Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?

Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?

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V8Matthew

2,675 posts

165 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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If I had to put money down on a fight between a non-contact black belt and somebody who was a bit tasty in a bar fight, it would be the brawler all day. Two hours a week line dancing in your pyjamas is not going to do much against someone who knows how to throw a solid punch and doesn't mind recieving a few digs in the process.

The odds would change dramatically though if you introduced full-contact karate, kickboxing or jiu-jitsu.

Edited by V8Matthew on Sunday 19th March 11:00

HTP99

22,442 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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V8Matthew said:
If I had to put money down on a fight between a non-contact black belt and somebody who was a bit tasty in a bar fight, it would be the brawler all day. Two hours a week line dancing in your pyjamas is not going to do much against someone who knows how to throw a solid punch and doesn't mind recieving a few digs in the process.

The odds would change dramatically though if you introduced full-contact karate, kickboxing or jiu-jitsu.

Edited by V8Matthew on Sunday 19th March 11:00
The bold bit really made me laugh.

My best mate from school was in to his MMA etc, he had a short fuse and was always looking for trouble, he was quite handy though.

Grumpy old git

368 posts

186 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGL_vNtelrM NSFW some bad language in this but very relevant

98elise

26,366 posts

160 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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My sister is a black belt, trained from an early age.

At Uni she was atacked in the street by a bloke, the bloke came of worse. Off the back of that she joined the specials, and is now a full time copper. As a copper she's had to use it a few times when drunks turn violent.

I don't think it turns you into a hardman, but it can certainly help.

rolex

3,110 posts

257 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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HTP99 said:
V8Matthew said:
If I had to put money down on a fight between a non-contact black belt and somebody who was a bit tasty in a bar fight, it would be the brawler all day. Two hours a week line dancing in your pyjamas is not going to do much against someone who knows how to throw a solid punch and doesn't mind recieving a few digs in the process.
That definitely needs to go on the insult thread biggrin

TwigtheWonderkid

43,246 posts

149 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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blueg33 said:
even though he goes to some pretty rough music venues.
That ignores my first law of defence...don't be there.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

278 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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The biggest drawback of the Karate, Judo, BJJ, TKD, etc martial artist is that his is a 'sport' and he probably won't have experienced any proper fighting or true aggression.

Even UFC and MMA is controlled, and some martial art techniques like throat punches, eye gouges, elbow strikes, etc are not allowed. Plus they do it on a nice soft surface that lends itself to ground stuff, and they can take their time in grappling knowing that nobody else is going to come running up to kick them in the head.

Some martial arts - Krav Maga, Wing Chun and Combat Hapkido for example - are not sports because some of their techniques are literally lethal, or cause serious injury. Their drawback however is that because they are lethal, or can cause serious injury, they are not practiced for real.





How many martial artists does it take to change a lightbulb?

100.

1 to change the lightbulb and 99 to point out the deficiencies in your lightbulb, the advantages of their lightbulb, and that your lightbulb wouldn't work 'on the street'.

Glasgowrob

3,232 posts

120 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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Brigand said:
I don't care what colour your belt is, one kick in the 'nads and you're going down.
not always true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_3bIni52I

blueg33

35,574 posts

223 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
blueg33 said:
even though he goes to some pretty rough music venues.
That ignores my first law of defence...don't be there.
He is often performing.....

bloomen

6,845 posts

158 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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Wot no 'google me, bh' video?

I remember friend at school spending 6-9 hour stretches discussing how unbelievably 'hard' certain people were. Pathetic.

turbobloke

103,739 posts

259 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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Talking of videos, this infamous example has probably been posted earlier but never mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE2PxkSJW7M

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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turbobloke said:
Talking of videos, this infamous example has probably been posted earlier but never mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE2PxkSJW7M
rofl

He crawls out of his garden, with the neighbourhood scalllies cackling in the background.

ApOrbital

9,939 posts

117 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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HTP99 said:
V8Matthew said:
If I had to put money down on a fight between a non-contact black belt and somebody who was a bit tasty in a bar fight, it would be the brawler all day. Two hours a week line dancing in your pyjamas is not going to do much against someone who knows how to throw a solid punch and doesn't mind recieving a few digs in the process.

The odds would change dramatically though if you introduced full-contact karate, kickboxing or jiu-jitsu.

Edited by V8Matthew on Sunday 19th March 11:00
The bold bit really made me laugh.

My best mate from school was in to his MMA etc, he had a short fuse and was always looking for trouble, he was quite handy though.
Same here still laughing like a loon.

dazzaturbo

27 posts

190 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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My experience of this sort of thing through training and sparing hard with a genuinely tough lad and training at a well regarded gym with an ex ufc fighter as the instructor is that most things will help as long as it's practiced in a live situation

As long as you spar so your used to punches/kicks/takedowns coming is ALWAYS an advantage

My thoughts on most martial arts I can think of

Muay Thai- probably the most effective in the real world
Boxing- also very effective
Karate- unless it's the full contact type like Steven Thompson then useless
Bjj- if there is only one person involved this is VERY effective (if you've ever rolled with someone good you'd understand)
Aikido- complete waste of time
Krav Maga- effective but doing some of the moves your probably looking at jail time


Overall they should all help because you tend to be a bit fitter than the average man smile


anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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Grumpy old git said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGL_vNtelrM NSFW some bad language in this but very relevant
laughlaughlaughlaugh

Class

stargazer30

1,582 posts

165 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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I started learning Karate about a 18 months ago. I'm about half way to black belt now. If anything its taught me how much of a crap fighter I am. I'd always try and avoid a fight now, even knowing what I know. It takes years of disciplined practice to pull off even the more basic karate moves with the speed, power and precision needed to be effective in a real fight. When you can though, its scary and brilliant all in one.

Don't regret learning it one bit though.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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stargazer30 said:
I started learning Karate about a 18 months ago. I'm about half way to black belt now. If anything its taught me how much of a crap fighter I am. I'd always try and avoid a fight now, even knowing what I know. It takes years of disciplined practice to pull off even the more basic karate moves with the speed, power and precision needed to be effective in a real fight. When you can though, its scary and brilliant all in one.

Don't regret learning it one bit though.
18 years?

Amirhussain

11,486 posts

162 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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turbobloke said:
Talking of videos, this infamous example has probably been posted earlier but never mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE2PxkSJW7M
Haha I remember that rofl

Boring_Chris

2,348 posts

121 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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"I WANT TO SEE KEYS IN YOUR HAND, AND MAKE THEM COUNT!!!!"

HA!

Has that been posted yet?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,246 posts

149 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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blueg33 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
blueg33 said:
even though he goes to some pretty rough music venues.
That ignores my first law of defence...don't be there.
He is often performing.....
OK, I'll let him off.