Are you afraid of terrorism?
Discussion
swerni said:
We could look at the crusades,
Lets....
Dr. Bill Warner of the Center for the Study of Political Islam.
Fundamentalist Muslims are the problem and until, like Christianity has been forced to do in the last 50 years, it becomes a moderate religion, the whole religion is the problem cause and solution.
Disastrous said:
Rather than muddy the already confused thread about the London attacks, I thought it best to start afresh.
We were discussing this in the pub last night and there seemed to be a unanimous verdict that:
1). Terror attacks in the U.K. are rare
2). When they do occur, they're usually pretty s
t (as in, few casualties, badly planned etc etc)
3). We don't actually need to do anything more than we currently are doing
4). Our security forces are doing a pretty brilliant job of keeping us from harm
The general consensus was that loooooads of stuff we do day to day carries more risk (driving, for example) and that the vanishingly small risk of being caught up in a terror attack was essentially irrelevant.
Assuming you don't spend all day hiding, how do you mentally compute the proportionality of your approach to the threat?
Pretty much. We have professional people who are paid by the state to look after this kind of threat. As a result the threat to me is so small as to be insignificant, so things as they are are acceptable to me.We were discussing this in the pub last night and there seemed to be a unanimous verdict that:
1). Terror attacks in the U.K. are rare
2). When they do occur, they're usually pretty s
t (as in, few casualties, badly planned etc etc)3). We don't actually need to do anything more than we currently are doing
4). Our security forces are doing a pretty brilliant job of keeping us from harm
The general consensus was that loooooads of stuff we do day to day carries more risk (driving, for example) and that the vanishingly small risk of being caught up in a terror attack was essentially irrelevant.
Assuming you don't spend all day hiding, how do you mentally compute the proportionality of your approach to the threat?
Suicide, traffic, cancer, my diet, alcohol, petty thieves who want my phone or drunken t
ts on a night out are all more likely to kill or maim me and the odd random nutter who reads too much nutty stuff on the net is almost literally the least of my worries.Not afraid. The particular brand of terrorism we're seeing these days is perpetrated by useless, sub-human scum who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Not too keen on skyscraper living though - bit of risk mitigation coupled with severe vertigo.
That said, I agree with the poster above whose ugly mug is apparently relevant to the discussion. I don't allow trash in my house, so why would I accept or allow the worst kind of regressive cultural trash in society?
That said, I agree with the poster above whose ugly mug is apparently relevant to the discussion. I don't allow trash in my house, so why would I accept or allow the worst kind of regressive cultural trash in society?
MrBrightSi said:
fk you and your apologetics. That sick twisted religion and political ideology has caused problems the world over.
It's killed innocents of every colour and creed imaginable. It's destroyed beautiful pieces of history, it's cowed minorities and left them living in fear, it's demanded a parrallel legal system in countries that have done their very best to live side by side with it's adherents. What more do you fking want?
Ever since that sick warlord burst out of the Arabian peninsular the world has known too many ills because the Arabs had to get their version of the spaghetti monster.
You really are a pr1ck of the highest order. I did wonder why you were so wound up about the poor old Nazis still getting such a hard time Germany but this pretty much explains your political leanings..k you and your apologetics. That sick twisted religion and political ideology has caused problems the world over.It's killed innocents of every colour and creed imaginable. It's destroyed beautiful pieces of history, it's cowed minorities and left them living in fear, it's demanded a parrallel legal system in countries that have done their very best to live side by side with it's adherents. What more do you f
king want?Ever since that sick warlord burst out of the Arabian peninsular the world has known too many ills because the Arabs had to get their version of the spaghetti monster.
No, no. Don't you dare twist more of my posts. I had a hard time in Germany with their constant dragging up of their past, it was to the point of almost self harm. Young Germans must grow up in the shadow of Belsen and Dachau 3 generations post and with a heap of lessons learned, so many in fact that Germans without this very special Angst would still be a very open and progressive society.
The German people deserve Shlussstrich
The German people deserve Shlussstrich
straight dad said:
Should we cease calling it terrorism and recognise what is truly is, criminality? In answer to your question, I'm wary of anything that may cause me harm so try to take appropriate measures (mainly running away and screaming like a girl).
If we are going to call it anything we should call it what it is, war, and fight it appropriately; i.e. fight to get the backers of ISIS to the negotaiting table and have a plan and commitment to the peace afterwards. We should keep religion out of it though.To answer the question, I'm not frightened of terrorism as I understand how long the odds of being caught up in an attack are. What I am worried about is the lengths the American authorities (driven by the military - industrial complex) will go to and what Whitehall will do to keep on their coat tails.
Collectingbrass said:
If we are going to call it anything we should call it what it is, war, and fight it appropriately; i.e. fight to get the backers of ISIS to the negotaiting table and have a plan and commitment to the peace afterwards. We should keep religion out of it though.
The main backers of ISIS were the Saudis. We're currently selling them billions of pounds worth of weapons to bomb the Yemenis (amongst others).No, not afraid although, as already mentioned, I won't be popping to Syria for a jolly anytime soon.
If you're afraid of the current threat - i.e. one crazy bloke in a cheap SUV with a couple of knives - then you'd never step outside as said bloke could pop up anywhere. He does however cause comparably little damage and therefore the chances of him "getting" you are tiny.
If you're afraid of the current threat - i.e. one crazy bloke in a cheap SUV with a couple of knives - then you'd never step outside as said bloke could pop up anywhere. He does however cause comparably little damage and therefore the chances of him "getting" you are tiny.
MrBrightSi said:
fk you and your apologetics. That sick twisted religion and political ideology has caused problems the world over.
It's killed innocents of every colour and creed imaginable. It's destroyed beautiful pieces of history, it's cowed minorities and left them living in fear, it's demanded a parrallel legal system in countries that have done their very best to live side by side with it's adherents. What more do you fking want?
Ever since that sick warlord burst out of the Arabian peninsular the world has known too many ills because the Arabs had to get their version of the spaghetti monster.
Mate k you and your apologetics. That sick twisted religion and political ideology has caused problems the world over.It's killed innocents of every colour and creed imaginable. It's destroyed beautiful pieces of history, it's cowed minorities and left them living in fear, it's demanded a parrallel legal system in countries that have done their very best to live side by side with it's adherents. What more do you f
king want?Ever since that sick warlord burst out of the Arabian peninsular the world has known too many ills because the Arabs had to get their version of the spaghetti monster.
omg that iz harsh!!! I wuz gonna do u a good deal on an army surplus Hi-Lux LOL 
Srsly tho, basically we is lookin for blokes who are mainly a bit twisted and angry loners. the religion stuff we can work on after the interview yeah? Hit me up, standard virgins and snickers bars offer stands
we not that far apart rlly
Can't say I'm afraid, I live somewhere very unlikely to be a target and recent events haven't made me think twice about going to London, I have a couple of nights out there over the next few weeks and not going hasn't even entered my mind. It's a minority of people that pose a threat and our security forces do a great job.
I'll admit to being a bit sad that my daughter will be growing up in a seemingly less tolerant world than I have had, that's a more wide ranging thing than a few mentally ill people tainting a religion.
I'll admit to being a bit sad that my daughter will be growing up in a seemingly less tolerant world than I have had, that's a more wide ranging thing than a few mentally ill people tainting a religion.
The chances are vanishingly small, swimming pools and bee stings do for far more people every year.
The yanks don't have much sense of proportion, though do deliver on the irony, being only slightly more worried about terrorists than losing easy access to assault weapons...
Regarding Islam, while the threat of terrorist attacks can be over played it's more of a concern for woman and gays.
Honour crime: 11,000 UK cases recorded in five years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33424644
23% supported the introduction of sharia law in UK.
52% believe homosexuality should be illegal
39% agreed that wives should always obey their husbands
66% said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/br...
Christians have done some terrible things and there is much to criticize in the bible, but suggesting the teachings of the Koran and Hadith are comparable to the new testament or are compatible with Western laws and values shows a lack of understanding of the subject.
The most violent passage in the new testament was the cleansing of the temple where Jesus drove out the money changers and overturned their tables. By comparison there is a Wiki page dedicated to Mohammad's Military career.
There are many progressive and decent Muslims I've been friends many and dated one, but there are also a large number with very concerning views on women, "Kafir's", gays and people from a different school of Islam.
The strongest critic of Islam I know is a Muslim girl I lived with who went on to marry one of my friends, she said she could marry anyone but a Muslim. She felt they had awful views on women and she would be treated like a slave. I'm from Brighton and her family knew the families of the kids who went of to fight with Isis.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/31/br...
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14400768.Almost_30_...
It's certainly a minority but we do have many people in are society who are radicalized and want to do us harm. If our security services didn't do such an incredible job the situation would be far worse.
The yanks don't have much sense of proportion, though do deliver on the irony, being only slightly more worried about terrorists than losing easy access to assault weapons...
Regarding Islam, while the threat of terrorist attacks can be over played it's more of a concern for woman and gays.
Honour crime: 11,000 UK cases recorded in five years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33424644
23% supported the introduction of sharia law in UK.
52% believe homosexuality should be illegal
39% agreed that wives should always obey their husbands
66% said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/br...
Christians have done some terrible things and there is much to criticize in the bible, but suggesting the teachings of the Koran and Hadith are comparable to the new testament or are compatible with Western laws and values shows a lack of understanding of the subject.
The most violent passage in the new testament was the cleansing of the temple where Jesus drove out the money changers and overturned their tables. By comparison there is a Wiki page dedicated to Mohammad's Military career.
There are many progressive and decent Muslims I've been friends many and dated one, but there are also a large number with very concerning views on women, "Kafir's", gays and people from a different school of Islam.
The strongest critic of Islam I know is a Muslim girl I lived with who went on to marry one of my friends, she said she could marry anyone but a Muslim. She felt they had awful views on women and she would be treated like a slave. I'm from Brighton and her family knew the families of the kids who went of to fight with Isis.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/31/br...
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14400768.Almost_30_...
It's certainly a minority but we do have many people in are society who are radicalized and want to do us harm. If our security services didn't do such an incredible job the situation would be far worse.
Edited by CountZero23 on Tuesday 28th March 01:35
CountZero23 said:
The strongest critic of Islam I know is a Muslim girl I lived with who went on to marry one of my friends, she said she could marry anyone but a Muslim. She felt they had awful views on women and she would be treated like a slave. I'm from Brighton and her family knew the families of the kids who went of to fight with Isis.
It's certainly a minority but we do have many people in are society who are radicalized and want to do us harm. If our security services didn't do such an incredible job the situation would be far worse.
Conversely, marginalising Muslims and treating them all like potential terrorists ensures that more and more of them will end up getting radicalised in the short term. The kind of hardline kneejerk reactions advocated by the BNP et al are massively counterproductive.
There's no quick or easy fix to this, but right now the security services are the ones keeping everyone safe, and doing a great job of it too.
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