Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?
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DoubleSix said:
Ayahuasca said:
Pretty ambitious to try to deploy a spinning back kick in a street fight!
This is why a high kick is not a good idea imho.
The guy in black shorts was more intelligent - low push kicks to maintain distance, and low side kicks to the leg.
Your use of the word 'deploy' is incredibly generous I must say...This is why a high kick is not a good idea imho.
The guy in black shorts was more intelligent - low push kicks to maintain distance, and low side kicks to the leg.
If being generous, the clip does sort of demonstrate the benefit of using kicks (the guy in black) the keep the other guy out of punching range.
dfen5 said:
Spent yesterday training with a grand master. In his case, yes is definitely the answer.
Ref' the above video, no.
Anyone throwing any kind of kick above the knee can get it caught, especially if they're not 100% committed to it. "grand master" or not, whatever that means.Ref' the above video, no.
That guys spinning round house back kick thing was not that terrible, I wish still had that dexterity, it was a stupid thing to do but so is having a scrap with a stranger on a motorway.
Yet another of my buddies from MMA got attacked last night, walking home from work, three lads jumped him intending it would seem to steal his bag.
He successfully fought them off.
Previously, a few weeks back, one of the others was jumped by four blokes whilst walking home at night from a mates. He left all four on the ground, probably wishing they hadn't started on him.
Does martial arts work on the street, seems so ...
He successfully fought them off.
Previously, a few weeks back, one of the others was jumped by four blokes whilst walking home at night from a mates. He left all four on the ground, probably wishing they hadn't started on him.
Does martial arts work on the street, seems so ...
ApOrbital said:
Your mates are a bit unlucky.
I am 42, I have visited some dodgy areas in my years, I go out at night, I go down dark alleys, I have stumbled home pissed out of my head (ripe for being robbed or having some idiot trying to start on me), I have never once been threatened or attacked.People who seem to get into fights quite often I think must do something to initiate it.
HTP99 said:
I am 42, I have visited some dodgy areas in my years, I go out at night, I go down dark alleys, I have stumbled home pissed out of my head (ripe for being robbed or having some idiot trying to start on me), I have never once been threatened or attacked.
People who seem to get into fights quite often I think must do something to initiate it.
Yep 100% agree, when I did martial arts for a few years I found I was getting into more trouble then when I wasn't, perhaps it's your mentality, perhaps you project something which is picked up on by others seeking violence or perhaps you think you can take people on so you seek confrontation rather than avoid it. Whatever it is it's definitely a real thing and I've heard many other people say the same thing so it's not only me. People who seem to get into fights quite often I think must do something to initiate it.
Also all this talk about my instructor\club teaches me to avoid confrontations is just BS to try to show a "sensitive side" to MA and not make people think every person who goes is a violent psychopath. If you didn't think you'd ever get to use it, why would you spend hours of your life learning it?
Edited by Guvernator on Friday 2nd June 10:44
Guvernator said:
If you didn't think you'd ever get to use it, why would you spend hours of your life learning it?
I enjoy punching stuff, especially people, and rolling around on the floor hugging sweaty men...Edited by Guvernator on Friday 2nd June 10:44
Obvs. And I'm not into getting arrested or badly hurt or indeed anything uncontrolled or unfriendly.
It's sport dude. Why would anyone enjoy chucking and egg around or kicking a pigs bladder across the village green?
Even the most trad, faux eastern mysticism MAs are incredibly physically taxing and that in itself is a form of sport. Recreational physical activity for the sake of changing the chemical makeup of your brain so as to feel pleasure...
i used to teach karate and hold belts in 2 styles. It kind of depends upon the style in question, as some are strong and some are agile. They all claim to be proficient in and help the proponent hold their own in a fight or against skilled and unskilled opponents... but in reality the former are more ceremonial and less practical. Even the latter are usurped by the more hybrid and modern martial arts.
FredClogs said:
I enjoy punching stuff, especially people, and rolling around on the floor hugging sweaty men...
Obvs. And I'm not into getting arrested or badly hurt or indeed anything uncontrolled or unfriendly.
It's sport dude. Why would anyone enjoy chucking and egg around or kicking a pigs bladder across the village green?
Even the most trad, faux eastern mysticism MAs are incredibly physically taxing and that in itself is a form of sport. Recreational physical activity for the sake of changing the chemical makeup of your brain so as to feel pleasure...
Yes keeping fit is certainly one valid reason but you could just as easily keep fit by running, going to the gym, playing tennis or hundreds of other sports so why choose one that teaches you how to beat people up? I'm not saying this applies to everyone but far too many people hide behind the "I do it for fitness" line, just admit you want to be able to kickass like Bruce Lee. Obvs. And I'm not into getting arrested or badly hurt or indeed anything uncontrolled or unfriendly.
It's sport dude. Why would anyone enjoy chucking and egg around or kicking a pigs bladder across the village green?
Even the most trad, faux eastern mysticism MAs are incredibly physically taxing and that in itself is a form of sport. Recreational physical activity for the sake of changing the chemical makeup of your brain so as to feel pleasure...
Guvernator said:
If you didn't think you'd ever get to use it, why would you spend hours of your life learning it?
Lots of reasons, I used to teach (mainly kids, occasionally the adults) & never used anything I learned in an aggressive manner. I was attacked by 3 people on 2 separate occasions, it certainly aided me on both occasions & also twice more when pissed up knobheads decided to have a go.Edited by Guvernator on Friday 2nd June 10:44
Being able to read a person & know whats coming, then have the speed (through training) to avoid that attack is very useful!
As somebody else has said, it can give you a confidence that deters many would be aggressors, they go in search of easier targets, it can also raise your awareness so you spot trouble & get away before it starts.
None of this is why I trained though, I enjoyed the physical challenge & the discipline. We trained in a traditional way, very hard training & a strong focus on the spiritual side, should invite quite a lot of piss taking now...
HTP99 said:
ApOrbital said:
Your mates are a bit unlucky.
I am 42, I have visited some dodgy areas in my years, I go out at night, I go down dark alleys, I have stumbled home pissed out of my head (ripe for being robbed or having some idiot trying to start on me), I have never once been threatened or attacked.People who seem to get into fights quite often I think must do something to initiate it.
Guvernator said:
If you didn't think you'd ever get to use it, why would you spend hours of your life learning it?
Because you have to learn it rather than simply do it. There is the physical side and then there is the mental side to it. It is about having the discipline to keep working for a long time to make gradual and largely imperceptible gains in your skill. You don't get to score goals and win matches (unless you fight of course) so there is no instant gratification to it.Edited by Guvernator on Friday 2nd June 10:44
As a result most people give up. Some keep at it and derive a lot of pleasure from being good at something. Not really any different from learning an instrument or a language. The fact that you never have to use it is irrelevant. It's that you have challenged yourself and the personal strength you derive from that. More so as you've seen so many other people give up along the way. That's why you can put your ego to one side and no longer feel the need to prove yourself in confrontations. You become a lot calmer as a result hence the cliche about martial artists being generally quiet people.
The added bonus is that you get fit.
The issue with attracting agro when you're doing MA is when you're at that 2/3/4 year stage where you think you know it all but don't, yet feel the need to test it/yourself. You can throw a punch or a kick but you have to think about it first rather than do it instinctively. To strangle the above instrument analogy, you can play the scales and play a learned piece of music but you can't compose or jam with your mates.
Plus I like hitting people
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