword', as it's known in ancient Japan>experiences Quickening<
turbobloke said:
. At one time I knew where to strike and the technique to use in order to put the blade of a sword through two major arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, all without completely severing the head though allegedly it would droop quite a bit .
I wish Rod Rammage was still on ph. He loved a keyboard-carridine. He would say something like:
At one time, yeah.
Mad how you can know all that stuff and then just forget it. You know, threading a sword through someone's body to pop that organ, slice that vein, and so on. Was it left left right up right down, or left left up right down left up? f
king hell if you took a wrong turn you could end up slicing a loaf and spearing a tangerine. turbobloke said:
Nor did the point of my post have anything to do with billy big bks bragging, quite the opposite, and I've already acknowledged that the art I learned was almost totally useless in street fights. Even so I enjoyed it at the time.
I know mate, I have the same issue. It is really really hard being exceptionally heroic isn't it? You just cant have a normal conversation without people thinking you are being a billy big bks bragging, quite the opposite, and I've already acknowledged that the art I learned was almost totally useless in street fights. Even so I enjoyed it at the time.ks.Once, I was self trained in the art of killing 40 men without them noticing and vanishing without trace or evidence. Once I had taught myself this I realise I had become quite probably the most dangerous man in the world and could probably have had any woman I wanted if she knew about it.
Problem is, it's completely impractical because almost never do you have 40 people that you want to kill all at once. So even though I was totally amazing on paper, I have to stress that I was only theoretically the greatest man alive and because it wasn't tested scientifically then one could argue I was ordinary. I wasn't ordinary of course, but you get what I mean? Basically I mean I am not boasting and saying "I am ordinary" a lot. But you did see I said I could do all that stuff yeah?
Hoofy said:
I think if you stick with it for longer you'd probably work out a strategy. Grappling on the ground is about figuring what the guy is trying to do or applying a counter to what he's already done.
I had a strategy.....punch them in the face every time they tried to get a grip of me
....seriously though....not my bag....I just wasn't interested enough in the art to care...whereas boxing took over my combat art needs 23 years ago and has remained a constant since....you should see my memorabilia collection!!!....I fkin love it😁yonex said:
turbobloke said:
At one time I knew where to strike and the technique to use in order to put the blade of a sword through two major arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, all without completely severing the head.
Are you available for BBQ's?No matter, I get it, totally get it. Having an innate urge to learn a martial art such as karate and spending time acquiring the relevant fitness, knowledge and skills, that's commendable and worthy of respect. Finding yourself on the receiving end of samurai sword tuition (one aspect of which I accurately described both in terms of nature and lack of practical application) and devoting time to it purely as a result of wanting to experience something new (Aikido Te) while getting fit at the same time, that's totally worthy of pisstakes as per this thread. It's obvious enough, no explanation is needed. Onwards and sideways!
turbobloke said:
yonex said:
turbobloke said:
At one time I knew where to strike and the technique to use in order to put the blade of a sword through two major arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, all without completely severing the head.
Are you available for BBQ's?No matter, I get it, totally get it. Having an innate urge to learn a martial art such as karate and spending time acquiring the relevant fitness, knowledge and skills, that's commendable and worthy of respect. Finding yourself on the receiving end of samurai sword tuition (one aspect of which I accurately described both in terms of nature and lack of practical application) and devoting time to it purely as a result of wanting to experience something new (Aikido Te) while getting fit at the same time, that's totally worthy of pisstakes as per this thread. It's obvious enough, no explanation is needed. Onwards and sideways!
turbobloke said:
yonex said:
turbobloke said:
At one time I knew where to strike and the technique to use in order to put the blade of a sword through two major arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, all without completely severing the head.
Are you available for BBQ's?No matter, I get it, totally get it. Having an innate urge to learn a martial art such as karate and spending time acquiring the relevant fitness, knowledge and skills, that's commendable and worthy of respect. Finding yourself on the receiving end of samurai sword tuition (one aspect of which I accurately described both in terms of nature and lack of practical application) and devoting time to it purely as a result of wanting to experience something new (Aikido Te) while getting fit at the same time, that's totally worthy of pisstakes as per this thread. It's obvious enough, no explanation is needed. Onwards and sideways!
Back in the eighties there was a fad in South Wales for Aikido and a couple of others that pass me by now. For some reason many of the devotees weren't the highly trained athlete type you'd expect, they were large red faced bald men with beer bellies and anger management issues. The sort now seen driving Mitsubishi L200 Warriors.
I remember a bunch of us sitting in a pub once stifling laughter as one of these chaps explained to a credulous barmaid "See, I 'as to 'ave my 'ands registered with the Police as lethal weapons like, if I was to 'it someone, well y'know".
Only one "weapon" in that room...
I remember a bunch of us sitting in a pub once stifling laughter as one of these chaps explained to a credulous barmaid "See, I 'as to 'ave my 'ands registered with the Police as lethal weapons like, if I was to 'it someone, well y'know".
Only one "weapon" in that room...
FredClogs said:
turbobloke said:
yonex said:
turbobloke said:
At one time I knew where to strike and the technique to use in order to put the blade of a sword through two major arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, all without completely severing the head.
Are you available for BBQ's?No matter, I get it, totally get it. Having an innate urge to learn a martial art such as karate and spending time acquiring the relevant fitness, knowledge and skills, that's commendable and worthy of respect. Finding yourself on the receiving end of samurai sword tuition (one aspect of which I accurately described both in terms of nature and lack of practical application) and devoting time to it purely as a result of wanting to experience something new (Aikido Te) while getting fit at the same time, that's totally worthy of pisstakes as per this thread. It's obvious enough, no explanation is needed. Onwards and sideways!
The surprise of finding out that the bushido MA school I joined for Aikido Te training also incorporated samurai sword training (no real practical application as I already pointed out, but very different and I enjoyed it) is causing some tittering in the ranks, which is cool.
The cut I described - accurately - which is being re-quoted out of context was just one part of it. I've refrained from mentioning others as just the one example has proved too much for several PHers already! After all, formal training in combat use of a samurai sword is hardly likely to include peeling fruit.
As per my previous post, it's a surprise to me that with PH having such well-populated forums, nobody else appears to have experience of bushido schools and the samurai sword training they offer(ed) alongside their Karate and Aikido Te lessons. What such a sword can do in combat can't be that surprising surely, even to those who are leading the comedy charge.
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